I am frustrated on so many levels. Pigheaded Men

[mike carey]

14 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

He’s messaged again…more pics. Is calling me ‘mate’. So it’s obviously not a gay sex situation he’s looking for 😂😂

Mate, you sound like a delightful person to engage with. It's clear you get off on chatting about sexy stuff! I'll now start talking with you!!

/s/

[Jarrod_Uncut]

9 hours ago, StLouisOct said:

Gad the irony! I thought Yukon21 provided some objective observation and I see his point that your attitude could turn off many clients. Your response inspired me to look up the definition of “pigheaded.” The dictionary tells me it means “stupidly obstinate” as in “I was too pigheaded  to listen.”

You’re making an assumption based on what someone else “thinks” they know. And they’re only getting that based on  how I’m describing it here. My attitude when talking about certain patterns in the initial stages of booking, doesn’t mean I have an attitude with clients in person or over phone. Neither of you seem be able to decipher the difference. Don’t assume. All my reviews on RentMen and RentMasseur prove the type of person I actually am. It’s when people refuse to apply consideration and respect, is where the connection deteriorates.
 

The only time I do have “an attitude” is when a potential client doesn’t read my ad, or says or does things that make arranging the appointment inefficient or difficult for me. If I’m asking someone details or to confirm a session, and they don’t respond, blow me off for hours/days: and then later call me trying to push me around to meet without having any notice, and assuming I can see them right away: Do you expect me not to feel any different? 

I mean, if you really want to go there: I will post tidbits of text messages where I have been polite and without an attitude, and you can see where they said something that wasn’t reciprocal. You give respect, you get respect. It’s not just give, give, give with nothing in return.

Edited August 9, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jamie21]

42 minutes ago, NJF said:

We may need a new subforum here just for you to post your writing. 

When I retire from sex work there’s a book to be written. Names and locations will be changed to protect the innocent…sorry, the not so innocent 🙂

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Matter of fact: I will go ahead and do exactly that. Let me post some texts. Because apparently, I’m the one with the attitude. So let’s just see (I’m the person either in blue or green on all messages).

⬆️  This person didn’t return the reply despite him sounding like he’d be serious after I answered a few questions earlier. Like really? You tell me this now: and he says out of price range, but I’d be spending at least $150 myself to accommodate the session because it’s 2 hours away and he wants me to host. Obviously is clueless. 
 

 

 

⬆️ Contact me over an hour later only to tell me, “thanks for trying?” He contacted me for a session and I asked for what I needed to accommodate. Why bother getting in touch if you not willing to confirm or be prepared to do what’s necessary? Interrupting my morning with no intent. Goodbye  🚮

 

 

⬆️ It’s a Saturday night at 12:30 a.m. Who said I’m even working? And then when I reply back later that afternoon, no response.

 

⬆️ Would require driving an hour to his hotel, in the middle of Illinois, which I didn’t have the info for. Why would I do that without a deposit? And he has a couple of bad reports too, which is why I was even more pressed to ask for a deposit. 
 

 

 

⬆️ Just more back and forth stuff. Didn’t end up meeting because he didn’t confirm and follow up as directed. Wasted his and my time bullshitting.

Edited August 9, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[coriolis888]

I think your communication with prospective clients is reasonable. 

However, I would not be comfortable giving an escort, that I did not previously meet, my photo and other personal data about me (as requested by you in one of your messages to a prospective client - see photo of your response below). 

What about anonymity?

Other than the above issue, I can commiserate with the difficult back and forth you must endure with prospective clients.

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

10 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

I think your communication with prospective clients is reasonable. 

However, I would not be comfortable giving an escort, that I did not previously meet, my photo and other personal data about me (as requested by you in one of your messages to a prospective client - see photo of your response below). 

What about anonymity?

Other than the above issue, I can commiserate with the difficult back and forth you must endure with prospective clients.

 

I’m happy you’re able to understand. However, anonymous is for bathhouses and forensic files/murdered mystery shows. I’m not trying to go that route, so I respectfully ask all clients for name, age and pic (which I say is optional OR). 
 

The last time I tried to meet someone somewhat anonymously (last week from A4A, going just by his number and screenname) from a website, he showed up and counted $26 in front of me (fortunately I asked for the fee upfront before anything started). When he offered to go to the ATM to get more, he never came back. Exactly why, I need to ask for deposits, name and basic details. It weeds out the bozos who are likely to try something devious or sneaky. They usually go silent and say nothing. 
 

At the end of the day, I realize the only fault I accept is keep allowing myself to engage with deadwoods. I’m not doing it anymore. I’m giving ONE CHANCE to follow directions, if they can’t be bothered: I can’t be bothered to exchange more than 1 message with them. 
 

This is why there needs to be an “Uber/Lyft” for providers. My own website is the closest I been able to get, but it would be great if RentMen made this happen. Nobody sits around and has long text chats with Uber drivers before they receive payment. Pay first, then you get all the details about car/driver/time of arrival etc etc.

 

Edited August 10, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[coriolis888]

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 
 

The last time I tried to meet someone somewhat anonymously (last week from A4A, going just by his number and screenname) from a website, he showed up and counted $26 in front of me (fortunately I asked for the fee upfront before anything started). When he offered to go to the ATM to get more, he never came back.

 

 

I do not believe in violence but in the case of the guy who tried to scam you by offering you $26, I think the guy needed a punch in the nose.  

His behavior was inexcusable.  

$26 dollars.  What an insult.  

It is no wonder you are so cautious about new clients.  

[coriolis888]

12 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

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This is why there needs to be an “Uber/Lyft” for providers. My own website is the closest I been able to get, but it would be great if RentMen made this happen. Nobody sits around and has long text chats with Uber drivers before they receive payment. Pay first, then you get all the details about car/driver/time of arrival etc etc.

 

This will not work.

I use Uber often in different foreign countries and occasionally in the U.S.  

In my Uber profile is my personal information including a credit card number and my personal address where I live.  My Uber file also includes a listing of the countless trips I made in the past, showing the pickup location and the drop off location and the amount of the trip.  

There is no way that I would allow rentmen to have access to the information contained in my Uber account.  

On the other hand, in the past, I sent an Uber to a provider's place which allowed me to retain my privacy.

 

[jeezifonly]

[+ Lucky]

Happy birthday @Jarrod_Uncut!

[MikeBiDude]

4 hours ago, Lucky said:

Happy birthday @Jarrod_Uncut!

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[italianboyph]

Trust me it happens all the time, I'll get no calls and then when I about to leave a city that's when I'll get a call. I always prefer advance just so I can plan out my day and have it a bit organized. I've had clients who with book an appointment with a date and time, and when it comes to that and it's confirmed I won't hear from them and my text will be ignored. After that usually just let it go, and line you I will put a note and of course I'll save the old text messages. Guys will flake and then keep contacting me over and over to meet and then flake again. The games are stupid, and the leaving people on read on RM when contacting is another thing. If you're gonna book an appointment and contact through RM then to flake, I think they should all know that we can see if they've read the message. 

[jeezifonly]

On 8/9/2022 at 2:02 PM, coriolis888 said:

I think your communication with prospective clients is reasonable. 

However, I would not be comfortable giving an escort, that I did not previously meet, my photo and other personal data about me (as requested by you in one of your messages to a prospective client - see photo of your response below). 

What about anonymity?

Other than the above issue, I can commiserate with the difficult back and forth you must endure with prospective clients.

 

He didn’t say anything about “when” in first text, it’s a very general question. I like it when an advertiser says a neighborhood or refers a known landmark in the profile: North of downtown, near the university, across from the park,  major intersection or highway within 5m drive.

I will not waste a moment of their time if general area outside my travel zone. If it’s not clear in the profile, it’s the first thing I ask as well after intro. If it doesn’t work, “Sorry, your location is outside my travel zone right now but I will try you again when closer . Thx”

So Jarrod, maybe be clearer in the profile, but as you travel a bit put it at the top of your questionnaire

“I’m seeing clients til (hr)in (neighborhood) today til (date)”

A bit of non-specific info you can provide to maybe prevent wasted time?  🥂

[Yukon21]

Agree with jeezifonly.  Location is one of my first questions.  If it doesnt work for me I pleasantly let the escort know. If location details are in the ad I can determine to start a conversation or not.  Clients have "time" too and wasting our time is just as important as the escorts.   Living outside of the suburbs of Detroit and trying to get to an escort in downtown Detroit could be a 4 hour deal with travel and a one hour appointment and as a habit I wont do it.

[TorontoDrew]

57 minutes ago, Yukon21 said:

Agree with jeezifonly.  Location is one of my first questions.  If it doesnt work for me I pleasantly let the escort know. If location details are in the ad I can determine to start a conversation or not.  Clients have "time" too and wasting our time is just as important as the escorts.   Living outside of the suburbs of Detroit and trying to get to an escort in downtown Detroit could be a 4 hour deal with travel and a one hour appointment and as a habit I wont do it.

I recently contacted two guys who claimed to work in Toronto so I inquired.  Turns out the are over an hour drive outside the city.  Waste of my time and theirs.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 8/10/2022 at 2:45 PM, coriolis888 said:

This will not work.

I use Uber often in different foreign countries and occasionally in the U.S.  

In my Uber profile is my personal information including a credit card number and my personal address where I live.  My Uber file also includes a listing of the countless trips I made in the past, showing the pickup location and the drop off location and the amount of the trip.  

There is no way that I would allow rentmen to have access to the information contained in my Uber account.  

On the other hand, in the past, I sent an Uber to a provider's place which allowed me to retain my privacy.

 

You assume RentMen would have that information, but having my own website: RentMen is not a “payment processor”. It’s likely a 3rd party processor that handles that info. 
 

You’ve taken what I said far too literal, I was merely talking about the concept, not the actual billing process.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

19 hours ago, TorontoDrew said:

I recently contacted two guys who claimed to work in Toronto so I inquired.  Turns out the are over an hour drive outside the city.  Waste of my time and theirs.

 

20 hours ago, Yukon21 said:

Agree with jeezifonly.  Location is one of my first questions.  If it doesnt work for me I pleasantly let the escort know. If location details are in the ad I can determine to start a conversation or not.  Clients have "time" too and wasting our time is just as important as the escorts.   Living outside of the suburbs of Detroit and trying to get to an escort in downtown Detroit could be a 4 hour deal with travel and a one hour appointment and as a habit I wont do it.

I make sure to get all this info out the way within the first text, FYI. Very first thing: are you looking to host or travel? You can’t get 2 gay men having sex without being able to host or travel. Nobody going to parks like that these days, so I am well aware it’s a #1 question.

My hosting location may vary AND it is not shared until the basic screening is taken care of. However, I will occasionally post whichever town/neighborhood on RentMen is the one I’m in, which RentMen has made easier. That way it still shows in the main metro area. 

[jeezifonly]

Jarrod, referring back to the title you gave this thread, there is not anyone reading who can’t agree 💯 

It will get better ❤️‍🩹 

[Thomas_Belgium]

Hi Jarrod,

 

Where/who teaches this behavior?

In my opinion:

With internet, smartphones, whatever, those „wannabe” clients can order hot food, delivered within half an hour where they want it. Groceries delivered within ten (yes ten) minutes, taxis within minutes and stuff like that.

Who?: The same companies that want to make their costumers addicted to this stuff so we buy more & more from them to satisfy the owners/shareholders & make their owners richer & richer.

Since the Covid pandemic these „wannabe” clients probably did this stuff more & somehow they want you to deliver the same satisfaction faster & faster. It's not only a problem in the US, according to experts the same thing is going on in Europe. The only way to keep satisfying these „wannabe” clients is by buying a helicopter & wear tear away basketball pants 24/7.

My guess: these „wannabe” clients live in areas where they can get all this stuff. Guys like me who don't have Uber and stuff, aren't as addicted to “super ast consuming” (yet).

 

If these „wannabe” clients give you too much stress, it could lead to a burn out.

 

My solution:

Only reply to paid messages 4my.fans, JustFor.fans, OnlyFans a phone number where you have to pay to text to (sorry but I don't know how it's called in the US, but the disadvantage is foreigner maybe can't use this, even when they are in the US). My advice: make an account on all these sites plus that phone number because the „wannabe” clients will report you if you don't give them instant satisfaction.

 

 

Thank you for reading & I wish you all the best.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

9 hours ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

Hi Jarrod,

 

Where/who teaches this behavior?

In my opinion:

With internet, smartphones, whatever, those „wannabe” clients can order hot food, delivered within half an hour where they want it. Groceries delivered within ten (yes ten) minutes, taxis within minutes and stuff like that.

Who?: The same companies that want to make their costumers addicted to this stuff so we buy more & more from them to satisfy the owners/shareholders & make their owners richer & richer.

Since the Covid pandemic these „wannabe” clients probably did this stuff more & somehow they want you to deliver the same satisfaction faster & faster. It's not only a problem in the US, according to experts the same thing is going on in Europe. The only way to keep satisfying these „wannabe” clients is by buying a helicopter & wear tear away basketball pants 24/7.

My guess: these „wannabe” clients live in areas where they can get all this stuff. Guys like me who don't have Uber and stuff, aren't as addicted to “super ast consuming” (yet).

 

If these „wannabe” clients give you too much stress, it could lead to a burn out.

 

My solution:

Only reply to paid messages 4my.fans, JustFor.fans, OnlyFans a phone number where you have to pay to text to (sorry but I don't know how it's called in the US, but the disadvantage is foreigner maybe can't use this, even when they are in the US). My advice: make an account on all these sites plus that phone number because the „wannabe” clients will report you if you don't give them instant satisfaction.

 

 

Thank you for reading & I wish you all the best.

That last line is very much along the lines of what I’ve started doing, basically referring people to my private site to book. And from there they basically have to pick a session to book, and pay the initial deposit to get started.

I haven’t found a “pay to chat” option yet regarding the phone number. But considering some people text and still don’t follow up when I return with booking instructions, I am open to consider that. 

I was hoping that, RentMen could do something like that since they already have it to where we can’t post phone number in our profiles, and they have it “rigged” somehow to where it’s not searchable on Google. So the only way to get our number to begin with is to click, so why not have it where we can just get paid that way 🤷🏾‍♂️ 

[Thomas_Belgium]

Hi again,

Good point, as soon as the "wannabees" see they have to pay to send you a message, they'll probably call you.

Isn't it called "pay per call" numbers in the US?