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5 hours ago, TorontoTwink said:

I'm getting a lot of time wasters, I literally had this guy say "Come to my yacht," and when I respond; they act dumb.

Lol, some prospective clients will pre-book and not even follow up. It's frustrating, but it's part of the gig.

As of right now, I'm only seeing vaccinated clients.

Thanks for answering.

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I’m really happy to see and kiss clients.  Seems like everyone who has inquired with me has been vaccinated, which gives me some peace of mind.

I agree that there is a ton of nonsense out there that most of us escorts are dealing with right now.  Way more time wasters and fake bookings than usual.  My patience is short for any inquiries that sound vague or wishy-washy these days as a result.

The thing that’s working out great for me right now is having a small circle of clients that book me regularly.  I’m very happy to meet new regular clients, whether they’re booking me once a week, once a month, or once a quarter.  I’m very excited to see them and appreciate the steady business from a lower number of individuals.

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I’m seeing clients, kissing them (if they want that) and doing everything as I used to. I don’t require them to be vaccinated. I’m double vaccinated so feel fairly confident and to be frank I think there’s risks of catching all sorts of infections anyway by doing this work. Obviously I take reasonable precautions (regular testing for Covid and other things, using prep etc) because I see Covid as just another risk that comes with close contact with other people. 
The main issue is that I’m having some clients cancel because of having to change plans due to having to isolate. It’s just part of how things are these days and I go with it. 

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Well as for me I really stop getting up in arms about cancellations or flakes I don't expect much unless they are actually on the road or have given me some legit confirmation. And besides that I know certain keywords that send red flags to me that signals flaking or bsing so really they aren't waisting my time only theirs sometimes I play the game with them sometimes I don't and just happily block . Luckily it's good to save money just in case you get some low days and have plenty of things to do outside of the game . The main thing I learned is don't count on clients 

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All good points. Idk how I feel these days. Some days (or even hour by hour) I’m riding high and confident, other times…I’m just so over people’s (clients) fucking bullshit. 
 

Like, I try to understand and be flexible. It’s a daunting task for guys to see a provider. Or sometimes people get busy or whatever the case may be. But goddamn, some clients can be such BAD COMMUNICATORS. Even previously met, actually good natured clients can do things that annoy me to an extent where I’m just like, I’m going to block you. I have 3 people right now on “block row” who I’m just debating if I could just go ahead and do it. But I try not to be a prick or burn bridges because I’ve done that too much lately.

Like just tonight, someone pissed me off. I told him earlier: I arrived to town, but I’m currently at a event, what time are you looking to arrange tonight? He says no rush and he’s open for rest of night. I text him later that I’m headed to the hotel now and if he can meet me in an hour: he says he can’t meet because of early meetings tomorrow.
 

I said, I asked you earlier what time you can meet, and you never specified you needed to meet by a certain time. If time was constrained, he should have said something either at that moment, or followed back up with me to mention it was getting late and he needed to meet by a certain time. Why do I have to fucking think for these guys and ask: IS THERE ANYTHING GOING ON TODAY OR TOMORROW THAT I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT???
 

So as I started to check into my hotel tonight for my 1st night on travel tour, I started to say to myself: I quit. I’m done. Knowing I can’t do that now, but I’m just so over it. And then in my local market, had 2 prospective clients reach out: neither followed thru. Some clients expect us to always be available the same day they contact us. Sometimes I am, but most of the times: Don’t expect it.

 

Then, it gets to a point where I feel I can never say no to a booking because if I try to schedule it for the next day, they’ll say yes: and then have some excuse as to why they can’t make it…which again: I understand things come up. It does on both sides. But I feel more like it’s a sign of just them not taking the interaction with much value, just if they are in the mood that moment, but no regard to the fact that we may actually have a life away from RentMen and RentMasseur sometimes. 
 

It’s like being forced to take a booking the day and moment it comes in, because if I don’t…it may not happen.

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I'm really happy to be working and seeing people again, but it's difficult getting back to where I was psychologically and physically in 2019. I'm seeing vaccinated clients and I always kiss - but because STIs have skyrocketed and Covid is still a thing, I limit new connections to longer occasions to limit exposure to either.

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The lack of communication is difficult I totally agree about that. So many times a client will contact me to check availability or ask questions. I reply….then tumbleweed. Nothing….not even I changed my mind. I’m left thinking “he wanted next Wednesday or whatever” so I’m left doubtful about whether to make plans.  
All I’d like is the client to reply and either book or say “no thanks “. Please don’t just leave it hanging! 

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On 8/11/2021 at 4:13 PM, Jamie21 said:

The lack of communication is difficult I totally agree about that. So many times a client will contact me to check availability or ask questions. I reply….then tumbleweed. Nothing….not even I changed my mind. I’m left thinking “he wanted next Wednesday or whatever” so I’m left doubtful about whether to make plans.  
All I’d like is the client to reply and either book or say “no thanks “. Please don’t just leave it hanging! 

Yeah it’s really crazy. I’ve lost some regulars or previously met clients because of things like that. They’ll talk about wanting a session on a particular day, then go ghost. It’s gotten to where I’ve almost become unfazed about it. In fact, I even went ahead and got a separate number for the initial bookings because I almost need to consolidate the level of initial inquiries I get. And I won’t carry it around at much as my dedicated client phone, that way I’m not distracted by people who don’t follow up as much. I know one line is for the maybes and the other is for those who are actually booking in. 
 

Now I’ve just got to get a secretary, supervisor, and HR department 😂 

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6 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Yeah it’s really crazy. I’ve lost some regulars or previously met clients because of things like that. They’ll talk about wanting a session on a particular day, then go ghost. It’s gotten to where I’ve almost become unfazed about it. In fact, I even went ahead and got a separate number for the initial bookings because I almost need to consolidate the level of initial inquiries I get. And I won’t carry it around at much as my dedicated client phone, that way I’m not distracted by people who don’t follow up as much. I know one line is for the maybes and the other is for those who are actually booking in. 
 

Now I’ve just got to get a secretary, supervisor, and HR department 😂 

Talking of taking on “staff”…I do employ (or ‘contract out’ to be more exact) my movie editing work (for my justforfans) and some of my admin type social media work to a guy who does all that for me! I can’t be bothered with those things …I just focus on the performance 🙂

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Definitely vaccinated! I love to kiss as well, I’ll also agree and add to what everyone else has said with the bs and time wasting. There’s a lot “potential” clients that like just talking about it rather than doing it. Or the fake bookings, where they don’t show up or even answer the phone. Gotta learn to just move on and make room for people who are serious, cause I don’t have patience for games. Clear communication always makes everything so much more easier. Some are good with it and some aren’t.  We’re all adults here. 

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So I contacted a provider in Europe and got stone cold silence. Its obvious I am from the US, I think said provider may elect to not be seeing tourists at this time. Never mind I go to this said country 3-4 times a year, pre covid.  i've had providers also ask me for vaccine credentials at the start of the appointment .  Later I discovered that he is 3X vaxed. 

 

It inspired me to get 3X vaxed also, ahead of the curve. 

 

I think gays as a group are highly vaccinated, we know pandemics well

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A mixed bag which is not a change. Still get time wasters. Still get great clients. Still get not so good clients. Still get okay clients. Still get scared clients. Still get everything in between. Business was slow during the pandemic pre-vaccination in 2020. Then there was an uptick in the spring of 2021. Now business seems to return to normal levels or close to it. I would say the vitality and profitability of the industry correlates with the travel and hospitality industries (except us escorts didn't get the massive bailouts corporations did and we couldn't get unemployment for our type of work). During the height of the pandemic in 2020, things were very rough financially and business was slow or non-existent. Now business seems to be very close to pre-covid levels. Like many restaurants and hotels, business for an escort seems to be going fine now with the usual challenges and difficulties we had prior to covid. Vaccinated and kissing, yes.  

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I'm open for business & accepting new & prospective clients. I'm fully vaxxed, and being in NYC, most folks here are as well. I don't encourage kissing if the client doesn't ask for it, if it happens it happens, if they ask for it I will allow it.

Business here in NYC is slower than what is usual for an October. Time wasters & fakes are always going to be a thing: best way to eliminate them completely?? USE A SCREENING APP

I rarely EVER get time wasters & fakes these days, I have them all virtually blocked (unless I'm touring a different city) & I intercept & block new ones coming in, because of the "Mr. Number" app. I've used Mr. Number since February of 2020 & it's been a lifesaver.

Just the other day I blocked a client before even responding because I screen all inquiries by phone on Mr. Number. Well, his report on Mr. Number had 5 other escorts saying he's a fake sending people to addresses that no one is at, creating fake appointments. Blocked. I also make sure to ALWAYS flag a timewaster or fake, so the next guy coming after Me doesn't have to waste his time  

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7 hours ago, TylerGrovesNYC said:

I'm open for business & accepting new & prospective clients. I'm fully vaxxed, and being in NYC, most folks here are as well. I don't encourage kissing if the client doesn't ask for it, if it happens it happens, if they ask for it I will allow it.

Business here in NYC is slower than what is usual for an October. Time wasters & fakes are always going to be a thing: best way to eliminate them completely?? USE A SCREENING APP

I rarely EVER get time wasters & fakes these days, I have them all virtually blocked (unless I'm touring a different city) & I intercept & block new ones coming in, because of the "Mr. Number" app. I've used Mr. Number since February of 2020 & it's been a lifesaver.

Just the other day I blocked a client before even responding because I screen all inquiries by phone on Mr. Number. Well, his report on Mr. Number had 5 other escorts saying he's a fake sending people to addresses that no one is at, creating fake appointments. Blocked. I also make sure to ALWAYS flag a timewaster or fake, so the next guy coming after Me doesn't have to waste his time  

Mr.Number is a subscription service highly touted by Tyler:

 


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On 10/21/2021 at 2:00 PM, TylerGrovesNYC said:

I'm open for business & accepting new & prospective clients. I'm fully vaxxed, and being in NYC, most folks here are as well. I don't encourage kissing if the client doesn't ask for it, if it happens it happens, if they ask for it I will allow it.

Business here in NYC is slower than what is usual for an October.

If its slower than usual in October in New York,  I wonder how is it in London and Europe. I have noticed, that some of my favorites from Europe are planning tours in the US next month, now that they are allowed in. Also I have noticed much more of an influx into Europe ( from Brazil and other places)  as restrictions get lifted. 

All this extra supply….one wonders if pre covid pricing will be back, but I doubt it  

I want to be  the guy in the blue coat with fur collar, whoever he is.

 

You got to have vision!!!

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On 10/21/2021 at 1:00 PM, TylerGrovesNYC said:

I'm open for business & accepting new & prospective clients. I'm fully vaxxed, and being in NYC, most folks here are as well. I don't encourage kissing if the client doesn't ask for it, if it happens it happens, if they ask for it I will allow it.

Business here in NYC is slower than what is usual for an October. Time wasters & fakes are always going to be a thing: best way to eliminate them completely?? USE A SCREENING APP

I rarely EVER get time wasters & fakes these days, I have them all virtually blocked (unless I'm touring a different city) & I intercept & block new ones coming in, because of the "Mr. Number" app. I've used Mr. Number since February of 2020 & it's been a lifesaver.

Just the other day I blocked a client before even responding because I screen all inquiries by phone on Mr. Number. Well, his report on Mr. Number had 5 other escorts saying he's a fake sending people to addresses that no one is at, creating fake appointments. Blocked. I also make sure to ALWAYS flag a timewaster or fake, so the next guy coming after Me doesn't have to waste his time  

Thankyou, I definitely need to get up on that! How did you hear about it? I need to add A LOT of numbers to that list. I recently cleared my block list out of good faith and forgiveness: the numbers are quickly adding back up. Some don’t need an escort to give them a 2nd chance. They need someone to take their phone away from them, like a high schooler. 

I’m in between the Kansas City and Saint Louis region, and the flakes have been fairly consistent both before, during and after the brunt of the pandemic. Like @rn901 said, there are some upticks here and there where things seem to be going okay in this market, but it’s not consistent. Kansas City escort market seems to have gotten better post pandemic. Saint Louis’ has actually become worse after the pandemic.

For a minute, I thought cities like this were just “shy” and maybe an escort has to live there and be able to discreetly host regularly to do well. Nope, I live 1 mile from a bathhouse in a centralized area. I can host and travel and I’m in a private residence. Yet they STILL find ways to be a pain in the ass. Tired excuses like, “sorry I ran out of time today” when they hit me up just 20 minutes ago and it’s not even 5 p.m. 

It really discourages me having been in the biz so long, and still having seasonal bouts of time wasting clients. What’s even more maddening, are the guys who show up once…and then flake on all subsequent times, and then pretend like the next time nothing ever happened. As if I don’t have the previous messages that they never replied to a response I gave them. 
 

I’ve been trying to screen people out with a couple introductory messages, and I’ve even taken all my XXX pics to private, and do not open them unless someone is specifically scheduling an appointment. It’s mitigated it, but still dealing with riff raft. Unfortunately I think certain areas like the conservative and repressed Midwest it’s hard to avoid idiots. Lot of those guys don’t have Craigslist personals to pacify their nonsensical bullshit anymore, so RentMen have become their new target.

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On 10/12/2021 at 10:59 PM, rn901 said:

I would say the vitality and profitability of the industry correlates with the travel and hospitality industries (except us escorts didn't get the massive bailouts corporations did and we couldn't get unemployment for our type of work)

Yes… I also sense that there is some truth to what you are saying regarding the vitality and profitability of the industry being correlated with travel and hospitality industries. Airfares, hotel prices, those kinds of things. In some instances the hotels have better availability and more affordable pricing. Cars on the other hand can be more expensive depending on where you go. Airfares have increased significantly. Availability of restaurants and their safety is a variable factor. Obviously, the types of things that done outside of “Play Time” have changed: where are we used to frequent dining places, movie theaters, sports events, music events, festivals and that sort of thing Arnell were often occupied by private and intimate canoeing trips, kayak adventures, romantic interlude‘s for a weekend or week in a log cabin… Climbing mountains and hiking. I’m finding there’s still a lot to do and we are able to be super active if we want or romantically private too~ While hotel guest services had become limited in some instances and it’s hard to get extra towels and trash pick up, I really like that the hotels and facilities that I stay at usually have very good cleaning protocol and allow 24 to 48 to 72 hours between guest visitors in any given room.

 In someways, it makes hiring for longer engagements more cost effective because there’s not quite as much money going out towards entertainment venues. On the other hand, some peoples income has been affected by the pandemic and some peoples ability to get away for some private time is more difficult. There’s still people working from home and unable to travel as much or unwilling. People may be a little more tied to their families since they’re not out moving around in the world as much. 

 Personally, I lost more than a hand full of clients to Covid in 2020 and S’more in 2021 prior to the greater advent of vaccines… we are still learning about this very new virus, we are still undergoing changes and along with that comes growth as well as a bit of fear of the unknown and misunderstanding. I think we’re still traveling along the learning curve with this one and it’s different for each individual. 
 
 It seems that there is more of an emotional and psychological and even spiritual component to the reasons people are hiring now… So, I’m personally finding myself engaged in those aspects more than usual despite really being engaged in those particular things to pretty high degree anyways even prior to covid.

 I have always really loved kissing and I still do. I’m really loving that embracing, kissing, intimate bonding that’s happening now. Prior to the pandemic, it was slightly different. Now that intimacy as a need has taken on a new meaning and importance. I’m intimacy-based and so, I’m really enjoying exchanging that at its new level~ 

 

 

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