Made the decision to go on partial "Rentamental" Shutdown(private pics)

[Jarrod_Uncut]

A little play on words, but not necessarily one that's been averted with a signature from the president 😄

But I have decided to remove all nude pics from my RentMasseur private gallery, and move all my nudes on RentMen to FULL private. I’ve toyed with this before previously, but this time I’m leaving it for good.

I feel I’ve done enough, too much free advertising to people out here who have 0 respect for my time or craft. I have been generous long enough, sharing my photos with potential “suitors”, but the time for that ends today. I’m not doing it anymore. If someone wants to see my private pics, they will need to:

1. Have an appointment, and/or

2. Pay a deposit

I’m just not doing it anymore. I don't feel people out here aren't considerate about the work and advertising that goes into being on the site. I’m only dealing with clients on a very “reserved” basis going forward. As in, those who are reserved will receive the material. The rest don’t appreciate it and I’m tired of having my time wasted and disrespected week, after week. Day after day. Over and over again. 

Edited October 5, 2021 by Jarrod_Uncut

[jeezifonly]

27 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

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I’m only dealing with clients on a very “reserved” basis going forward. Non of this bullshit of “advertising”. They don’t appreciate it and I’m tired of having my time wasted and disrespected week, after week. Day after day. Over and over again. 

Excellent idea. No doubt your profile will then validate the “reservations” many suitors may have. 

🥸

[+ augustus]

@Jarrod_Uncut   I feel for you.   Voyeurism is annoying and you got bills to pay.   Some people need to get a life.

[Guest]

Even my CPA and Attorney spent time with me assessing my needs and establishing compatibility before they charged me for professional services.  

this topic certainly wasn’t what I expected by the headline, but alas, I think the parallel applies to your situation.  Good luck though. 

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31 minutes ago, BnaC said:

Even my CPA and Attorney spent time with me assessing my needs and establishing compatibility before they charged me for professional services.  

this topic certainly wasn’t what I expected by the headline, but alas, I think the parallel applies to your situation.  Good luck though. 

Yah but your attorney and accountant isn’t showing you nude pictures of themselves though, are they? I can do all of that, without necessarily giving away free material in the process. That’s what I feel like I’m doing.

Today was the straw that broke the 🐫 back. To see this sorry excuse for a RentMen client (who I’ve actually met before but way back in December because he’s been too much of a prick to follow thru) have the audacity to send me a photo of a wad of money after he NO SHOWED for the idk how many attempted times, when I told him I wasn’t going to be accepting anymore bookings from him. After he lied about being free all day, and then telling me he’d call on his “lunch break” (and never did, just like the day before and then with another excuse).

And then another client, having the audacity to gaslight me into believing we never had an appointment…when I sat there and specifically contacted him repeatedly last Sunday, and he didn’t respond the night before when I asked him to confirm nor the whole day Sunday?? (Also lied and said he would be free all day, and wasn’t). This is after he reached out to me, and seemed eager to see me when I came to town.

I have no other options. The only way to level up with these guys, is to start cutting back. They don’t appreciate it, so I’m not motivated to keep sharing my talent and art for some ass wipe who can’t even keep a simple word.

Edited October 1, 2021 by Jarrod_Uncut

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30 minutes ago, augustus said:

@Jarrod_Uncut   I feel for you.   Voyeurism is annoying and you got bills to pay.   Some people need to get a life.

So true…

And because of that I feel it’s time draw away from, yet also imitate apps like Grindr: no you don’t get full nudes laid out. You have to ask and request. But instead of just handing them out freely, I’ll only be doing that for clients with confirmed appointments.

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Yah but your attorney and accountant isn’t showing you nude pictures of themselves though, are they? I can do all of that, without necessarily giving away free material in the process. That’s what I feel like I’m doing.

Today was the straw that broke the 🐫 back. To see this sorry excuse for a RentMen client (who I’ve actually met before but way back in December because he’s been too much of a prick to follow thru) have the audacity to send me a photo of a wad of money after he NO SHOWED for the idk how many attempted times, when I told him I wasn’t going to be accepting anymore bookings from him. After he lied about being free all day, and then telling me he’d call on his “lunch break” (and never did, just like the day before and then with another excuse).

And then another client, having the audacity to gaslight me into believing we never had an appointment…when I sat there and specifically contacted him repeatedly last Sunday, and he didn’t respond the night before when I asked him to confirm nor the whole day Sunday?? (Also lied and said he would be free all day, and wasn’t). This is after he reached out to me, and seemed eager to see me when I came to town.

I have no other options. The only way to level up with these guys, is to start cutting back. They don’t appreciate it, so I’m not motivated to keep sharing my talent and art for some ass wipe who can’t even keep a simple word.

I’m sorry for your bad experience.  There’s little room for rude people in happy life.   But rude people exist nonetheless.  So don’t get dragged down to the lowest common denominator.  You are clearly wired toward active rather than passive response.  In that bias, be careful to not throw out the baby with the bath water.  Good luck. 

[+ bigjoey]

Sorry for your experience but welcome to the world of commerce where customers are not all ethical and can abuse “merchants” (you are selling your time and skills).

How long have potential customers been abusing merchants?  At least since ancient Babylon😱.  The Talmud which is about two thousand years old prohibits a potential customer from wasting a merchants time👍😇.  From this ruling, it can be inferred this customer action was a problem in Biblical times!  Sadly, the problem continues to this day.😥

[dbar123]

No soup for you!!!

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21 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

... If someone wants to see my private pics, they will need to:

1. Have an appointment, and/or

2. Pay a deposit

...

I'm not sure how this is supposed to be helpful for you. If anything, I'm guessing it might hurt your business. 

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3 hours ago, Unicorn said:

I'm not sure how this is supposed to be helpful for you. If anything, I'm guessing it might hurt your business. 

Actually not. Because I’ve not done that for the duration of the past year, and MoFos still come with the constant bull shit. I’ve been pushed to a level where I have no choice but to cut back. Why am I going to sit here and argue with a client who seems to actually believe that we didn’t have any plans or intent to meet (referring to the ones who fail to show up on the day requested), while he gets to still have free access to my photos? Absolutely not. I refuse. It defeats the purpose of being a sex worker. I might as well just be posting on Adam4Adam with the sea of dicks and asses. (And as a matter of fact, I advertise as a pro there, but I long ago stopped posting nude pics publicly. It’s all private now and I only unlock if I see they’re serious)
 

I’m tired of catering to people who have no respect or consideration for the content I put out. If they aren’t booking appointments, then they aren’t entitled to free samples. 

Edited October 2, 2021 by Jarrod_Uncut

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22 hours ago, bigjoey said:

Sorry for your experience but welcome to the world of commerce where customers are not all ethical and can abuse “merchants” (you are selling your time and skills).

How long have potential customers been abusing merchants?  At least since ancient Babylon😱.  The Talmud which is about two thousand years old prohibits a potential customer from wasting a merchants time👍😇.  From this ruling, it can be inferred this customer action was a problem in Biblical times!  Sadly, the problem continues to this day.😥

Good historical notation! 
 

And I’ll just play Devil’s advocate: I understand there a certain amount of inquiry or potential time waste involved when dealing with merchants. Even now, I try not to waste business’s time, but I may walk away from a business I inquired about. It’s a hard (yet conveniently easy) world out here for customers: there’s choices and options on every corner, money is unpredictable, there’s fear, there’s reluctance, you want the best service for your money…it’s hard out there. 
 

But: we as sex workers give out SOOOOO much free info beforehand. We shouldn’t be made to feel like we have to high pressure sell a client into keeping an appointment that HE reached out to arrange. We’re not going around calling them, they’re calling us. Which means: by the time they reach out to us, they should have done enough research to feel content with following thru (except lack of rates and DETAILED rate structure in our ads, which are the biggest threat to the client/escort initiation right now): eliminating any doubts.

Problem is: many of these guys don’t take the time to read our ads and get the necessary info. They look at pictures, and then click the number. As if it’s supposed to be that simple. 

[jeezifonly]

[MscleLovr]

@Jarrod_Uncut I can understand your need to vent when your time is wasted and clients prove difficult, but how does this post (and other previous complaints) enhance your business prospects?
 

I’m not being sarcastic but if this line of work is so uncongenial for you, wouldn’t it be better to consider another occupation?

[+ bigjoey]

4 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Good historical notation! 
 

And I’ll just play Devil’s advocate: I understand there a certain amount of inquiry or potential time waste involved when dealing with merchants. Even now, I try not to waste business’s time, but I may walk away from a business I inquired about. It’s a hard (yet conveniently easy) world out here for customers: there’s choices and options on every corner, money is unpredictable, there’s fear, there’s reluctance, you want the best service for your money…it’s hard out there. 
 

But: we as sex workers give out SOOOOO much free info beforehand. We shouldn’t be made to feel like we have to high pressure sell a client into keeping an appointment that HE reached out to arrange. We’re not going around calling them, they’re calling us. Which means: by the time they reach out to us, they should have done enough research to feel content with following thru (except lack of rates and DETAILED rate structure in our ads, which are the biggest threat to the client/escort initiation right now): eliminating any doubts.

Problem is: many of these guys don’t take the time to read our ads and get the necessary info. They look at pictures, and then click the number. As if it’s supposed to be that simple. 

I think you missed the Talmudic nuance: intent.  If the person who seems to be a buyer has no intent to actually make a purchase but is really only “window shopping” for entertainment, that is wrong.  If a potential buyer and seller do not reach an agreement for legitimate reasons, that is OK.  A practical application:

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3227508/jewish/May-I-Shop-in-a-Store-and-Then-Purchase-for-Cheaper-Online.htm
 

[EastCoastBtm]

@Jarrod_Uncut 

Just a suggestion for another angle/path....

I fully appreciate that endless chat, guys probably looking for sex chat, and all the other reasons you list for a change in tactics. They are entirely valid and justified. At the same time, pics and profiles just aren't enough for me to 'get the chemistry' I need to ensure a good time can be had by all. 

So my suggestion is - GET PAID TO TEXT/CHAT.  I ask like 4 or 5 questions of a provider, usually getting right to the point of what I want and like in a provider.  If I am feeling a vibe, I then offer $100-$200 to chat more with the expectation that we will chat for a few hours, on and off, when the provider has time, etc., in some cases asking for the provider to apply 50% back of the 'chat fees' to a session if we have one.  I think almost every guy has taken me up on the offer with the exception of the 'cash in person' guys.  I like talking about sex, especially with someone I may be having sex with.  Three guys have become awesome 'regulars' because they were willing to take a little something upfront to chat with me about sex and other stuff.

I'm willing to invest to ensure my (and hopefully the providers' mutual) pleasure.  You getting something for your time hopefully lowers your resentment and helps you weed out the serious potential clients from the time wasters.

Just a thought.

Edited October 2, 2021 by EastCoastBtm
Rearranged some sentences and added a bit

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 10/2/2021 at 5:32 AM, MscleLovr said:

@Jarrod_Uncut I can understand your need to vent when your time is wasted and clients prove difficult, but how does this post (and other previous complaints) enhance your business prospects?
 

I’m not being sarcastic but if this line of work is so uncongenial for you, wouldn’t it be better to consider another occupation?

Granted: this post isn’t an advertisement. It’s not meant to enhance business prospects (after all, life isn’t all about saying things to please and appease others, is it?). It’s simply meant to allow others to see things from a different perspective and point of view. Hopefully one that is: if others continue to abuse the courtesy and aren’t considerate to my time: then it’s going to force me to cut back considerably on free samples and nude pics. 

Edited October 5, 2021 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 10/2/2021 at 11:30 AM, EastCoastBtm said:

@Jarrod_Uncut 

Just a suggestion for another angle/path....

I fully appreciate that endless chat, guys probably looking for sex chat, and all the other reasons you list for a change in tactics. They are entirely valid and justified. At the same time, pics and profiles just aren't enough for me to 'get the chemistry' I need to ensure a good time can be had by all. 

So my suggestion is - GET PAID TO TEXT/CHAT.  I ask like 4 or 5 questions of a provider, usually getting right to the point of what I want and like in a provider.  If I am feeling a vibe, I then offer $100-$200 to chat more with the expectation that we will chat for a few hours, on and off, when the provider has time, etc., in some cases asking for the provider to apply 50% back of the 'chat fees' to a session if we have one.  I think almost every guy has taken me up on the offer with the exception of the 'cash in person' guys.  I like talking about sex, especially with someone I may be having sex with.  Three guys have become awesome 'regulars' because they were willing to take a little something upfront to chat with me about sex and other stuff.

I'm willing to invest to ensure my (and hopefully the providers' mutual) pleasure.  You getting something for your time hopefully lowers your resentment and helps you weed out the serious potential clients from the time wasters.

Just a thought.

I’m definitely down for this idea. Issue is: few (non) have actually offered it though without my asking. Though I have proposed the idea on the forum previously (and even put it into practice). Some were flustered that I even suggested the idea that in order to engage a chat, I’d need a deposit. 
 

While I’m still requiring deposits for certain bookings, I’ve eased up a bit. BUT, that easing up often comes with BSers that coulda been weeded out with the deposits. Just like a client I was dealing with last weekend: I asked for deposit to confirm, he wouldn’t respond. Sure enough…he flaked. And then when I tried to hold him accountable, he became a bitch about it. Just completely inconsiderate and rude. And it’s people like that, which is the reason why I’m cutting back. 
 

At the end of the day, I really don’t need to advertise nude pics to get bookings. It’s just not necessary. I was doing it because I like the sauciness of it, and I wanted clients to know and have an extra reason to make that step. But now, I feel it’s been so abused that I can’t go back. I’ve even written notes on both of my ads explaining why this is the case. They’ll understand. 

Edited October 5, 2021 by Jarrod_Uncut

[jeezifonly]

[BuffaloKyle]

There are a ton of guys on rentmen who have all their xxx pics in their private gallery so not unreasonable at all. And actually with me it's not even a necessity I see everything beforehand. As long as I see a face pic and a decent body shot. It can be a nice thrill to not see a cock or ass of someone until in person.

[Epigonos]

I must say that I’m not terribly sympathetic with your thinking.  The issue about which you complain is endemic to your choice of profession.  It simply comes with the occupation. Many of the guy who peruse Rentmen have no intention of hiring, however, there is really no way of differentiating the looky-loos from the serious.  You can try on insisting that that those who want to see your private gallery make an appointment or pay a deposit but GOOD LUCK.  I, for example, have been hiring for over twenty years and if I am seriously considering hiring a guy who has a private gallery, I expect to see those photographs early in our planning.  Furthermore, it will be a cold day in hell when I make an appointment prior to seeing his private gallery and I NEVER pay a deposit.  Additionally, I’m convinced that I’m not the only one on this site who thinks this way.  In conclusion I wish you the best of luck and stay safe.-

Edited October 6, 2021 by Epigonos

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35 minutes ago, Epigonos said:

I must say that I’m not terribly sympathetic with your thinking.  The issue about which you complain is endemic to your choice of profession.  It simply comes with the occupation. Many of the guy who peruse Rentmen have no intention of hiring, however, there is really no way of differentiating between the looky-loos from the serious.  You can try on insisting that that those who want to see your private gallery make an appointment or pay a deposit but GOOD LUCK.  I, for example, have been hiring for over twenty years and if I am seriously considering hiring a guy who has a private gallery, I expect to see those photographs early in our planning.  Furthermore, it will be a cold day in hell when I make an appointment prior to seeing his private gallery and I NEVER pay a deposit.  Additionally, I’m convinced that I’m not the only one on this site who thinks this way.  In conclusion I wish you the best of luck and stay safe.-

 

Thanks for contributing. 

I can see your point about having a confirmed session, and in which case I suppose I can redefine that to more of "must be booking (as in, in the process of) booking a session. That means, far along enough in the interview process, like having basic info like rates, location and availability. 

It's really no different than how it is nowadays. The gay hookup culture has been overtaken by hookup apps: and no hookup app out there allows private pics in public. So...if anything me having privates out openly is a privilege to others, not their right to see. I know that technically, we "should" want to be able to post pics nude. Without a site being dictated by any sort of censoring laws and such. BUT...

That doesn't mean I have to do it, if i don't want to. On top of that, I'm not even in a market that's very open minded. Majority of the escorts in smaller markets don't even have avatar nude pics. So, it's already being marketed to a fairly conservative base to begin with.

As I understand it: you're in Los Angeles. You're used to seeing anything and everything under the sun....but it doesn't have to be that way everywhere. As for paying deposit: again, people can go on and on about it. I just know the feeling all too well. At the same time, I'll have to figure out ways to make it agreeable in the long run. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

3 hours ago, BuffaloKyle said:

There are a ton of guys on rentmen who have all their xxx pics in their private gallery so not unreasonable at all. And actually with me it's not even a necessity I see everything beforehand. As long as I see a face pic and a decent body shot. It can be a nice thrill to not see a cock or ass of someone until in person.

My point exactly. Now I will say from personal experience: SOME of those dick-less pics may be stolen from Instagram accounts, and being used by someone else completely different. However, I have decided for now to keep some of my videos up, for that reason partly. However I understand clients have to be members to see those videos (although even certified Rentmen clients can be flakes and phonies too). 

However I'm considering deleting all and leaving just like 2 or 3. Afterall, what's the point of having my just forfans account?

And also @Epigonos I wanted to add too: that's the problem also. There's no incentive by the site to really post nudes. We aren't getting credits to our ads or payment based on the number of guys look at our private gallery. So, even though it may not be "fun", at the end of the day... there's not much in it for us to be sharing these pictures.

And going forward, my next photo shoots are going to include less nudity and more just general fitness photos.

[xyz48B]

On 10/1/2021 at 4:05 AM, BnaC said:

Even my CPA and Attorney spent time with me assessing my needs and establishing compatibility before they charged me for professional services.  

this topic certainly wasn’t what I expected by the headline, but alas, I think the parallel applies to your situation.  Good luck though. 

Any time you attempt to say some other profession or situation is “like” escorting, you’ll have people on here ready to pounce and explain why not. They will be quick to say they’re not the same. Of course “like” doesn’t mean one-for-one the same, but you will face such backlash. The notion here among many is that because escorts are largely goodlooking men who provide a much sought-for service, they are given carte blanche to set whatever terms they wish for their services and expect no one to think it’s unacceptable. Of course, not everyone here, not even all escorts here, feel this way, but many a vocal one does. But whatever the case, drawing parallels or seeing relationships between escorting services and any other (service) business will earn you the flack of quite a few providers and clients on this forum. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, xyz48B said:

Any time you attempt to say some other profession or situation is “like” escorting, you’ll have people on here ready to pounce and explain why not. They will be quick to say they’re not the same. Of course “like” doesn’t mean one-for-one the same, but you will face such backlash. The notion here among many is that because escorts are largely goodlooking men who provide a much sought-for service, they are given carte blanche to set whatever terms they wish for their services and expect no one to think it’s unacceptable. Of course, not everyone here, not even all escorts here, feel this way, but many a vocal one does. But whatever the case, drawing parallels or seeing relationships between escorting services and any other (service) business will earn you the flack of quite a few providers and clients on this forum. 

I can deal with that.  But to me, it’s a service business.  Service businesses have similar attributes of success.  The service businesses that set their terms tend to be the ones with backlogs of anxious customers without enough hours in the day to meet demand.  Unfortunately, the OP does not seem to have this challenge but thinks he still sets terms of engagement.  But, as a self employed person, he can do it however he likes.