Does the “All American” look appeal to more inquiries?

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On 2/13/2022 at 5:52 PM, Rudynate said:

I'm not saying it isn't racism, but it appears that the guy thinks it's OK to waste escorts' time in general.  I'm very sympathetic with escorts about time wasters because I encounter them all the time in my profession too. 

Hmm, possibly. But to me it still seems like racism. People may want to think it isn’t, but it often is. Especially in the Middle America market. It’s also usually the White potential clients contacting with the game playing and BS (despite also making up a majority of the client base). Not to mention, when one of my White friends came to Kansas City last year, he had a decent schedule of clients. Meanwhile it was pretty slow on my schedule. However, it could have just been his new guy novelty. But aside from a few occasional locals and visitors who come to the area, that's general how it's been.

Even today I had to deal with someone unreasonable. He asked for 30 minute session, then says the rate too much (which is actually something I don't even offer, but in trying to accommodate). Despite the compromise, still managed to be a complete flake but I didn't take much time entertaining. Regardless... It's annoying. Why the fuck these people contact intending to be rude and disrespectful, and play games, I have no idea. And majority of them are White. So, I have a hard time believing it's not racism. It's racism because they don't think I deserve to be paid, or paid fairly enough for my time and effort. Then they try to get free explicit chat time, when they knowingly have 0 intent to go thru with meeting for an appointment. 

It may be more due to an aversion to gay sexuality/acceptance (this area has a lot of closet cases), or aversion to providers (there seems to be a lot of “sex work” haters here, and in all of the state, only St. Louis and Kansas City has any sizable market. Everywhere else in the state is dead). But…I still don’t rule out micro aggression. It’s their attitude. Their demeanor.

9 hours ago, Vegas_nw1982 said:

I prefer no tattoos or piercings.  Is that considered "all-American"?

The original post was “White guys” instead of “All-American”, but I didn’t want to make like I’m singling out on 1 subject versus the bigger picture. 
 

That said, in 2022 it seems like most every American has some form of tattoos or piercings.

[Rudynate]

Youre in a better position to perceive racisim in action than I am, so I'm not going to disagree.

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18 hours ago, Rudynate said:

Youre in a better position to perceive racisim in action than I am, so I'm not going to disagree.

Fair enough. I know you don’t want to “Whoopi” yourself into that ”viewpoint” 😆 

Like the gay guys on hookup apps always say: “it’s not about race, it’s about preference 🧐 ” Now…if only there was that same energy when it came down to issues more specified with the gay sex work society.

Edited February 16, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Rudynate]

I never know what to think about that stuff about "preferences."  When people start citing "preference," it almost always has to do with ethnicity/skin tone.

My preferences are pretty diverse and don't categorically exclude any ethnicity/skin tone.   I do exclude based on intellect, personality, bodyweight, fitness level and age.  And my exclusion criteria are so fluid and full of arbitrary exceptions that I would be hard-pressed to explain them rationally.

I think my exclusion criteria could be summed up as "If he's hot, he's hot."

Edited February 16, 2022 by Rudynate
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10 hours ago, Rudynate said:

I think my exclusion criteria could be summed up as "If he's hot, he's hot."

Are you sure that’s not, "if I’m horny, he’s hot."?

[Rudynate]

1 hour ago, nycman said:

Are you sure that’s not, "if I’m horny, he’s hot."?

What if it is?

[Coconut]

On 2/15/2022 at 12:43 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Hmm, possibly. But to me it still seems like racism. People may want to think it isn’t, but it often is. Especially in the Middle America market. It’s also usually the White potential clients contacting with the game playing and BS (despite also making up a majority of the client base). Not to mention, when one of my White friends came to Kansas City last year, he had a decent schedule of clients. Meanwhile it was pretty slow on my schedule. However, it could have just been his new guy novelty. But aside from a few occasional locals and visitors who come to the area, that's general how it's been.

Even today I had to deal with someone unreasonable. He asked for 30 minute session, then says the rate too much (which is actually something I don't even offer, but in trying to accommodate). Despite the compromise, still managed to be a complete flake but I didn't take much time entertaining. Regardless... It's annoying. Why the fuck these people contact intending to be rude and disrespectful, and play games, I have no idea. And majority of them are White. So, I have a hard time believing it's not racism. It's racism because they don't think I deserve to be paid, or paid fairly enough for my time and effort. Then they try to get free explicit chat time, when they knowingly have 0 intent to go thru with meeting for an appointment. 

It may be more due to an aversion to gay sexuality/acceptance (this area has a lot of closet cases), or aversion to providers (there seems to be a lot of “sex work” haters here, and in all of the state, only St. Louis and Kansas City has any sizable market. Everywhere else in the state is dead). But…I still don’t rule out micro aggression. It’s their attitude. Their demeanor.

The original post was “White guys” instead of “All-American”, but I didn’t want to make like I’m singling out on 1 subject versus the bigger picture. 
 

That said, in 2022 it seems like most every American has some form of tattoos or piercings.

1) I consider “All American” to be White or Black. To me at has to be a boy next door look. Wholesome looking, clean cut, boyish looking, which is not limited to white guys. Ive had many Black guys fit that bill.

 

2) @storm4u and others mentioned being successful in many different markets and they are Black. Maybe the challenges you are having, have to do with the city you’re in, your marketing, you, or your luck.

[Rocca]

18 hours ago, Coconut said:

1) I consider “All American” to be White or Black. To me at has to be a boy next door look. Wholesome looking, clean cut, boyish looking, which is not limited to white guys. Ive had many Black guys fit that bill.

 

2) @storm4u and others mentioned being successful in many different markets and they are Black. Maybe the challenges you are having, have to do with the city you’re in, your marketing, you, or your luck.

I agree with everything you said @Coconut

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20 hours ago, Coconut said:

1) I consider “All American” to be White or Black. To me at has to be a boy next door look. Wholesome looking, clean cut, boyish looking, which is not limited to white guys. Ive had many Black guys fit that bill.

 

2) @storm4u and others mentioned being successful in many different markets and they are Black. Maybe the challenges you are having, have to do with the city you’re in, your marketing, you, or your luck.

Let me just address something ASAP: just because I bring up a conversation about something, does not mean I’m broke or struggling. Just to clear that up. I don’t think it’s necessary to compare me to another escort because one’s definition of success may be different than mine.
 

Similar to what I said to someone previously: He said $1,200 a month doesn’t sound like much (which was not my earnings). $1,200 a month to a part time escort/masseur with a Mon-Fri. job may be successful. $1,200 a month to a full time escort like myself, may not meet their goals. And if an escort can make $1,200 in 4 days (true story on my 1st trip to San Francisco), that can certainly make $1,200 a month feel like nothing.

That said: I’m pretty cognitive that much of it is due to location of one’s market. You compared me to 2 Black providers, one who lives in L.A. and the other who lives in Atlanta. Both of those places reach a large audience, but they’re also popular with competition and flakes. I know because I have been to each location more than a couple of times to know. 
 

And since I made this thread, the White provider in question hasn’t even had his ad up. He went from Gold to Basic, to disappeared. So maybe his claim that he’s sooo busy was bluff. I know for a fact Kansas City/St. Louis (Saint Louis fairs a bit better though, however it still gets regular lulls to where I don’t like to be home more than a week or 2 at a time) are not busy markets, except busy with flakes. Many of the White “client’s” in this area pretend to be clients, and then never fucking show up. So, it may “seem” like you’re doing well…and rightfully so, but in reality the numbers don’t add up.
 

I think before you try to assume some shortcoming about me, you should read the other thread about Full time/part time escorts. Several guys said they could not do it Full time because it’s not reliable enough. I said I am doing it full time. So, obviously, there’s guys who’s success is assisted by their main job: which isn’t bad, BUT the real test of success is going to be who can do this as their main or sole job, and feel the same way. 
 

So far only @Kevin Slater and @Rod Hagen have said they been only doing sex work. And considering the difference in ethnicities, the question still remains…

Edited February 18, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Coconut]

5 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:I think before you try to assume some shortcoming about me, you should read the other thread about Full time/part time escorts. Several guys said they could not do it Full time because it’s not reliable enough. I said I am doing it full time. So, obviously, there’s guys who’s success is assisted by their main job: which isn’t bad, BUT the real test of success is going to be who can do this as their main or sole job, and feel the same way. 
 

I made no assumption of a shortcoming. I answered the question that you posted, and gave you list of potential culprits that can be causing the issue you are having. It’s unfortunate that you chose to take offense, but no offense was intended.

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6 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

just because I bring up a conversation about something, does not mean I’m broke or struggling. Just to clear that up.

6 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Many of the White “client’s” in this area….

Why they gotta be "White"?

Nothing like broad racial generalizations…..to make your point about racism. 

6 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

So far only @Kevin Slater and @Rod Hagen have said they been only doing sex work. And considering the difference in ethnicities…

@Kevin Slater and @Rod Hagen are different ethnicities? 
Damn, coulda fooled me. 
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[Jamie21]

What’s the ‘All American’ look? Is it another way of saying ‘young fit white guy’? If so I’d say the look probably would get a lot of inquiries. Most of the adverts on places like Rentmen and similar sites are by that type of guy if you go by the pictures so I assume that’s what the market wants.

There’s also markets for other looks but maybe they’re not so big. Example you don’t see many adverts with ginger haired pale guys who are extremely overweight? Some people love that look but the adverts aren’t full of those guys looking for clients so I guess it’s niche.

It’s pointless bemoaning the fact that the market likes something you’re not, and can never be. I’ll never be 23 again so I’m not going to complain the 23 year olds are doing great business. I’ve got my market and I make the best of it.

The classic song from Gloria Gaynor comes to mind:

I am what I am
I don't want praise I don't want pity
I bang my own drum
Some think it's noise I think it's pretty
And so what if I love each sparkle and each bangle
Why not try to see things from a different angle
Your life is a shame til you can shout out 
I am what I am

I think that says it all…

[MscleLovr]

5 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

What’s the ‘All American’ look? Is it another way of saying ‘young fit white guy’?

It’s a look that certainly appeals hugely to me. For me, it’s not necessarily about ethnicity: it can be white, black, mixed-race or Asian.
 

For me, it’s definitely about the young men being well groomed, clean-shaven, with preppy good looks and having an engaging and outgoing nature. As part of the look, I expect the men to have fit, muscled bodies that are smooth or lightly hairy as well as having an attractive hair-style and good teeth. 

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On 2/18/2022 at 1:23 AM, nycman said:

Why they gotta be "White"?

Nothing like broad racial generalizations…..to make your point about racism. 

@Kevin Slater and @Rod Hagen are different ethnicities? 
Damn, coulda fooled me. 
grin

They “gotta” be White because that’s who it is I’m referencing in this particular discussion. Plain and simple. It’s not racial generalizations, it’s the actual demographic that make up the majority of timewasters and bullshit mother fuckers who have proven to be such.

 

I know because I screen every booking that comes thru to me, and based on the results, that’s who it shows. Many of the timewasters contacting on RM sites are the White guys (some even send pictures and STILL end up being fakes). Not saying other races don’t (I’ve had my share of Black clients be bullshit MoFos too, and in some markets it’s far too common)…but, it’s the White “clients” that generally do most of the game playing out here. Idk if they do it with just the Black providers, or everyone. 

And in case I have to make it obvious: I’m talking about @Kevin Slaterand @Rod Hagenare different ethnicities from ME. From ME. (I’m actually just under 30% White though, so we’re not “too” distant 😆  Why do I even need to clarify that?? lol

On 2/18/2022 at 12:16 AM, Coconut said:

I made no assumption of a shortcoming. I answered the question that you posted, and gave you list of potential culprits that can be causing the issue you are having. It’s unfortunate that you chose to take offense, but no offense was intended.

First off: I didn’t take it as offense. I agree with all the points you made, but when you made it about me, by saying “you”, that’s where you went in error. And then I had to clarify that.

Because what you did: was say, “other black guys are in the business and doing well”…which insinuated that I’m not. That’s why I corrected you. On top of that, @Storm4U just said in another thread, that he quit his Massage business. Idk what his particular reasons for it was, whether it was because business related or not, but obviously it’s some indication that some providers have reasons for leaving.

 

Edited February 19, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

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23 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

What’s the ‘All American’ look? Is it another way of saying ‘young fit white guy’? If so I’d say the look probably would get a lot of inquiries. Most of the adverts on places like Rentmen and similar sites are by that type of guy if you go by the pictures so I assume that’s what the market wants.

There’s also markets for other looks but maybe they’re not so big. Example you don’t see many adverts with ginger haired pale guys who are extremely overweight? Some people love that look but the adverts aren’t full of those guys looking for clients so I guess it’s niche.

It’s pointless bemoaning the fact that the market likes something you’re not, and can never be. I’ll never be 23 again so I’m not going to complain the 23 year olds are doing great business. I’ve got my market and I make the best of it.

The classic song from Gloria Gaynor comes to mind:

I am what I am
I don't want praise I don't want pity
I bang my own drum
Some think it's noise I think it's pretty
And so what if I love each sparkle and each bangle
Why not try to see things from a different angle
Your life is a shame til you can shout out 
I am what I am

I think that says it all…

I am in agreement with all that. 

I wasn’t trying to make it like I’m fixated on what is considered “desirable” in the market because, I realize I have my own following to entertain and that’s sufficient.

I guess I was just feeling some type of way, and making sure I can understand the perception of it all. I still wish things were a bit balanced, You citing age differences isn’t really as biased as race based differences. A 23 year old White escort and a 23 year old Black escort may still experience a different experience regardless.

[Jamie21]

38 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I am in agreement with all that. 

I wasn’t trying to make it like I’m fixated on what is considered “desirable” in the market because, I realize I have my own following to entertain and that’s sufficient.

I guess I was just feeling some type of way, and making sure I can understand the perception of it all. I still wish things were a bit balanced, You citing age differences isn’t really as biased as race based differences. A 23 year old White escort and a 23 year old Black escort may still experience a different experience regardless.

Yes there’s still a race element to how people are treated. Aside from peoples sexual preferences for a certain type of body which includes skin colour, complexion, hairy or smooth etc there’s the layer of prejudice that comes into play against some races unfortunately. It’s evident outside of the sex industry so there’s no reason to assume it doesn’t come into play inside it too. 

It’s a shame because even if one isn’t making choices on prejudice, but you just like say… Asian guys for sexual partners it’s actually enlightening to go beyond the initial physical attraction and choose guys you’d not necessarily be immediately physically attracted to. So try out non Asian guys.

What you find is that great sex (and more) can happen with someone who isn’t your normally preferred type. Go beyond the physical and get to know the person under the skin colour, and the attraction can be found. Attraction beyond the superficiality of physical attributes can be stronger and more interesting. I always think the brain is the biggest sex organ.

It’s a pity that prejudice on racial grounds prevents many people from getting to know people who they’d really have a great time with if only they’d open their mind (and of course ‘pity’ is an understatement in my very English way 🙂). 
 

[Storm4U]

On 2/18/2022 at 10:51 PM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Because what you did: was say, “other black guys are in the business and doing well”…which insinuated that I’m not. That’s why I corrected you. On top of that, @Storm4U just said in another thread, that he quit his Massage business. Idk what his particular reasons for it was, whether it was because business related or not, but obviously it’s some indication that some providers have reasons for leaving.

 

I have had no choice but to step away from massage because my 9-5 job is about 40 hrs a week, my social media business is taking up another 15 hours. My social media business is on track to replace my 9-5 income and massage income combined, but it’s requiring a little more hand holding right now, which means I’m not available for massage like I was just a couple of months ago. Any free time I have, I want to relax. I thought I might do massage for another year, but id rather focus on my other business because it’s way more lucrative and hopefully a year from now it will be more passive income, which is the goal. Massage will never be passive.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Storm4U

[Storm4U]

On 2/18/2022 at 10:51 PM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

They “gotta” be White because that’s who it is I’m referencing in this particular discussion. Plain and simple. It’s not racial generalizations, it’s the actual demographic that make up the majority of timewasters and bullshit mother fuckers who have proven to be such

 

Yikes…i’m not sure if you will receive this in the spirit im intending it, but I would challenge you to look at the problem you are having with time-wasters differently. First of all, I empathize with you & I feel I can speak on this because I have managed to do really well in one of the flakiest, most saturated cities in the US (LA). If you want to P.M.  me for advice, Im happy to give feedback when I can by the way. Im not on here as often these days but I do login. That being said, Im sure it depends on the demographics of the location, and I can only speak from my experience, but I think in most territories, most of the clients are white, so most of the flakes, and time wasters you experience are going to be….you guessed it….also white. But you’ll have flakes in every color. The first few Black clients I had flaked on me consecutively and I started thinking Black clients are flakey, and then I got some really great  Black clients and I learned that it wasn’t a color issue at all, it’s just that flakes are just a part of the business. And it was a coincidence that 3 in a row flaked. But many more didn’t.
 

I also noticed you changed the title of this question from “white” to “all american” and I think you have to be very clear if you are suggesting that it may be a color thing you are experiencing since as you may have noticed from the responses, white and all American are not always synonymous. White is relegated to color, while All American lends itself to many characteristics that have nothing to do with color as others have described in their answers as well…and that could change the type of answers you get to your question. For example, if you’re in a city where the “all American” look is more popular, and you have that look, and there is a white guy  in the area that doesn’t have that look, (assuming your marketing and everything is good), then you are going to bring in more business than he will. With that being said, if you get too frustrated with the time-wasters and flakes, I think it is healthy to take a break from the business.
 

Also, you have to remember that you are a product, so if your product is good and it’s being marketed the right way to the right demographic in the right territory, it will do well regardless of the number of flakes that you will inevitably encounter. If you have it all together and you feel like the flakes are outnumbering the bookings, then that is your sign to move as quickly as you can, and it sounds like you’ve already figured out your location is bad for your business.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Storm4U

[Storm4U]

On 2/17/2022 at 4:32 PM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 So, obviously, there’s guys who’s success is assisted by their main job: which isn’t bad, BUT the real test of success is going to be who can do this as their main or sole job, and feel the same way. 

 

I would challenge you to look at this differently as well. When I talk about my own experience & success doing massage in LA, I am not including my other sources of income in that at all. As you noted, many of us have posted that we are or were providers or masseurs on a part-time basis because… really that is the smartest way to do it given that it is such an unpredictable business. If recessions and Covid teach anybody anything it is that they should have multiple sources of income, ideally passive sources of income (I’m working on the passive part). I have a 9 to 5 job, a social media business, and stocks, in addition to when I was doing massage. Given the direction that our economy is going in, it may behoove you to consider diversifying and not having all of your eggs in one basket. Based on your posts it sounds like being a provider is your only source of income. Everyone can define success differently, BUT I don’t think that whether someone can be a provider as their only or main source of income is the metric for if they are successful  because many people and arguably the wisest ones don’t  and won’t  want it to be their only or main source of income. If they have a certain amount they want to make from it, and they hit that goal, then they are successful.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Storm4U

[Jarrod_Uncut]

 

15 hours ago, Storm4U said:

Yikes…i’m not sure if you will receive this in the spirit im intending it, but I would challenge you to look at the problem you are having with time-wasters differently. First of all, I empathize with you & I feel I can speak on this because I have managed to do really well in one of the flakiest, most saturated cities in the US (LA). If you want to P.M.  me for advice, Im happy to give feedback when I can by the way. Im not on here as often these days but I do login. That being said, Im sure it depends on the demographics of the location, and I can only speak from my experience, but I think in most territories, most of the clients are white, so most of the flakes, and time wasters you experience are going to be….you guessed it….also white. But you’ll have flakes in every color. The first few Black clients I had flaked on me consecutively and I started thinking Black clients are flakey, and then I got some really great  Black clients and I learned that it wasn’t a color issue at all, it’s just that flakes are just a part of the business. And it was a coincidence that 3 in a row flaked. But many more didn’t.
 

I also noticed you changed the title of this question from “white” to “all american” and I think you have to be very clear if you are suggesting that it may be a color thing you are experiencing since as you may have noticed from the responses, white and all American are not always synonymous. White is relegated to color, while All American lends itself to many characteristics that have nothing to do with color as others have described in their answers as well…and that could change the type of answers you get to your question. For example, if you’re in a city where the “all American” look is more popular, and you have that look, and there is a white guy  in the area that doesn’t have that look, (assuming your marketing and everything is good), then you are going to bring in more business than he will. With that being said, if you get too frustrated with the time-wasters and flakes, I think it is healthy to take a break from the business.
 

Also, you have to remember that you are a product, so if your product is good and it’s being marketed the right way to the right demographic in the right territory, it will do well regardless of the number of flakes that you will inevitably encounter. If you have it all together and you feel like the flakes are outnumbering the bookings, then that is your sign to move as quickly as you can, and it sounds like you’ve already figured out your location is bad for your business.

Okay let me just first clear the air on something, because I don’t want to spend much time addressing it: This site’s well thought design made it easy that I didn’t have to look far to find who I was referring to. By “all American” I mean: 

I know that’s doesn’t “define” All American” (that could be any and every native-born American) but it’s similar to the grocery stores: The “international food” section and the “ethnic hair” section is generally a “safe” way of saying Chinese/Mexican/Black without necessarily “referring” to that. We have to be very politically correct when discussing race lol. 

Edited February 23, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

 

On 2/22/2022 at 10:04 PM, Storm4U said:

I would challenge you to look at this differently as well. When I talk about my own experience & success doing massage in LA, I am not including my other sources of income in that at all. As you noted, many of us have posted that we are or were providers or masseurs on a part-time basis because… really that is the smartest way to do it given that it is such an unpredictable business. If recessions and Covid teach anybody anything it is that they should have multiple sources of income, ideally passive sources of income (I’m working on the passive part). I have a 9 to 5 job, a social media business, and stocks, in addition to when I was doing massage. Given the direction that our economy is going in, it may behoove you to consider diversifying and not having all of your eggs in one basket. Based on your posts it sounds like being a provider is your only source of income. Everyone can define success differently, BUT I don’t think that whether someone can be a provider as their only or main source of income is the metric for if they are successful  because many people and arguably the wisest ones don’t  and won’t  want it to be their only or main source of income. If they have a certain amount they want to make from it, and they hit that goal, then they are successful.

I appreciate your point of view, I really do. But: I don’t really need to see it differently based on what I already said. I already clarified: everyone’s definition of success in escorting will vary. And if that person has a separate income stream, what they may be happy with may not suit someone who’s doing it full time. One guy working a 9 to 5 may be okay with 1 or 2 clients a week. Someone doing this full time may wish to see 3 or 4 clients a week. If the full time escort is only getting the amount of bookings the part time escort is getting: that’s not going to be the same perspective. And that’s not taking into consideration many times, it’s never “per” week but more of an “average”. 
 

At the end of the day: if someone wants to do a 9 to 5 and escort, more power to them. You’re insinuating it’s a wiser choice, which respectably, it can be for different reasons. However that doesn’t speak for everyone. For example: the other day on a MONDAY (hypothetical work day), I had a client who contacted me at 11:45 a.m. in a city at a hotel I was at (I’m getting ready to checkout at 12:30 because if I’m just visiting a small market just to take clients, if I don’t get any word by mid-morning, I don’t want to chance paying for an extra day without having any bookings). I’ve done that many times, and it’s a gamble and a waste of money. 

Now, this will also tie into your “flake” discussion, but I’m just going to show you it’s not just the flakiness, but the level of stupidity some of these guys are on. He contacts saying, “hi welcome back to town”. Mind you, I’ve never met the guy, but he did contact me previously. Last time he pussied out when I asked for a deposit to arrange a session. So this time, I reminded him again: And I told him; “I can meet you, but last time you had an issue with my deposit policy. If you want to meet, you need to be here by 12:30. He’s like, okay yeah I can be there by then. I send map with approximate location and the blue dot. Sure enough, he’s like, “oh I can’t make it there by 12:30, I thought you were downtown”. And I’m like okay, I can give you until 1, but you need to send the deposit so I know you’re coming. He’s like, “oh I’m not comfortable with sending that”.

Obviously he didn’t forget what my policy is, and it’s there in the ad. But as it relates, if I had a regular 9 to 5, I wouldn’t be able to see him anyway because many times, people want to book the daytime sessions…and unless it’s a night time job (which is often common with restaurant/retail), there could be a lot of bookings missed between the hours of 9 to 5. So if I take that route, it would make it very part time. I’d just be taking the occasional night time bookings when they come, which isn’t very often in places like Kansas City and St. Louis and other “closeted” markets.

At the same time, I agree wholeheartedly that it’s tough out here. The whole male escort/masseur market has been consolidated onto just a couple of platforms: RentMen/RentMasseur with a handful of copy profile sites. So when I get into my next market, I likely will pick up a side job to cover the bases. 

Edited February 24, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[marylander1940]

I don't know if it appeals to all and what exactly it means but most white escorts tell me many Asian clients only hire white escorts as Abercrombie & Fitch looking as possible.

[marylander1940]

4 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

Okay let me just first clear the air on something, because I don’t want to spend much time addressing it: This site’s well thought design made it easy that I didn’t have to look far to find who I was referring to. By “all American” I mean: 

I know that’s doesn’t “define” All American” (that could be any and every native-born American) but it’s similar to the grocery stores: The “international food” section and the “ethnic hair” section is generally a “safe” way of saying Chinese/Mexican/Black without necessarily “referring” to that. We have to be very politically correct when discussing race lol. 

with that clothing more than All American he's like a redneck and blue-collar fantasy! 

A famous New Orleans escort plays that role pretty good!

[Jarrod_Uncut]

5 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

I don't know if it appeals to all and what exactly it means but most white escorts tell me many Asian clients only hire white escorts as Abercrombie & Fitch looking as possible.

I just gotta joke with you: Asian can be anywhere from Russia to China to India to Saudi. So, you have to specify which All-Asian look you're referring to 😉

But if you're talking about China/Japan/Vietnam/Laos...I can see that especially in the west coast, but I've seen a good number of "East Asian" clients. So, don't be fooled into believing that Asian guys only go for White guys. Plus (and this is no invitation to an argument or debate), like I said earlier...I believe "all American" guys have a tendency to generalize on certain subjects. So, you can't just hear from one "type" of source. I have one locally who often hits me up.

However there is a truth in that, especially on the west coast. I've been to San Diego, Los Angeles and San Fran a few times, but hadn't met any Asian clients there. But in Saint Louis I had 1 Asian client and 2 Asian friend with benefit.

 

[Aaron_Bauder]

On 2/3/2022 at 8:23 AM, BenjaminNicholas said:

Ultimately, what this comes down to is preference 

A preference is "I like X, but I enjoy Y" more. Not "I won't even consider X." That's total exclusion, not preference. 

Writing off and excluding entire races based on race is racialized exclusion. White supremecy is still a major thing among Americans and American gays, especially ages millennial and up, who were brainwashed by Sean Cody, Bel Ami, and Corbin Fisher to only find white jocks with abs attractive. But American gays love to think of themselves as open-minded, progressive, LoveIsLove stans so they try to sugarcoat social segregation as "preference" and delude themselves that if they're just nice about it and hide it, that makes it okay. Whatever. I guess it's progress from the gross NO BLACKS NO ASIANS days. 

The sexual thing is meh (fuck whomever you want) but I'm disturbed that in the US, even in diverse cities like Los Angeles, *friend* groups are racially segregated. 

It's changing with Zoomer gays, who actually are as open-minded and non-racist as millennial gays pretend to be. In the meantime, I suggest black providers travel internationally where the white supremacy thing is less prevalent. There still, but as bad.

For Asians, I dunno. Even in my extensive travels I've seen and heard too much derogatory anti-Asian crap. I don't know where in the West that Asians can escape the hate, but for hot black America gays/providers: go to Europe. You get treated there the way mediocre white gays get treated in America. 

 

Edited June 5, 2022 by Aaron_Bauder