Isn't 400 dollars for a hour too much for New York standards?

[+ goosh69]

9 hours ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

The poverty threshold for Manhattan back in 2018 was nearly $60k.  

And it's changed since.

That’s 100% false. There is no state by state poverty line, except for Alaska and Hawaii. One. Two, The MEDIAN HH Income in NYC was $68k, per the census bureau. MEDIAN. That’s 2.59 people per household. Don’t lie. https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/NY/INC110219

[+ goosh69]

5 hours ago, latbear4blk said:

Allow me to try it with more realistic parameters. 

The inflation argument, I think, is BS. However, I do think that escorts have the right to charge whatever they want, for any reasons they have. If a client does not like it or cannot afford it, move on or work on improving your income.

I haven’t paid $200 since the 90s. Guys worth hiring cost more. 

[+ goosh69]

5 hours ago, xyz48B said:

Inflation is really more of an issue for businesses who provide products, not services. That isn’t to say that service providers don’t need products, but rising costs are more directly passed along in products.

That’s patently false. Economic stats show that for the last 60 years, services have had more inflation than goods. Especially when hedonic adjustments are factored in (which they are in all such stats. ) the obvious examples are health care and tuition, but it includes live event tickets, haircuts, etc. in contrast to declining costs for clothes, electronic equipment, and hedonicly adjusted, cars. You said the exact opposite of what’s been true in ALL OECD countries for our entire lifetimes. Just an embarrassing post. I’d delete it.

 

PS, if you try to argue this, I will bury this thread in economic statistics and papers. You’d be way out of your depth on this particular topic, trust me.

 

https://howmuch.net/articles/price-changes-in-usa-in-past-20-years

Edited March 4, 2022 by goosh69

[ChasingGirth]

More and more guys are asking for 400 these days especially if they have rare features such as being big, tall and big dicks. I have paid 400 before when really into the guys I wanted to meet and it was worth it to be honest

[ChasingGirth]

But the base rate in NY is 300

[+ goosh69]

1 hour ago, ChasingGirth said:

But the base rate in NY is 300

I agree. But the better looking and better reviewed guys charge more. That’s maybe the average. I was paying $300 when it was $250. I like way way way above average looking guys. 

[Hlparx]

5 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

 

You want to play with economic data? Below is the very reason I felt 300/hr was too much before the pandemic:

 

Anesthesiologist
Average base pay: $164 per hour

Orthodontist
Average base pay: $118 per hour

Psychiatrist
Average base pay: $103 per hour

Commercial pilot
Average base pay: $50 per hour 

U.S. Marine Corps officer
Average base pay: $42 per hour

 

These are from 9 months ago, so feel free to adjust for inflation.

 

5 hours ago, xyz48B said:

🤫

We can’t compare escorting to another profession! Escorting is without peer! 

It’s possible that I’ve missed it, but I don’t think anyone has pointed out one of the reasons for “high” rates in the US is that escorting operates in a legally gray area in the US.  If you’re buying something on the black market, you are going to pay more for it than you would on an open market.

4 hours ago, handiacefailure said:

Seeing my lawyer's bill rate is only $350 an hour and he has a lot of overheard and his income is taxed, I think $400 is a lot seeing they have no overheard other than a rentman ad and chances are they aren't claiming the income on their taxes.  

This absolutely depends on overhead and what type of practice your lawyer has.  In NYC, I doubt $350/hr will get you a law school grad at a large firm; it might get you someone who is practicing on his own.  In Billings, MT, it’ll probably get you a partner who has his own firm.

I’m not sure that an ad is the only overhead in this business.  Some potential ones that jump out at me: lube, condoms, PReP, testing, a home (can also be used for incalls), utilities, and travel.  There are also some natural limitations to the number of clients that can be seen each day unless Viagra is in play, which adds another expense.  And of course, there are other potential life expenses that need to be considered.

As to whether $400 is “worth it” or “too much,” that’s subjective.  That may depend on what’s important to you at the time you’re thinking about your options.  On RM at least, guys push a lot of reasons why you should hire them: height, weight, endowment, sexual prowess, educational background, conversation skills, worldliness, intelligence, physique, personality, etc.  If there’s some combination of these reasons that’s worth $400 to the prospective purchaser, then it’s not “too much.”  If there isn’t, then it’s “too high.”  

Edited March 4, 2022 by Hlparx

[Chance]

9 hours ago, HoseMaster said:

For some, there is greed….

I saw a newbie back in January that only wanted $200 for the hour.  When I asked him what he wanted for an overnight, he said “How about $600?”  Of course I took him up on his offer, and he was great, and saw him multiple times already. God forbid I put him in touch with some of the “economists” on here and have them tell him he is selling himself short.  They’d probably tell him, “You could get three times that amount kid!”

You struck gold and that’s great. Not everyone is motivated by the same thing  and not everyone is aware of the dynamics.  Only an escort is aware of how much incoming they get - how much real demand there is.  And they react 

for some it’s a mistake as their demand doesn’t warrant it.  For others it’s what they can charge based on how much people desire them

Its unfortunate for those hiring who have a limited budget 

flip it around - are you cheap for not tipping your guy over the $600 ? 

[Chance]

7 hours ago, ChasingGirth said:

But the base rate in NY is 300

It’s more 

[Chance]

9 hours ago, bigjoey said:

Not so sure about rising demand but certainly by rising costs incurred by the escort.

Fair point 👏👏.  “Everything” costs more 

[xyz48B]

10 hours ago, goosh69 said:

That’s patently false. Economic stats show that for the last 60 years, services have had more inflation than goods. Especially when hedonic adjustments are factored in (which they are in all such stats. ) the obvious examples are health care and tuition, but it includes live event tickets, haircuts, etc. in contrast to declining costs for clothes, electronic equipment, and hedonicly adjusted, cars. You said the exact opposite of what’s been true in ALL OECD countries for our entire lifetimes. Just an embarrassing post. I’d delete it.

 

PS, if you try to argue this, I will bury this thread in economic statistics and papers. You’d be way out of your depth on this particular topic, trust me.

 

https://howmuch.net/articles/price-changes-in-usa-in-past-20-years

I won’t even respond beyond that. I kowtow before your unassailable expertise.

[xyz48B]

1 hour ago, Chance said:

“Everything” costs more

Just like the predicted $5+ per gallon of gas in the US based off the Ukraine crisis. It’s an excuse to drive up prices. The market isn’t completely “free” with groups like OPEC, although they want us to believe things are out of their “hands” when situations arise. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

10 hours ago, goosh69 said:

That’s 100% false. There is no state by state poverty line, except for Alaska and Hawaii. One. Two, The MEDIAN HH Income in NYC was $68k, per the census bureau. MEDIAN. That’s 2.59 people per household. Don’t lie. https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/NY/INC110219

I didn't lie. 

I linked my source.

Edited March 4, 2022 by Benjamin_Nicholas

[JJ123]

On 3/1/2022 at 9:51 PM, lionbrown said:

$400 might be worth it, but its the 'send an uber' crap that annoys me. If you need to build in cost of transportation to your rate, just do that. Don't nickle and dime me. You're becoming a bad airline.

I get told that they just want to make sure it’s a real address. I’ve had the escort once arrived pay for his ride after when he leaves. Why would people give fake addresses to these escorts? 

[Kevin Slater]

2 minutes ago, JJ123 said:

I get told that they just want to make sure it’s a real address. I’ve had the escort once arrived pay for his ride after when he leaves. Why would people give fake addresses to these escorts? 

Why indeed.  But they do.

Kevin Slater

[marylander1940]

On 3/3/2022 at 12:45 AM, xyz48B said:

Insensitive remark.

Were guys charging $300/hr in 2002? That was the pre-COVID rate for some. In 2002, I wasn’t even sure I knew what masturbation was, so I definitely wasn’t up on the rack rate for escorts. But something tells me it wasn’t $300/hr.

Actually the rate back then was 140 for incalls. 200 was pretty high for outcalls but some guys were willing to pay it. 

Since 2010 prices have remain stable 200/240 for incalls and 250/300 for outcalls. Many escorts I know haven't had a raise since then...

Edited March 4, 2022 by marylander1940

[+ goosh69]

20 minutes ago, JJ123 said:

I get told that they just want to make sure it’s a real address. I’ve had the escort once arrived pay for his ride after when he leaves. Why would people give fake addresses to these escorts? 

They totally do

[+ goosh69]

9 hours ago, Hlparx said:

It’s possible that I’ve missed it, but I don’t think anyone has pointed out one of the reasons for “high” rates in the US is that escorting operates in a legally gray area in the US.  If you’re buying something on the black market, you are going to pay more for it than you would on an open market.

This absolutely depends on overhead and what type of practice your lawyer has.  In NYC, I doubt $350/hr will get you a law school grad at a large firm; it might get you someone who is practicing on his own.  In Billings, MT, it’ll probably get you a partner who has his own firm.

I’m not sure that an ad is the only overhead in this business.  Some potential ones that jump out at me: lube, condoms, PReP, testing, a home (can also be used for incalls), utilities, and travel.  There are also some natural limitations to the number of clients that can be seen each day unless Viagra is in play, which adds another expense.  And of course, there are other potential life expenses that need to be considered.

As to whether $400 is “worth it” or “too much,” that’s subjective.  That may depend on what’s important to you at the time you’re thinking about your options.  On RM at least, guys push a lot of reasons why you should hire them: height, weight, endowment, sexual prowess, educational background, conversation skills, worldliness, intelligence, physique, personality, etc.  If there’s some combination of these reasons that’s worth $400 to the prospective purchaser, then it’s not “too much.”  If there isn’t, then it’s “too high.”  

Inflation in services has been higher than overall inflation (and by math, MUCH higher than in goods.) how much was Madonna Blonde Ambition versus Britany Circus tour versus the last Beyoncé tour? Up WAY more than inflation. Haircuts, up by more. Each of the professionals you list - up by way more than overall inflation.

 

here are ALL services versus overall inflation.

 

why? No productivity gains in this purely human services. It takes the same number of doctors, college professors, pop music divas, barbers and escorts to do an hours worth of work as it did 30 years ago. Meanwhile, your car costs nominally the same but  has all kinds of bells and whistles for free that used to cost thousands extra, plus more safety features and better mileage; your TV is half the price, three times bigger, and has a much better resolution; and this iPhone has more power than a million dollar supercomputer had when I was in high school. Also, thanks to cheap foreign labor and free trade, you can now afford avocado and pomegranate year round, and underwear is cheaper. 

Edited March 4, 2022 by goosh69

[xyz48B]

 

Falling asleep during M4M Economics 101…

[+ goosh69]

1 minute ago, xyz48B said:

 

Falling asleep during M4M Economics 101…

Then people should stop saying stupid things like inflation only applies to goods and not services. Escorting is a SERVICE. They charge more now than before just like Doctors, colleges, barbers, and pop divas do.

Edited March 4, 2022 by goosh69

[Alex93108]

13 hours ago, ChasingGirth said:

But the base rate in NY is 300

 

In my opinion 

New York / San Francisco / Los Angeles $300

London £200, outside London £150

EU excluding Paris €150, Paris is €200,  expect lower rates in Spain €100 , but not Italy

( this is base , true at time of posting . expect -/+ 50 to 100 depending on talent, ie pornstar / onlyfans fame  -instafame and reputation, body , dick , talents  ) 

Much like a law firm, if you want the opinion of a senior partner expect to pay more , but one of the junior associates will fuck you over just the same, maybe with less experience 

 

Edited March 4, 2022 by jetlow

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[RadioRob]

Moderator Note:  Last warning to drop the sniping.  Kevin has already provided a friendly note on this... consider this to be the "formal warning".  

[cany10011]

4 hours ago, JJ123 said:

I get told that they just want to make sure it’s a real address. I’ve had the escort once arrived pay for his ride after when he leaves. Why would people give fake addresses to these escorts? 

Conversely, I went to an escort's place in Brooklyn. Rang the bell ... no answer. After sending some texts, he texts me back and says he is not home. WTF???? Do you think I should ask an escort to reimburse my metrocard ride???

Edited March 4, 2022 by cany10011

[+ José Soplanucas]

15 hours ago, goosh69 said:

I haven’t paid $200 since the 90s. Guys worth hiring cost more. 

Ha!