Does the “All American” look appeal to more inquiries?

[young11]

I think most things are mentioned above already. Just want to add one bit. The general dating market as of right now is tilted toward white guys so the providers also have to deal with its consequences. Many non white clients might hire white providers to simply get what they don't get in the usual dating market. Same for the fetish, just like some of the providers detailed the clients fetish above, many guys are not into those fetish or freak out or sometimes guys just assume the worst and not even mention it. So they go to providers. Successful providers would feed them and turn into cash. 

Be it race or fetish, it's still difficult for clients to bring it up. But I think race thing is getting better gradually and slowly. At least you see less no black or Asian etc on grindr than before. I am sure many still have strong racial preferences and end up in their shallow box but at least they don't outright offend people anymore. They are unlucky not to see what's out there but I don't care much, as I can enjoy it with less competition. I still see no fem and age restrictions a lot on grindr, which will take forever for these kids to understand the deeper issue. But racial thing is changing due to the discussion on diversity happening in the US and to some extend in Europe. But sadly you as a provider won't see the end of it during your career. So better learn how to deal with it and squeeze money from where it can be. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 1/25/2022 at 6:20 AM, young11 said:

I think most things are mentioned above already. Just want to add one bit. The general dating market as of right now is tilted toward white guys so the providers also have to deal with its consequences. Many non white clients might hire white providers to simply get what they don't get in the usual dating market. Same for the fetish, just like some of the providers detailed the clients fetish above, many guys are not into those fetish or freak out or sometimes guys just assume the worst and not even mention it. So they go to providers. Successful providers would feed them and turn into cash. 

Be it race or fetish, it's still difficult for clients to bring it up. But I think race thing is getting better gradually and slowly. At least you see less no black or Asian etc on grindr than before. I am sure many still have strong racial preferences and end up in their shallow box but at least they don't outright offend people anymore. They are unlucky not to see what's out there but I don't care much, as I can enjoy it with less competition. I still see no fem and age restrictions a lot on grindr, which will take forever for these kids to understand the deeper issue. But racial thing is changing due to the discussion on diversity happening in the US and to some extend in Europe. But sadly you as a provider won't see the end of it during your career. So better learn how to deal with it and squeeze money from where it can be. 

Appreciate the perspective. I have also noticed less of the blatant stuff on the apps (I also tend to be in areas where there's not much diversity anyway, so my inbox stays pretty full lol). However, there's also the "White" app Grindr /Scruff and the "Black" app, Jack'd. So in some ways, the gay world is still divided. 

However, don't get me wrong: I am very much aware of the dynamic and the most efficient ways to let that be advantageous. I recently did a 5 day extended "weekend" run, and by the end of it, I was so depleted sexually that I needed to go home and stock up on vitamins and electrolytes lol. I even had a fairly hot White guy client come thru and we smashed. 

But I still feel I should have gotten "more" clients. I know there's not always an immediate thing I can do about it, except wait and change up pictures, but sometimes the insecurity of things being "slow" versus having a steady stream of bookings round the clock, can make me wonder and get paranoid about things. Especially if there's another person saying he's getting x amount of booking requests each day. Not that people don't lie but...I don't necessarily doubt the validity of such claims when I see it 1st hand: how White guys often get preferential placement in gay world business and other scenarios. 

On 1/22/2022 at 11:36 AM, pubic_assistance said:

Although I agree with the above statement I would also like to point out that there is a flip side to this idea of stereotyping. In my experience as a young man in an all white community ...the girls I grew up with were uptight about sex but down in Philadelphia the black girls were far more approachable and fun in bed. As I became active with men I found the same to be true. Rather than fetishizing black men I just assume they are going to be better in bed. I think with all sexuality it's about what your mind attached to in your formative years...and you can't really grow out of that much once you're set. I never had a problem stepping out side the box when I was growing up....so I developed a more sex positive outlook and wasn't beholden to negative stereotypes. Too many people grow up in a very narrow world view and they never let go of that.

Ha, interesting. Well...that's good you're able to see a broader perspective. I can't vouch on Philly because I'm from a bit a ways south of there by the way of Florida, but I can say growing up my encounters generally were Black and Puerto Rican at first...but I think one of my 1st White guy encounter was someone in Tampa who sent me a cab (think, 2002 and under 18 lol) there and back...and gave me a wild all night blow job...and after that I was an equal opportunity fucker 😛

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 1/21/2022 at 7:58 PM, DrownedBoy said:

Okay. I've been meaning to calculate and ask this for awhile.

Chicago's a Midwestern city in the U.S. How do other cities stack up? And do these numbers mean anything to you?

Well I’m not quite sure what it’s supposed to mean, but based on the demographics of the city it seems about right I suppose: 

However, seeing a city having lots of other Black providers isn’t much of a determining factor or “it will be great for me too” assumption. I’ve found cities like Chicago, Houston, Atlanta, even the bigger cities in Florida…aren’t really that great in terms of having a busy schedule. Places like that tend to have enough Black providers already, and even if there’s guys who are doing well…it doesn’t guarantee another Black provider will meet the same experience right away (it took me a couple of trips to Chicago before I was able to break in and meet some good clients).

 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Ultimately, what this comes down to is preference.

Everyone is entitled to it, but you always have a choice in how you go about expressing it.  Whether you're searching for an escort or just hooking up on Grindr, people almost always go in with an idea of what they want.  

Be polite.  Be kind.  Move forward without hurting people.

 

[Rudynate]

On 1/25/2022 at 4:20 AM, young11 said:

I think most things are mentioned above already. Just want to add one bit. The general dating market as of right now is tilted toward white guys so the providers also have to deal with its consequences. Many non white clients might hire white providers to simply get what they don't get in the usual dating market. Same for the fetish, just like some of the providers detailed the clients fetish above, many guys are not into those fetish or freak out or sometimes guys just assume the worst and not even mention it. So they go to providers. Successful providers would feed them and turn into cash. 

Be it race or fetish, it's still difficult for clients to bring it up. But I think race thing is getting better gradually and slowly. At least you see less no black or Asian etc on grindr than before. I am sure many still have strong racial preferences and end up in their shallow box but at least they don't outright offend people anymore. They are unlucky not to see what's out there but I don't care much, as I can enjoy it with less competition. I still see no fem and age restrictions a lot on grindr, which will take forever for these kids to understand the deeper issue. But racial thing is changing due to the discussion on diversity happening in the US and to some extend in Europe. But sadly you as a provider won't see the end of it during your career. So better learn how to deal with it and squeeze money from where it can be. 

I  like 'em all.  Any skin tone, any ethnicity.  I interact with a lot of black guys on hookup sites.  Nothing usually comes up regarding ethnicity, race or skin color.  I hire blacks and whites - more whites than blacks.    I had an interesting interaction a couple years ago.  Two black guys reached out to me on A4A.  They were both on the DL, wives and families, and they had had this relationship with each other for several years, where they got together for a weekend a few times a year.  They hit me up because they liked my profile and they both like white daddies and they wanted to bring me into their relationship as a third.  I was very interested, but as usually happens on hookup sites, it ended up going nowhere.

[+ Tygerscent]

On 1/13/2022 at 11:53 PM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I know this is probably a case by case topic, and for some maybe even uncomfortable. But it has been awhile since race among providers has been brought up. 

But I do so because there does seem to be a truth in these things. I keep in touch with a guy in my local area, who's White (and a bit older). Whenever I reach out to him and chat, he's often mentioning that he has a full schedule of clients for the week (generally 3 or 4 because he works other job). I also chatted with a friend who came to town a couple of times last year and was busy the whole time with clients (on his 1st two trips), but noticed he didn't return a 3rd time and seemed to have slid out of the biz. Both guys in question were White.

Meanwhile in my case (referring specifically to the Kansas City/St. Louis and surrounding cities market), it's often day by day I have next to no bookings. I go thru a cycle of either being completely void of calls, or I'll have a handful of clients reach out, but right off the bat are inconsiderate/difficult and either flake or don't seem to take arrangements seriously. It's not usually this way when I travel (in the right markets, I've met 3 or 4 clients in a day), but it still makes me wonder. Why does it seem easier for White (or more bluntly, non-Black) providers to connect easier with clients in certain markets, it seems? 

I notice the attention leaning towards latin and Italian~ More recently, Asian bottoms as well~ Burly bearded bear white guys seem to do well but, I think that’s the beardedness, furry bods and special interest attraction if they are uncut and inked~ These lads have pretty full dance cards~ 

 Non white, non Latino guys seem to have the cutting edge in NYC and LA but many other major cities as well… but, there’s also a bit of a saturated market in those places with ethnic looks… So, then it’s a matter of things like personal preferences at the moment, (and those change). Visiting providers also change the demographics. 

  Mediterranean and middle eastern guys do well too~ 
  Look on RM in various cities and see whose for hire… Sometimes saturation is an issue~ Sometimes it’s just how they introduce themselves to potential Clients~ ie. Regardless of ethnicity, ads that require Clients to be a certain age, weight, wealth tier, fitness tier, status or social style immediately narrow their chances of getting hired~ Not because those guys aren’t out there or out there in numbers but, because the first thing they see is someone being demanding~ 

 Regardless of who it is, Client or Provider, overly demanding big attitude will drive others away to a more friendly situation~ 

The last thing anyone needs is a Client or provider whose agenda is to find the next person to fight with~ People want to get together for fun times not frustrating times~ 

Edited February 6, 2022 by Tygerscent

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On 2/4/2022 at 11:38 AM, Rudynate said:

I  like 'em all.  Any skin tone, any ethnicity.  I interact with a lot of black guys on hookup sites.  Nothing usually comes up regarding ethnicity, race or skin color.  I hire blacks and whites - more whites than blacks.    I had an interesting interaction a couple years ago.  Two black guys reached out to me on A4A.  They were both on the DL, wives and families, and they had had this relationship with each other for several years, where they got together for a weekend a few times a year.  They hit me up because they liked my profile and they both like white daddies and they wanted to bring me into their relationship as a third.  I was very interested, but as usually happens on hookup sites, it ended up going nowhere.

Thanks for your perspective and willingness to be open. If the avatar is your pic, it’s their loss because I’m mmm mmm loving the view from the back. I just wanna massage all over those tats 😆 

But as it relates to your story: it sounds like the failure to meet wasn’t just due to the hookup site, but the fact that there was 2 DL married guys who also hooked up with each other (red flag). 
 

Even though such things do happen in real life (I can attest), those things tend to be built or more popular among confirmed m4m couples, versus sought after online. I know a gay couple now and it seems like they open to me to join their relationship, but I’ve spent the past couple years being friends with “couples” to where I need to move forward with my own life and plus: couples often want to move at their speed and pace. I ain’t got time for that shit. Trust me, you didn’t miss out on anything except maybe 1 good fling.

Maybe they were serious and looking for that, but when you add wives to the mix, that’s a recipe for “something never going anywhere”.

I met a client in Denver who gives the white daddy vibes. But every time after we met, it was always “because the wife”, etc etc. So we only met once so far. Like dude, I didn’t sign up to just keep hearing about how hard it is to get away from your wife all the time 🤦🏽‍♂️ 
 

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Rudynate]

7 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Thanks for your perspective and willingness to be open. If the avatar is your pic, it’s their loss because I’m mmm mmm loving the view from the back. I just wanna massage all over those tats 😆 

But as it relates to your story: it sounds like the failure to meet wasn’t just due to the hookup site, but the fact that there was 2 DL married guys who also hooked up with each other (red flag). 
 

Even though such things do happen in real life (I can attest), those things tend to be built or more popular among confirmed m4m couples, versus sought after online. I know a gay couple now and it seems like they open to me to join their relationship, but I’ve spent the past couple years being friends with “couples” to where I need to move forward with my own life and plus: couples often want to move at their speed and pace. I ain’t got time for that shit. Trust me, you didn’t miss out on anything except maybe 1 good fling.

Maybe they were serious and looking for that, but when you add wives to the mix, that’s a recipe for “something never going anywhere”.

I met a client in Denver who gives the white daddy vibes. But every time after we met, it was always “because the wife”, etc etc. So we only met once so far. Like dude, I didn’t sign up to just keep hearing about how hard it is to get away from your wife all the time 🤦🏽‍♂️ 
 

 

I knew it was always a longshot - too many moving parts. I was one of the moving parts, actually.  On the one hand it was an attractive proposition, but I didn't think my husband would be on board with me going off every few months to spend a weekend with these guys.

[+ sniper]

I wasn't under the impression Missouri was a particularly good state to be black in period, much less as an escort. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

19 hours ago, sniper said:

I wasn't under the impression Missouri was a particularly good state to be black in period, much less as an escort. 

I guess it just depends on who you ask. Kansas City and St. Louis are about the only real Black populations here. However, many of the GBMs seem to aspire to move elsewhere, out of state. I was talking to one guy and things were going okay but sure nuff, he's moving to Houston 😒

Otherwise, the gay scene in both cities seems very much like a White social club. Especially in Kansas City. Many the gay White guys love it here, but I've spoken to some who can't wait to leave also. Dating here is also pointless, I find the guys here don't even actually date. It's all hookups and maybe...something will come out of it. I decided officially I'm done dating in Missouri. That extends even to meeting anyone for free sex, PERIOD. The type of man I envision for dating, does not exist here. 

That's also not to insinuate I don't enjoy White guy's company or only want to be around diverse backgrounds...but in Missouri THEY only want White guy's company and aren't open to diverse backgrounds. I've met countless amounts of dudes here, and they seem cool on grindr and after 2 a.m., but all of em are so fake and phony and shit...I'm done.

I have clients who take care of majority of the sex stuff, but as I've said here: that is not always the case either. Most of my client hits in the area come from business travelers, many of the locals are flakes and often end up blacklisted before the 1st meet or 2. It's tragic. Trying to make this Spring, my exit...

 

On 2/7/2022 at 9:14 AM, Rudynate said:

I knew it was always a longshot - too many moving parts. I was one of the moving parts, actually.  On the one hand it was an attractive proposition, but I didn't think my husband would be on board with me going off every few months to spend a weekend with these guys.

That IS a lot of moving parts lol. We're talking about 6 people, and only 3 people in the mix.

That's why (not discussing you specifically)... married clients can sometimes unintentionally be a pain in the ass to do biz with. Even though for some or many, it makes up a majority of our client base, most can't really "commit" or plan things properly. I end up getting annoyed and done with it. 

Like one guy, we met once but ever since he's tried to squeeze me in the middle of the afternoon with no notice. And he's like, "I have to meet before xx:xx time". I'm like, what do people think? You can't just pop up out the blue to meet with me having no idea of it happening. Where is the common sense and courtesy anymore?? Especially when they want me to furnish the host location. They wouldn't want me popping up on their doorstep with 2 hours notice, why should it be any different?

Edited February 8, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Rudynate]

2 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I guess it just depends on who you ask. Kansas City and St. Louis are about the only real Black populations here. However, many of the GBMs seem to aspire to move elsewhere, out of state. I was talking to one guy and things were going okay but sure nuff, he's moving to Houston 😒

Otherwise, the gay scene in both cities seems very much like a White social club. Especially in Kansas City. Many the gay White guys love it here, but I've spoken to some who can't wait to leave also. Dating here is also pointless, I find the guys here don't even actually date. It's all hookups and maybe...something will come out of it. I decided officially I'm done dating in Missouri. That extends even to meeting anyone for free sex, PERIOD. The type of man I envision for dating, does not exist here. 

I have clients who take care of majority of the sex stuff, but as I've said here: that is not always the case either. Most of my client hits in the area come from business travelers, many of the locals are flakes and often end up blacklisted before the 1st meet or 2. It's tragic. Trying to make this Spring, my exit...

 

That IS a lot of moving parts lol. We're talking about 6 people, and only 3 people in the mix.

That's why (not discussing you specifically)... married clients can sometimes unintentionally be a pain in the ass to do biz with. Even though for some or many, it makes up a majority of our client base, most can't really "commit" or plan things properly. I end up getting annoyed and done with it. 

Like one guy, we met once but ever since he's tried to squeeze me in the middle of the afternoon with no notice. And it's like, "I have to meet before xx:xx time". It's like, what do people think? You can't just pop up out the blue to meet with me having no idea of it happening. Where is the common sense anymore??

I used to  like to chase bi and DL guys.  I thought a triad with two of them would be really interesting.

[+ sniper]

From what you've posted, I do think that it appears you are more bothered by the downsides of the profession than most.

I'm not saying these "clients" aren't flakes; I'm saying it's something that's not likely to change and you probably need to find a strategy to slough it off because always being pissed off, regardless of justification, is likely to have negative spillover effects on both the business you do get and your everyday life.

Edited February 8, 2022 by sniper

[Jarrod_Uncut]

9 hours ago, sniper said:

From what you've posted, I do think that it appears you are more bothered by the downsides of the profession than most.

I'm not saying these "clients" aren't flakes; I'm saying it's something that's not likely to change and you probably need to find a strategy to slough it off because always being pissed off, regardless of justification, is likely to have negative spillover effects on both the business you do get and your everyday life.

Well, I get what you’re saying. But I’ve already found the strategy to make the change: and that’s to exit the market. You may say “bothered than most” (and according to whom?), but the listings speak for themselves. As it relates to the last question I answered, If you look at listings in a particular area and there doesn’t seem to be many, often times that can either be an opportunity or pending disaster. You won’t really know unless you’re an escort posting and actively working “on foot” in that market’ to really experience it. And my experience in some markets has shown that it’s better to be in a place where I can be appreciated as a Black provider, versus sitting around some bum ass town dealing with guys who like do stupid shit like talk about the other big black dicks they can get for $100/150….or worse yet, for free. Fuck you (not you, them lol). 

It may not change, and I get that. But I know where to go and what to do to change it. Like I’ve touted before: I ask all my clients for deposits mainly for hosting/advanced bookings. I started that because I got tired of booking hotels, or sitting around at home expecting some muppet to show and they don’t. Some have criticized for that. But it’s been working fine for me, the ones who don’t…that just weeds out the ones most likely to flake anyway. 
 

Don’t be lead astray. Just because I talk about something doesn’t mean I’m not doing anything about it. I’m just talking about the way it is. If it’s uncomfortable for some, sorry. 

Edited February 9, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ Lucky]

6 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

But who just pulled over 1,200 a month on the apps since the year started? 

 

 

$1200 a month is good? For a full-time escort? Hmm. I thought that escorts made a lot more. Am I missing something here?

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18 minutes ago, Lucky said:

$1200 a month is good? For a full-time escort? Hmm. I thought that escorts made a lot more. Am I missing something here?

I edited that out (I hate bragging, especially in such an up and down industry lol), but I was referring to just the amount in deposits/payments on the app. 
 

But to further answer your question, as it relates to the other thread circulating: maybe $1,200 is all someone may make a month off escorting. There shouldn’t be any shame in that if they were: $1.200 month is a nice apartment in many cities (of course IF they had an extra side job to pay for everything else and only used it for that). 
 

However, if you take $1,200 and divide by either $150, 200, 250 or $300…that’s not out of the question. And like I said before: there’s times I’m in my home market and may only get 1 or 2 clients a week. If I didn’t go anywhere else, $1,200 a month would be very realistic. And that’s lucky considering the fallout.

If I had a regular 9-5 job, I’d likely miss ALL the clients in some markets in a month. Which would essentially make being an escort pointless. The Midwest is a very “late morning/afternoon before 5” market. If you can’t catch em by then, don’t expect to get anything else at night. 

Edited February 8, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ Mrprofessional]

On 1/13/2022 at 11:53 PM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I know this is probably a case by case topic, and for some maybe even uncomfortable. But it has been awhile since race among providers has been brought up. 

But I do so because there does seem to be a truth in these things. I keep in touch with a guy in my local area, who's White (and a bit older). Whenever I reach out to him and chat, he's often mentioning that he has a full schedule of clients for the week (generally 3 or 4 because he works other job). I also chatted with a friend who came to town a couple of times last year and was busy the whole time with clients (on his 1st two trips), but noticed he didn't return a 3rd time and seemed to have slid out of the biz. Both guys in question were White.

Meanwhile in my case (referring specifically to the Kansas City/St. Louis and surrounding cities market), it's often day by day I have next to no bookings. I go thru a cycle of either being completely void of calls, or I'll have a handful of clients reach out, but right off the bat are inconsiderate/difficult and either flake or don't seem to take arrangements seriously. It's not usually this way when I travel (in the right markets, I've met 3 or 4 clients in a day), but it still makes me wonder. Why does it seem easier for White (or more bluntly, non-Black) providers to connect easier with clients in certain markets, it seems? 

Jarod you are correct to suspect that racism plays a major role. Larger cities will have more open minded people so get thee to a coast! 

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2 hours ago, Mrprofessional said:

Jarod you are correct to suspect that racism plays a major role. Larger cities will have more open minded people so get thee to a coast! 

I’m getting ready to do just that…I’m loading up and driving to the Pacific Northwest next week. If I find a place, great. Tired of this shit. I deserve so much better than the rude guys I been dealing with in the Midwest.
 

And to quote @sniper again: it’s easy to be on the sidelines and make it seem like I’m the only person bothered. But when I constantly deal with repetitious idiots so much, it’s hard not to be. For example: this idiot has been contacting me on and off since July last year, and still can’t get around to a booking:
 

Completely disrespectful, and no consideration for my time. It may not be directly related to racism per say, but it’s still a racist mentality in some ways when someone thinks they’re more important, just because maybe they’ve been conditioned to feel that way.

If he thinks blocking him is the most I would do, he got another thing coming. I actually added him to the shit pile of timewasters on Mr. Number 😆 

Edited February 11, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ Mrprofessional]

3 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I’m getting ready to do just that…I’m loading up and driving to the Pacific Northwest next week. If I find a place, great. Tired of this shit. I deserve so much better than the rude guys I been dealing with in the Midwest.
 

And to quote @sniper again: it’s easy to be on the sidelines and make it seem like I’m the only person bothered. But when I constantly deal with repetitious idiots so much, it’s hard not to be. For example: this idiot has been contacting me on and off since July last year, and still can’t get around to a booking:
 

Completely disrespectful, and no consideration for my time. It may not be directly related to racism per say, but it’s still a racist mentality in some ways when someone thinks they’re more important, just because maybe they’ve been conditioned to feel that way.

If he thinks blocking him is the most I would do, he got another thing coming. I actually added him to the shit pile of timewasters on Mr. Number 😆 

Pacific NW unfortunately has a lot of white supremacy groups. 😳 but In the cities you should be fine. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

5 hours ago, Mrprofessional said:

Pacific NW unfortunately has a lot of white supremacy groups. 😳 but In the cities you should be fine. 

I live in Missouri. Remind you. Ask me if it gets any less diverse than this. The whole state is one big supremacy group, including the gay bars 🤦🏽‍♂️ . I’m pretty certain I’ve unknowingly fucked with a few White Supremacy guys before…I don’t mind at all 😆 long as he don’t try to kill me, let me fuck that tatted daddy ass 😋 

 

 

 

Edited February 12, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jamie21]

9 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I’m getting ready to do just that…I’m loading up and driving to the Pacific Northwest next week. If I find a place, great. Tired of this shit. I deserve so much better than the rude guys I been dealing with in the Midwest.
 

And to quote @sniper again: it’s easy to be on the sidelines and make it seem like I’m the only person bothered. But when I constantly deal with repetitious idiots so much, it’s hard not to be. For example: this idiot has been contacting me on and off since July last year, and still can’t get around to a booking:
 

Completely disrespectful, and no consideration for my time. It may not be directly related to racism per say, but it’s still a racist mentality in some ways when someone thinks they’re more important, just because maybe they’ve been conditioned to feel that way.

If he thinks blocking him is the most I would do, he got another thing coming. I actually added him to the shit pile of timewasters on Mr. Number 😆 

😂😂. There is a lot of time wasters who talk about booking but never do. Extremely annoying and disrespectful. I think it’s an anxiety thing with a lot of them. They get horny, contact me to book but ask lots of questions like “will you wear a jock?” and “how big is your cock” etc. I can tell where the conversation is going….”then they say they want to get fucked raw in 25 different positions etc”. Ugh. 

As soon as the conversation moves from the logistics of booking to the minutiae of the angle at which my cock will go in them then I’m bailing out of that conversation. I suspect it’s a guy who’s probably never had sex with another guy and he’s too anxious or inhibited to actually go through with it but he gets off on thinking and talking about it.

Hey, if I was any good at sex chat I’d run a sex chat line but I’m not so I don’t. I’m good at in person sex so you’ll have to book it…not talk about it.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

9 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

😂😂. There is a lot of time wasters who talk about booking but never do. Extremely annoying and disrespectful. I think it’s an anxiety thing with a lot of them. They get horny, contact me to book but ask lots of questions like “will you wear a jock?” and “how big is your cock” etc. I can tell where the conversation is going….”then they say they want to get fucked raw in 25 different positions etc”. Ugh. 

As soon as the conversation moves from the logistics of booking to the minutiae of the angle at which my cock will go in them then I’m bailing out of that conversation. I suspect it’s a guy who’s probably never had sex with another guy and he’s too anxious or inhibited to actually go through with it but he gets off on thinking and talking about it.

Hey, if I was any good at sex chat I’d run a sex chat line but I’m not so I don’t. I’m good at in person sex so you’ll have to book it…not talk about it.

Exactly. Notice how he said, “I didn’t schedule anything or make you miss another appointment”. As if, it’s okay to talk to someone that way AND not even show up. Just like you said, annoying and disrespectful. First of all, that’s showing 0 respect for the provider considering I could be reading that message in a position where it’s not appropriate by all means. Of course I never engaged or agreed, I just kept it right to the point.

And while I’m on the topic: the bareback/breeding seeking clients are the #1 timewasters out there! I’m almost about to just block any of them who approach me asking for that. If he didn’t show up back in July, why would I expect him to show up now. That said: I don’t mind providing the service to clients, who are throughly “prepared”. I just got tested for everything and was negative. However, its not generally a service I agree to before meeting. If I sense the client isn’t hygienic, I won’t do it.

This type of stuff goes on all week in my market. One thing I miss about RentBoy, it used to attract a bit more respectful clients. Idk why these days RentMen just attracts so much game players nowadays. Idk if it’s because the disappearance of Craigslist and backpage have affected the ecosystem or what. Like I say, it used to be the same guys on Rentboy in the smaller markets. Now, everytime I look around there’s a new guy popping up on the scene (and disappearing just as fast)

[+ Mrprofessional]

21 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I live in Missouri. Remind you. Ask me if it gets any less diverse than this. The whole state is one big supremacy group, including the gay bars 🤦🏽‍♂️ . I’m pretty certain I’ve unknowingly fucked with a few White Supremacy guys before…I don’t mind at all 😆 long as he don’t try to kill me, let me fuck that tatted daddy ass 😋 

 

 

 

I’m so sorry you’ve had to endure this crap. Your willingness to make the best of it — well it is inspiring and admirable. I get SO pissed at racists. 

[Rudynate]

On 2/11/2022 at 2:56 PM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I’m getting ready to do just that…I’m loading up and driving to the Pacific Northwest next week. If I find a place, great. Tired of this shit. I deserve so much better than the rude guys I been dealing with in the Midwest.
 

And to quote @sniper again: it’s easy to be on the sidelines and make it seem like I’m the only person bothered. But when I constantly deal with repetitious idiots so much, it’s hard not to be. For example: this idiot has been contacting me on and off since July last year, and still can’t get around to a booking:
 

Completely disrespectful, and no consideration for my time. It may not be directly related to racism per say, but it’s still a racist mentality in some ways when someone thinks they’re more important, just because maybe they’ve been conditioned to feel that way.

If he thinks blocking him is the most I would do, he got another thing coming. I actually added him to the shit pile of timewasters on Mr. Number 😆 

I'm not saying it isn't racism, but it appears that the guy thinks it's OK to waste escorts' time in general.  I'm very sympathetic with escorts about time wasters because I encounter them all the time in my profession too. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

I prefer no tattoos or piercings.  Is that considered "all-American"?

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 2/13/2022 at 5:52 PM, Rudynate said:

I'm not saying it isn't racism, but it appears that the guy thinks it's OK to waste escorts' time in general.  I'm very sympathetic with escorts about time wasters because I encounter them all the time in my profession too. 

Hmm, possibly. But to me it still seems like racism. People may want to think it isn’t, but it often is. Especially in the Middle America market. It’s also usually the White potential clients contacting with the game playing and BS (despite also making up a majority of the client base). Not to mention, when one of my White friends came to Kansas City last year, he had a decent schedule of clients. Meanwhile it was pretty slow on my schedule. However, it could have just been his new guy novelty. But aside from a few occasional locals and visitors who come to the area, that's general how it's been.

Even today I had to deal with someone unreasonable. He asked for 30 minute session, then says the rate too much (which is actually something I don't even offer, but in trying to accommodate). Despite the compromise, still managed to be a complete flake but I didn't take much time entertaining. Regardless... It's annoying. Why the fuck these people contact intending to be rude and disrespectful, and play games, I have no idea. And majority of them are White. So, I have a hard time believing it's not racism. It's racism because they don't think I deserve to be paid, or paid fairly enough for my time and effort. Then they try to get free explicit chat time, when they knowingly have 0 intent to go thru with meeting for an appointment. 

It may be more due to an aversion to gay sexuality/acceptance (this area has a lot of closet cases), or aversion to providers (there seems to be a lot of “sex work” haters here, and in all of the state, only St. Louis and Kansas City has any sizable market. Everywhere else in the state is dead). But…I still don’t rule out micro aggression. It’s their attitude. Their demeanor.

Edited February 15, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut