Providers - problems with racism?

[+ DrownedBoy]

I'm asking because, during this pandemic season, I've been staying away from Chicago and working from my place in a more rural area in Wisconsin.

Unfortunately, while this area is more relaxing and safer from germs, it's also MAGA country (farmers in the area still have their Trump/Pence signs up) and almost entirely Caucasian. I've had providers of color decline to come, even when I've offered good (a large amount of) money for transportation.

One of my regulars, who is black, bluntly told me he'd be afraid to come here, because he might be shot.

For providers of different ethnic background - have you had such racist encounters in your work?

Edited November 14, 2021 by DrownedBoy

[Shawn Monroe]

Problems with racism occur right here on this very forum. You can absolutely believe that we experience it in work. 

[Shawn Monroe]

that said, you’ll have some people that have attractions that lean one way and political beliefs that lean another. You’ll find a lot of us will just…keep our mouths shut since we are getting paid. 

[Storm4U]

I don’t know if my experience is typical but I personally have never encountered racism while I’ve been working. Although, I’m aware you can find racism in any state, and any city if you look for it. I dont tour cities anymore but when I did, I had no concerns about going to any city, I just went where the clients were, regardless of the demographic makeup. I have clients on all ends of the political spectrum. A good client is a good client, so I never judge a city by its politically leanings or demographics. I selected the cities based on which areas would be most profitable for me and never experienced that kind of negativity. 

Edited November 15, 2021 by Storm4U

[+ Tygerscent]

11 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

I'm asking because, during this pandemic season, I've been staying away from Chicago and working from my place in a more rural area in Wisconsin.

Unfortunately, while this area is more relaxing and safer from germs, it's also MAGA country (farmers in the area still have their Trump/Pence signs up) and almost entirely Caucasian. I've had providers of color decline to come, even when I've offered good (a large amount of) money for transportation.

One of my regulars, who is black, bluntly told me he'd be afraid to come here, because he might be shot.

For providers of different ethnic background - have you had such racist encounters in your work?

I was born and raised in Wisconsin… As much as I love going back, your friend’s concern is something to consider~ 

 There is that Kyle Rittenhouse following~ 

[ArmyHands]

For me it was pure HELL  !!!!  potential clients would call me on my CELL with BLOCKED Numbers calling me the N-Word..

I fixed that problem... Now when people call me on my cell it's now FORWARD to my landline...

Soo now when calling my phones shows there CALLER ID and blocks PVT CALLS

Ever since I done this no more CRAZY calls.... 

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 11/14/2021 at 6:22 PM, DrownedBoy said:

I'm asking because, during this pandemic season, I've been staying away from Chicago and working from my place in a more rural area in Wisconsin.

Unfortunately, while this area is more relaxing and safer from germs, it's also MAGA country (farmers in the area still have their Trump/Pence signs up) and almost entirely Caucasian. I've had providers of color decline to come, even when I've offered good (a large amount of) money for transportation.

One of my regulars, who is black, bluntly told me he'd be afraid to come here, because he might be shot.

For providers of different ethnic background - have you had such racist encounters in your work?

Wow, what town in Wisconsin is that? I’ve been traveling there for years and gone to some of the more rural areas. I don’t feel it’s any imminent danger to go to the rural areas. I mean there’s the likelihood of being pulled over (I was once stopped 3 times in 24 hours traveling between Milwaukee and some rural parts, but for odd reasoning).

That said: I would say this, racism in the industry isn’t always as “Black and White” as ”not liking” a person. It can come in different forms. Even a client who likes an escort of color, may be racist in ways that seem cordial at first. 
 

 

[jeezifonly]

Can the one traveling, regardless of race or provider/client, ask his host:

hey I’m discreet but I don’t know the area, is there any reason to think your neighbors might not be cool with my presence?

Edited November 26, 2021 by jeezifonly

[+ MysticMenace]

On 11/14/2021 at 11:00 PM, Shawn Monroe said:

keep our mouths shut

oh no...love them mouths for kissing, oral, rimming, and all other fun stuff that requires the use of one's mouth 😉

[+ sync]

On 11/15/2021 at 12:08 AM, Storm4U said:

I don’t know if my experience is typical but I personally have never encountered racism while I’ve been working. Although, I’m aware you can find racism in any state, and any city if you look for it. I dont tour cities anymore but when I did, I had no concerns about going to any city, I just went where the clients were, regardless of the demographic makeup. I have clients on all ends of the political spectrum. A good client is a good client, so I never judge a city by its politically leanings or demographics. I selected the cities based on which areas would be most profitable for me and never experienced that kind of negativity. 

My only caveat is that recently there have been political initiatives that intentionally put wedges of fear, mistrust, and lies into our society that have bred a spectrum of hate that has made everyday activities more hazardous for people of color.

I admire your perspective, but I urge you to employ a bit more caution than you might have in the past.

 

[Storm4U]

On 11/26/2021 at 8:08 AM, sync said:

My only caveat is that recently there have been political initiatives that intentionally put wedges of fear, mistrust, and lies into our society that have bred a spectrum of hate that has made everyday activities more hazardous for people of color.

I admire your perspective, but I urge you to employ a bit more caution than you might have in the past.

 

I don't mean to be indelicate,I identify as Black, not a person of color  and I do not know what everyday activities are more uniquely hazardous today for Black people specifically (I cant speak on any other demographics).  I know there is a narrative out there but it isn’t supported by statistics. Regardless, as a masseur, you have to take precaution no matter what, regardless of your color. Bad things happen to providers and masseurs all the time, from the mundane, to sexual assault, and even murder. Stephen Port, a white man   murdered  at least 4 gay white escorts between to 2014 and 2015, and his victims being caucasian did not protect them from getting murdered. And that's just one example of countless of these things happening that are underreported, frankly. So, I never  suggested  anyone should not be cautious. Everyone has to be, because bad things can happen to all of us, but there is absolutely nothing to support the idea that a Black escort would be exposed to anymore danger than a white one.
 

Im speaking from my own experience that I have not had  problems with racism when 'Ive traveled. I still have to fly out of  state for some overnight clients, and I will continue to  do that, and I’m not going to employ a “unique” or special caution specifically for racism, as if the prospect of racism is worse than any of the many other bad things that could happen to a massuer. Im judicious and cautions, but I don't live in fear or make decisions rooted in it. The minute you do, is the minute you give your power away. Hell,  If I let the concern for racism deter me,  I would probably never leave the house, since you  could encounter that at your local grocery store. If I’m asked to travel somewhere and it makes sense business wise and I want to go, then I go. Rest assured, I am more than prepared for anyone who would be trouble for me regardless of the motives and I would encourage others to take their own precautions and use discernment  as they ALL should with ANY client.

Edited November 30, 2021 by Storm4U

[+ sync]

8 minutes ago, Storm4U said:

To put it bluntly, I identify as Black not a person of color  and I do not know what everyday activities are more uniquely hazardous today for Black people...I know there is a narrative out there, but it isn’t a narrative supported by statistics. Regardless, as a masseur, you have to take precaution no matter what, regardless of your color. Bad things happen to providers and masseurs all the time, from the mundane, to sexual assault, and even murder. Stephen Port, a white man   murdered  at least 4 gay white escorts between to 2014 and 2015 and the white skin of his victims did not protect them from getting murdered. And thats just one example of countless of these things happening that are underreported, frankly. So, I never said or suggested  anyone should not be cautious.
 

Im speaking from my own experience that I have not had  problems with racism when Ive traveled. I still have to fly out state for some overnight clients, and I will continue to  do that, and I’m not going to employ a “unique” or special caution for specifically for racism as if the prospect of racism is worse than any of the many other bad things that could happen to a massuer. Im judicious and cautions, but I dont live in fear or make decisions rooted in it. The minute you do, is the minute you give your power away. Hell,  If I let the concern for racism deter me,  I would probably never leave the house, since you  can encounter that at your local grocery store. If I’m asked to travel somewhere and it makes sense business wise and I want to go, then I go. Rest assured, I am more than prepared for anyone who would be trouble for me regardless of the motives and I would encourage others to take their own precautions and use discernment  as they should with ANY client.

To put it bluntly, I also identify as black.

If you are confident in your present sense of awareness and resources, by all means continue.

 

 

[RandyVue]

On 11/26/2021 at 4:16 PM, Storm4U said:

To put it bluntly, I identify as Black, not a person of color  and I do not know what everyday activities are more uniquely hazardous today for Black people specifically (I cant speak on any other demographics).  I know there is a narrative out there but it isn’t supported by statistics. Regardless, as a masseur, you have to take precaution no matter what, regardless of your color. Bad things happen to providers and masseurs all the time, from the mundane, to sexual assault, and even murder. Stephen Port, a white man   murdered  at least 4 gay white escorts between to 2014 and 2015, and his victims being caucasian did not protect them from getting murdered. And that's just one example of countless of these things happening that are underreported, frankly. So, I never  suggested  anyone should not be cautious. Everyone has to be, because bad things can happen to all of us, but there is absolutely nothing to support the idea that a Black escort would be exposed to anymore danger than a white one.
 

Im speaking from my own experience that I have not had  problems with racism when Ive traveled. I still have to fly out of  state for some overnight clients, and I will continue to  do that, and I’m not going to employ a “unique” or special caution specifically for racism, as if the prospect of racism is worse than any of the many other bad things that could happen to a massuer. Im judicious and cautions, but I dont live in fear or make decisions rooted in it. The minute you do, is the minute you give your power away. Hell,  If I let the concern for racism deter me,  I would probably never leave the house, since you  could encounter that at your local grocery store. If I’m asked to travel somewhere and it makes sense business wise and I want to go, then I go. Rest assured, I am more than prepared for anyone who would be trouble for me regardless of the motives and I would encourage others to take their own precautions and use discernment  as they ALL should with ANY client.

Very well said! You have such a healthy, wise, and mature perspective and outlook!

Edited November 30, 2021 by RandyVue

[jtwalker]

On 11/26/2021 at 7:16 PM, Storm4U said:

I don't mean to be indelicate,I identify as Black, not a person of color  and I do not know what everyday activities are more uniquely hazardous today for Black people specifically (I cant speak on any other demographics).  I know there is a narrative out there but it isn’t supported by statistics. Regardless, as a masseur, you have to take precaution no matter what, regardless of your color. Bad things happen to providers and masseurs all the time, from the mundane, to sexual assault, and even murder. Stephen Port, a white man   murdered  at least 4 gay white escorts between to 2014 and 2015, and his victims being caucasian did not protect them from getting murdered. And that's just one example of countless of these things happening that are underreported, frankly. So, I never  suggested  anyone should not be cautious. Everyone has to be, because bad things can happen to all of us, but there is absolutely nothing to support the idea that a Black escort would be exposed to anymore danger than a white one.
 

Im speaking from my own experience that I have not had  problems with racism when 'Ive traveled. I still have to fly out of  state for some overnight clients, and I will continue to  do that, and I’m not going to employ a “unique” or special caution specifically for racism, as if the prospect of racism is worse than any of the many other bad things that could happen to a massuer. Im judicious and cautions, but I don't live in fear or make decisions rooted in it. The minute you do, is the minute you give your power away. Hell,  If I let the concern for racism deter me,  I would probably never leave the house, since you  could encounter that at your local grocery store. If I’m asked to travel somewhere and it makes sense business wise and I want to go, then I go. Rest assured, I am more than prepared for anyone who would be trouble for me regardless of the motives and I would encourage others to take their own precautions and use discernment  as they ALL should with ANY client.

This may be the single best post I've ever read on this site.  Kudos to you!

[Storm4U]

18 hours ago, jtwalker said:

This may be the single best post I've ever read on this site.  Kudos to you!

Thank you! 😘

Edited December 1, 2021 by Storm4U

[Rocca]

On 11/26/2021 at 4:16 PM, Storm4U said:

I don't mean to be indelicate,I identify as Black, not a person of color  and I do not know what everyday activities are more uniquely hazardous today for Black people specifically (I cant speak on any other demographics).  I know there is a narrative out there but it isn’t supported by statistics. Regardless, as a masseur, you have to take precaution no matter what, regardless of your color. Bad things happen to providers and masseurs all the time, from the mundane, to sexual assault, and even murder. Stephen Port, a white man   murdered  at least 4 gay white escorts between to 2014 and 2015, and his victims being caucasian did not protect them from getting murdered. And that's just one example of countless of these things happening that are underreported, frankly. So, I never  suggested  anyone should not be cautious. Everyone has to be, because bad things can happen to all of us, but there is absolutely nothing to support the idea that a Black escort would be exposed to anymore danger than a white one.
 

Im speaking from my own experience that I have not had  problems with racism when 'Ive traveled. I still have to fly out of  state for some overnight clients, and I will continue to  do that, and I’m not going to employ a “unique” or special caution specifically for racism, as if the prospect of racism is worse than any of the many other bad things that could happen to a massuer. Im judicious and cautions, but I don't live in fear or make decisions rooted in it. The minute you do, is the minute you give your power away. Hell,  If I let the concern for racism deter me,  I would probably never leave the house, since you  could encounter that at your local grocery store. If I’m asked to travel somewhere and it makes sense business wise and I want to go, then I go. Rest assured, I am more than prepared for anyone who would be trouble for me regardless of the motives and I would encourage others to take their own precautions and use discernment  as they ALL should with ANY client.

Best comment I’ve read on this forum. Thank you for sharing this!👏🏻

Edited December 19, 2021 by Rocca

[+ IronMaus]

POC colleagues tell me its best to avoid prejudice-revealing topics with clients because its not worth the stress of trying to reason with them or worth losing future work over something that obviously didn't prevent them from being hired in the 1st place.  And if their is anything that can help a man become more accepting, its accepting cock 😆

It's not as easy for me to avoid these topics with clients - not only because I'm an opinionated know-it-all with a big mouth, but because of how my race presents a different situation than that of my POC colleagues.

White folk often assume other white folk want to hear about and will agree with their somehow unprejudiced grievances with POC or "liberal" politics - they also do it because they want to argue about it and can't (or won't) do that with POC. In the past few years clients have been much more likely to do this unsolicited. When offended by these beliefs, it kills my sex drive. At that point, I'm willing to lose further work with a client for the opportunity of changing their mind.

The way I see, if white men were to just let each other think and behave however they want...look where that has gotten us. More appropriately, look where that has gotten people unlike "us".

[+ DrownedBoy]

2 hours ago, IronMaus said:

White folk often assume other white folk want to hear about and will agree with their somehow unprejudiced grievances with POC or "liberal" politics.

Ha! I hired a white provider who did just this.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 11/26/2021 at 6:16 PM, Storm4U said:

I don't mean to be indelicate,I identify as Black, not a person of color  and I do not know what everyday activities are more uniquely hazardous today for Black people specifically (I cant speak on any other demographics).  I know there is a narrative out there but it isn’t supported by statistics. Regardless, as a masseur, you have to take precaution no matter what, regardless of your color. Bad things happen to providers and masseurs all the time, from the mundane, to sexual assault, and even murder. Stephen Port, a white man   murdered  at least 4 gay white escorts between to 2014 and 2015, and his victims being caucasian did not protect them from getting murdered. And that's just one example of countless of these things happening that are underreported, frankly. So, I never  suggested  anyone should not be cautious. Everyone has to be, because bad things can happen to all of us, but there is absolutely nothing to support the idea that a Black escort would be exposed to anymore danger than a white one.
 

Im speaking from my own experience that I have not had  problems with racism when 'Ive traveled. I still have to fly out of  state for some overnight clients, and I will continue to  do that, and I’m not going to employ a “unique” or special caution specifically for racism, as if the prospect of racism is worse than any of the many other bad things that could happen to a massuer. Im judicious and cautions, but I don't live in fear or make decisions rooted in it. The minute you do, is the minute you give your power away. Hell,  If I let the concern for racism deter me,  I would probably never leave the house, since you  could encounter that at your local grocery store. If I’m asked to travel somewhere and it makes sense business wise and I want to go, then I go. Rest assured, I am more than prepared for anyone who would be trouble for me regardless of the motives and I would encourage others to take their own precautions and use discernment  as they ALL should with ANY client.

I concurrently agree with you. Your point is valid.

However, I can’t help but feel you may be slightly erring on a side of “privilege” rather than “fact” in some things you say. You feel “it’s never happened to me, thus it shouldn’t exist”. Even if you may not have experienced something personally, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen to anyone.

I also don’t look at just the “dangerous” side of racism, but the “subtle and condescending” racism still exists. I can give examples even: There’s a client https://rent.men/Shanestur who contacted me, who had several great reviews from other providers on his profile. However, upon closer inspection of me clicking each escort who reviewed him: they were all White guys who reviewed him positively. 1 was a negative review, but the rest were fine.

However, his communication with me was far less than stellar. Not only did he text me a gif of a “stereotypical” Black woman as a “funny” excuse for taking hours to respond to an important message I sent him, but he flaked on the session and ignored messages to confirm the booking that he claimed he would attend in the morning. Which subsequently caused me to be inconvenienced in the process. And if all that wasn’t bad enough, when I tried to get him to take responsibility for his bullshit and flakiness, he had the nerve to blame me for his flaking out. 
 

THAT: is what I called racism. It’s not always the KKK, hanging on a tree racism that we read in history books. I view racism as things like clients being flaky, making like I don’t mean anything (superiority) and don’t deserve anything for my spent time. And from talks on the forum, it seems White providers deal with this less than those of other backgrounds, specifically Black.
 

It’s the disrespect and lack of consideration, that fuels racism towards certain sex workers. 

Edited December 25, 2021 by Jarrod_Uncut

[TT3690]

17 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I also don’t look at just the “dangerous” side of racism, but the “subtle and condescending” racism still exists. I can give examples even: There’s a client https://rent.men/Shanestur who contacted me, who had several great reviews from other providers on his profile. However, upon closer inspection of me clicking each escort who reviewed him: they were all White guys who reviewed him positively. 1 was a negative review, but the rest were fine.

 

Not to distract from the topic, but aren't the reviews in a client's profile what they have rated providers? I wasn't aware of a feature where clients could be rated.

[Luv2play]

I was under the same impression.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 12/25/2021 at 6:05 PM, TT3690 said:

 

Not to distract from the topic, but aren't the reviews in a client's profile what they have rated providers? I wasn't aware of a feature where clients could be rated.

Oh. I actually didn’t get that. I was under impression that the providers reviewed him. I do recall RM saying we are not able to review clients, which was confusing. Makes sense now.

But guess it goes to show even moreso…

[gkim1986]

On 12/26/2021 at 5:47 AM, Luv2play said:

I was under the same impression.

Same. :/

[jtwalker]

On 12/27/2021 at 1:18 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Oh. I actually didn’t get that. I was under impression that the providers reviewed him. I do recall RM saying we are not able to review clients, which was confusing. Makes sense now.

But guess it goes to show even moreso…

I do think you can get some sense of a client by how they rate others.  Especially if you use a VPN and see the comments.

If I was a provider, I would definitely reference this.  Someone who leaves a 1 star for 50% of the people they meet wouldn't be worth it to me.