Isn't 400 dollars for a hour too much for New York standards?

[+ José Soplanucas]

7 hours ago, Chance said:

Its unfortunate for those hiring who have a limited budget 

 

It is not if you are resourceful. I am a HS teacher with a very limited budget. I have decided to stop paying for sex in the USA, because for me it is not a good investment. However, I have hired USA escorts until shortly before the pandemic. When people started complaining here about 300 bucks fees, I was paying 70 to a regular guy (a beautiful stripper), my last hire in 2020, a few months before the first lock down rolled out. 

Diversify your sources. Use Twitter, Instagram, and hook up apps and you will get more affordable prices. That is what you do when you are poor, you figure it out around the prices you cannot afford. 

I have a long history of excellent experiences without paying the high rates discussed here. Those who say they were paying more than 200 in 2000, I do not know where they live. My highest rate was Sean Xavier, at his prime time, who charged me 400 for two hours about 5 years ago.

When I see a professional who is asking for 500, instead of bitching complaining about it, I am happy for him. 

Edited March 4, 2022 by latbear4blk

[+ José Soplanucas]

17 hours ago, bigjoey said:

Not so sure about rising demand but certainly by rising costs incurred by the escort.

I think we will be always guessing, as there is not reliable data about sex markets. However, this explanation makes much more sense than applying the inflation rate to the escort fee.

Edited March 4, 2022 by latbear4blk

[+ JEC]

When guys can make 100s per day by having a Fans page, it changes the economics of escorting.   It makes their time more valuable.  Instead of doing all that work for one meeting, they can do the same work to film with another HOT guy (or guys) and get a recurring revenue stream worth 100X that single meeting.   And frankly, the more they promote themselves on platforms like Fans it increases the value of their brand. 

Every experience is not worth the same.  I've paid $400 for a dud, and my current psudo-regular charges $250 and is the hottest sex I have ever had.   I've paid $1000 (twice) for an overnight (also worth every penny).

So, the right price is "it depends".  Obviously, the higher the rate, the higher your expectations, the more vetting you might do, and the better chemistry you should have leading up to the meeting. 

Believe me I'm a thrift shopper and love a bargain, but this hobby is not one where I try to apply those principles....you get what you pay for.  Occasionally you might get lucky, but you should not go into this expecting that.

As others have noted, some bargains can be had on Grindr, if you are willing to do the work and spend the time.  I have neither the time or patience for that, I want to schedule my meeting and boom.  But I know others who have a lot of success at this.

Have fun guys!

[Luv2play]

24 minutes ago, latbear4blk said:

It is not if you are resourceful. I am a HS teacher with a very limited budget. I have decided to stop paying for sex in the USA, because for me it is not a good investment. However, I have hired USA escorts until shortly before the pandemic. When people started complaining here about 300 bucks fees, I was paying 70 to a regular guy (a beautiful stripper), my last hire in 2020, a few months before the first lock down rolled out. 

Diversify your sources. Use Twitter, Instagram, and hook up apps and you will get more affordable prices. That is what you do when you are poor, you figure it out around the prices you cannot afford. 

I have a long history of excellent experiences without paying the high rates discussed here. Those who say they were paying more than 200 in 2000, I do not know where they live. My highest rate was Sean Xavier, at his prime time, who charged me 400 for two hours about 5 years ago.

When I see a professional who is asking for 500, instead of bitching complaining about it, I am happy for him. 

You bring an interesting perspective to the discussion. 

Btw, how was Sean Xavier? I wish he was still available just based on his film performances. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

12 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

You bring an interesting perspective to the discussion. 

Btw, how was Sean Xavier? I wish he was still available just based on his film performances. 

https://ilikepinga.com/2017/07/09/sean-xavier/

https://ilikepinga.com/2017/08/19/sean-xavier-way/

https://ilikepinga.com/2018/03/24/sean-xavier-is-back/

That is all I know about him. He was great with me.

[xyz48B]

19 minutes ago, JEC said:

Every experience is not worth the same.  I've paid $400 for a dud, and my current psudo-regular charges $250 and is the hottest sex I have ever had.   I've paid $1000 (twice) for an overnight (also worth every penny).

1000000% this.

 I am hesitant to hire a guy who has a robust online presence. Not only is his time “valuable,” but his whole air about him changes. I’m not hiring him to make him happy but the other way around.

There once was a day when service providers saw providing a service as something honorable because they SERVED people with their work (service). It seems a lot of these providers who have online outlets don’t see it that way. They’re doing us a favor by coming down among us hoi-poi.

There once was a day when the working mentality of service providers was “the customer is always right.” In escorting, it seems the escort sets the terms of satisfaction, and if you don’t like it, move on.

There’s also no recourse for refund if you’re unsatisfied. Imagine refunding a client…Escorts want a deposit. What do I get if he didn’t live up to his ad? I get to leave a bad review on RM that’ll get taken down if he appeals. Ohhhhhh. Scary. He still has my money. And I still had a shit experience. And he still wasted my time and money, which I could’ve potentially used on a more fitting escort.

[+ JEC]

Sean Xavier is one of the hottest experiences I have had with an escort, and one of the top 5 sexual experiences of my life......full stop.

[Skip]

15 hours ago, cany10011 said:

Conversely, I went to an escort's place in Brooklyn. Rang the bell ... no answer. After sending some texts, he texts me back and says he is not home. WTF???? Do you think I should ask an escort to reimburse my metrocard ride???

You rode the metro to Brooklyn? Last time I checked Uber went there 

[Skip]

14 hours ago, xyz48B said:

1000000% this.

 I am hesitant to hire a guy who has a robust online presence. Not only is his time “valuable,” but his whole air about him changes. I’m not hiring him to make him happy but the other way around.

There once was a day when service providers saw providing a service as something honorable because they SERVED people with their work (service). It seems a lot of these providers who have online outlets don’t see it that way. They’re doing us a favor by coming down among us hoi-poi.

There once was a day when the working mentality of service providers was “the customer is always right.” In escorting, it seems the escort sets the terms of satisfaction, and if you don’t like it, move on.

There’s also no recourse for refund if you’re unsatisfied. Imagine refunding a client…Escorts want a deposit. What do I get if he didn’t live up to his ad? I get to leave a bad review on RM that’ll get taken down if he appeals. Ohhhhhh. Scary. He still has my money. And I still had a shit experience. And he still wasted my time and money, which I could’ve potentially used on a more fitting escort.

Think of it like a vacation.... if you go to the Grand Canyon and don't like it, you don't get a refund. Now if you don't like it and go back, that's your dumb fault. 

[pubic_assistance]

On 3/4/2022 at 1:44 AM, Hlparx said:

Seeing my lawyer's bill rate is only $350 an hour and he has a lot of overheard and his income is taxed, I think $400 is a lot seeing they have no overheard other than a rentman ad and chances are they aren't claiming the income on their taxes.  

Pretty sure your lawyer works more than two hours a day.

An escort is not likely to see more than two clients a day. Most of the time it's one client per day...so keep in mind this "hourly" rate is what they made for the entire day. With a median rate of $4000 a month for a one bedroom apartment in Manhattan, you can't compare NYC income numbers to other places. It's damned expensive to live here.

[ChasingGirth]

On 3/5/2022 at 11:01 AM, pubic_assistance said:

Pretty sure your lawyer works more than two hours a day.

An escort is not likely to see more than two clients a day. Most of the time it's one client per day...so keep in mind this "hourly" rate is what they made for the entire day. With a median rate of $4000 a month for a one bedroom apartment in Manhattan, you can't compare NYC income numbers to other places. It's damned expensive to live here.

I agree most guys I have met told me they only see 1 client a day. 
And when they do more it’s because they are using Trimix which is apparently very common within the escort community.

But most I met, told me on their own that they usually don’t meet more than 1 and max 2.

[+ José Soplanucas]

6 minutes ago, ChasingGirth said:

And when they do more it’s because they are using Trimix which is apparently very common within the escort community.

wow. I had no idea of this. I knew about the prevalence of trimix amongst porn performers, not sex workers. This is extremely unhealthy if they do it regularly. 

[xyz48B]

21 minutes ago, ChasingGirth said:

see 1 client a day

Assuming they charge $300/hr, five days a week, four weeks a month, that comes to $6000/month. If it’s only one client a day. It’s $7200/month if they see clients only one day of Saturday or Sunday.

At $300/hr, fives a week, that comes to $78k per year. At $300/hr, six days a week, that comes to $93.6k per year. In NYC that may be tight, but in other places it should be more than enough for a comfortable life. To a degree, it’s about management.

Assuming it takes 90 minutes before and after a client to prepare and clean up, $78k per year for working 4 hours a day, five days a week, is pretty damn good. Same for $93.6k for six days a week, four hours a day.

Edited March 6, 2022 by xyz48B

[Skip]

3 hours ago, xyz48B said:

Assuming they charge $300/hr, five days a week, four weeks a month, that comes to $6000/month. If it’s only one client a day. It’s $7200/month if they see clients only one day of Saturday or Sunday.

At $300/hr, fives a week, that comes to $78k per year. At $300/hr, six days a week, that comes to $93.6k per year. In NYC that may be tight, but in other places it should be more than enough for a comfortable life. To a degree, it’s about management.

Assuming it takes 90 minutes before and after a client to prepare and clean up, $78k per year for working 4 hours a day, five days a week, is pretty damn good. Same for $93.6k for six days a week, four hours a day.

Gosh, maybe you should escort xyz....a veritable economic bonanza 

[DMICS]

On 2/28/2022 at 10:11 PM, nycboi said:

I'm seeing a lot of escorts charging this amount. How many of you are willing to pay so much? Would you say is okay for really hung ones?

To answer your original question: Nope.

$400 sounds about right for an undeniable hot provider in NYC. Post-lockdown and inflation I expected it to hit that benchmark in the major markets (LA, NYC, Miami). 

Now with that out of the way, would I pay that? nope. I have a great well-paying career with full benefits etc etc etc, but at times frugal when it comes to how I spend my money. Especially since I'm getting near to the my 30s. So, when I have my monthly "play money" I like to treat myself sometimes by booking a provider. Within that I have my own personal budget with the max being $300. 

What I've noticed over the past year or so are new providers out of nowhere starting at $400 and even jumping up as high as $1000. That's not my lane, but if providers get that regularly I think thats great and kudos to them. Like @JECmentioned a few posts above, now with Fans pages the provider has complete control of their business. Instead of escorting 24/7, a higher price point can filter out the regular headaches the job entails, meanwhile generating greater income (and fun) from Fans. 

Also like @latbear4blk has mentioned there's other avenues to find fun. I mentioned in another thread that lately I've been having most of my fun with guys I've recruited $ on Twitter, Instagram and sometimes Grindr. Less headaches and I don't feel like I'm stepping on egg shells when laying out what I'm looking for. Not sure if the pandemic is to blame but I've had much more issues trying to book guys over Rentmen, with guys having piss poor attitudes and short fuses. 

In the end, if a provider asks for $400 in major markets it's probably because he can/is getting that fee and I think thats amazing, it's just not not my cup of tea (or in my dedicated play budget). 

Edited March 7, 2022 by DMICS

[xyz48B]

2 hours ago, Skip said:

Gosh, maybe you should escort xyz....a veritable economic bonanza 

I’m simply saying if these escorts are as busy as they say, then money shouldn’t be a real issue in most normal locations. No need to get snarky with me about deducing from the provided information.

Facts are facts. Unless my math is off…Can you demonstrate that I’m wrong?

Edited March 6, 2022 by xyz48B

[xyz48B]

1 hour ago, DMICS said:

$400 isn't too much for an undeniable hot provider in NYC. Post-lockdown and inflation I expected it to hit that benchmark in the major markets (LA, NYC, Miami). 

Locale makes a difference. 

[+ goosh69]

On 3/4/2022 at 10:07 AM, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

I didn't lie. 

I linked my source.

Actually- I have a link in my reply/ to census data on NYC. You don’t have any link whatsoever in your post (which I quoted, without editing it.) any links you added were edits after I replied. But since you INSIST on lying, here is another link. In 2019, a year after 2018, a family of four had a poverty line of $36,262 in NYC. Not $60k. Link and screenshot below. 
https://www.thecity.nyc/platform/amp/2022/1/3/22865699/poverty-trends-future-nyc

Moderator's note: Again, let's lower the temperature here, folks.  It's possible to refute data with calling someone a liar.  It would be a shame for the sniping to cause this thread to get locked.

[mike carey]

29 minutes ago, goosh69 said:

I have a link in my reply/ to census data on NYC. You don’t have any link whatsoever in your post (which I quoted, without editing it.) any links you added were edits after I replied.

In the pursuit of preventing the possibility of any rancour developing in this conversation, for the sake of precision, you are correct that @Benjamin_Nicholas did not have any link in the post you quoted. He did, however, post a link, in a separate post, to a source some 20 minutes later after another member had posted a comment, and before you and he had begun to discuss the issue. He did not subsequently add anything to the post you quoted.

The effect of local prices and incomes in any city is a reasonable part of a discussion of escort rates there, and any information that adds to that data is appropriate.

[xyz48B]

These are current stats…

I was actually surprised to see rent is indexed at about 4% cheaper than NYC. Although on reflection, I’ve heard it’s becoming more and more difficult to find housing there unless you’re grandfathered in under previous rent control protections.

In my opinion, housing costs are crazy. Where I live, it’s actually cheaper to get a mortgage than pay rent. Problem is…a lot of folks who would normally rent don’t have the equity and/or credit to secure a mortgage, and so they end up renting and paying more than those who can buy outright. 

[+ goosh69]

16 minutes ago, mike carey said:

In the pursuit of preventing the possibility of any rancour developing in this conversation, for the sake of precision, you are correct that @Benjamin_Nicholas did not have any link in the post you quoted. He did, however, post a link, in a separate post, to a source some 20 minutes later after another member had posted a comment, and before you and he had begun to discuss the issue. He did not subsequently add anything to the post you quoted.

The effect of local prices and incomes in any city is a reasonable part of a discussion of escort rates there, and any information that adds to that data is appropriate.

Thanks. However, he said the poverty line was $60k. That far closer to the $68k NYC MEDIAN household INCOME than it is to the $36k poverty line for a household of 4. And recall, the median HH was 2.59 people in NYC, not 4. So the median HH has an even lower NYC poverty line than $36k. Again, from my link above. He should have just said “I mixed up median HH income and the poverty line.” Instead he doubled down.

Edited March 7, 2022 by goosh69

[jeezifonly]

Chemistry.

There’s cost, and there’s worth.

[Hathor]

On 3/5/2022 at 11:01 AM, pubic_assistance said:

Pretty sure your lawyer works more than two hours a day.

An escort is not likely to see more than two clients a day. Most of the time it's one client per day...so keep in mind this "hourly" rate is what they made for the entire day. With a median rate of $4000 a month for a one bedroom apartment in Manhattan, you can't compare NYC income numbers to other places. It's damned expensive to live here.

I've always been generous even when I didn't had big paying jobs, when you have worked as a waiter or customer service in any capacity you can understand and be more empathic. People make their money either on tips or charging a higher rate because one, is their value and number two is expensive to in NYC, heck! in any cosmopolita. I have lived in countries with lower cost of living but if you want a centrally located apartment and at least enjoy a decent lifestyle is going to cost a LOT of money. The comments can tell much about what type of person they are, and if your outlook is hard and got a padlock in your pocket the rest  I'm not interested to find out LOL

Edited March 7, 2022 by Hathor

[xyz48B]

8 hours ago, jeezifonly said:

There’s cost, and there’s worth.

People do confuse that. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

17 hours ago, mike carey said:

In the pursuit of preventing the possibility of any rancour developing in this conversation, for the sake of precision, you are correct that @Benjamin_Nicholas did not have any link in the post you quoted. He did, however, post a link, in a separate post, to a source some 20 minutes later after another member had posted a comment, and before you and he had begun to discuss the issue. He did not subsequently add anything to the post you quoted.

The effect of local prices and incomes in any city is a reasonable part of a discussion of escort rates there, and any information that adds to that data is appropriate.

It's as if it's not there in black & white for everyone to see.

Wake me when I'm being sentenced.