KensingtonHomo

I don't worry about this because there are many pictures of me online. Anyone could use one of those to make wild claims about me. Does the provider want to expose himself as doing something illegal? I doubt it.

It would be similar. If you get outside of major cities, most people - regardless of sexual orientation- are overweight.

See, no offense to @Muscleaddict333 but these guys do zero for me. They're entirely too muscular for my taste. They could be paying me $500 and I'd be like "meh..." There's a lid for every pot.

My sense of discomfort is that some clients want that "top tier" of escorts but feel pinched to pay the price they're asking. I suspect many of us in the white-collar managerial class CAN afford $500/hour, but some feel it SHOULD be cheaper, and others don't. I generally won't spend $500/hour, but the guys I prefer also don't generally charge that rate. The guys charging that rate tend to be porn actors, guys with big OF accounts, and very young, extremely fit, and beautiful men. Most guys who fit in those categories do not appeal to me. Since we hire as a couple, we're not interested in overnights or multiple hours. The longest we go is two; usually, there is a slight discount. I'm more likely to pay a higher price for a guy we know who has increased his prices than risk $500 on someone we've never met.

Providers are going to charge what the market will bear. We've had a lot of inflation, particularly in the big cities so costs are going up. That said, there are plenty of guys charging $250-$400/hour. I find if you go past the "Platinum" section on RM, the guys are more reasonable.

True, it's not a public accommodation issue. But if an escort chooses to run his business that way, he should just be explicit about it. If he only wants clients of a certain size and age, just be upfront about it. I don't find him remotely appealing (too young, too smooth) so it would never be an issue for me, but "potential" clients are wasting their time reaching out to him.

He’s been written about on here quite a bit, always good from what I recall. If you look up Stephen and Top you should find threads about him.

This is why anecdotal information isn't the same as data. Among my friend group, nearly every overweight person I know is married or in a long-term relationship, and all the single people I know are thin or in very good shape. And good looking and overweight are not mutually exclusive. Among the overweight people in relationships, I'd say half are partnered with other overweight people and the others are with thin or fit people - myself included. And not all providers are super-fit. Sure, most of them are, but there are bears, and even some significantly overweight providers around. I really don't care who or how other clients are hiring. I object to the relentless fat-phobia on here. It's mean-spirited and does nothing to induce people to lose weight.

You can't even be consistent on a single thread. You're bobbing and weaving to avoid accountability for your statements. Tedious. I'm not a progressive or a liberal. And calling someone "girl", as in "girl, you're being a messy bitch", is not gendered. It's like the gay version of calling everyone "dude." Nice try though.

Girl, just go read your own responses here where you stated "fat and ugly people have to hire." That's a statement of fact, not opinion. You must be the least self-aware person on this forum.

LOL - Thinking people should work to eliminate their racial prejudices is not "extreme left woke" but, hey, take your flowers for quoting Donald Trump. Very revealing.

My views are based on most of your output here, not this specific conversation.

Nah... most people date and marry within their own race. Like 80 percent or higher. This is you trying to explain away your biases by saying "look, that person of color is biased too!"

Prejudice is also constantly judging people as "fat ugly and out of shape." I honestly don't care who you fuck as long as it's not me. You get dragged because you constantly put down providers and clients, who do not meet your exacting standards, which are de facto incredibly biased along race, class, ethnicity, etc. Not only do you want to fuck some incredibly tedious version of masculinity, but you think the rest of us should want that too. Worse, not only are you judgmental about who other people are fucking, you're incredibly thin-skinned when called on it.

People hire for a variety of wants, needs and desires. For some people, it is to achieve their "dream fuck." I don't think such a thing exists so that's not my goal. We hire primarily for convenience. It's difficult as a couple, especially one past our partying days, to find the types of men we enjoy on the apps. We tend to be approached mostly by much younger (early 20s) twink-ish guys, who have a "Daddy" fantasy in person and on the apps. We did actually meet one young guy on Scruff who we had a few nice evenings with. But by hiring we spend our money to save time. We also avoid potential emotional entanglements.

I wasn't referring to you. And I've never once said anyone must hire a certain provider or type of provider. This is a conversation about social and cultural phenomena. That people I'm assuming are grown adults, can't do that without feeling attacked is what's wrong with this country.

Someone is VERY sensitive about his predilections. I didn't say you were racist, nor do I think people who have an orientation toward one gender over the other are misogynist or misandrist. You've revealed quite a lot about yourself with this remark. I won't, in fact, fuck anything that moves. I've just developed a far broader and more diverse palette than I had growing up (and than you). But you assume a broad palette means lesser quality; as if I'm eating Mcdonald's and you're dining on caviar. The reality is that we're not WIRED for anything. Our orientation develops through genetics, hormones, socialization, etc. And our tastes tend to reflect the culture we grew up in. The former can be broadened somewhat, but the latter is far more elastic. In your own words, you are almost exclusively interested in younger, extremely fit, muscular bottoms. I also suspect this is why you think "fat and ugly people" must hire. Because to get what you desire, you have to hire. I don't see it that way at all. You have my sympathy, if not my empathy.

It's not ridiculous. Sure, my sexual orientation excludes most women. But as someone who grew up in a very racist neighborhood, I've worked on my own consciousness. That doesn't make me color-blind (which is delusional) but it has opened me up to a wider range of men I find attractive than I did when I went to college. Similarly, I had a very specific "type" when I first came out (white, working class, ethnic, butch), but as I had more experiences, I found myself open to a greater variety of men in all shapes and sizes. If you would have told me at 17 that I'd end up with a "movie star" handsome, masculine, musical theater actor from the south, I'd have laughed in your face. When I first came out, all of my friends were black and Latino, and I hung out mostly in POC spaces. I wasn't found particularly desirable by most in those spaces, not because I'm white but because I'm femme. That situation improved slightly when I hung out with a more academic crowd, but not by much. I feel somewhat sorry for guys on here who are only attracted to a hyper-specific type. It really robs you of the opportunity to experience desire, sex, pleasure in so many forms.

Europeans are thinner than Americans is that they have more walkable cities, get far more time for vacation and recreation, have universal or accessible healthcare, and their agriculture policy is far better than hours. You can chart the spike in overweight Americans to us subsidizing corn in the 1970s, then factory jobs go away, the suburbs expand, and cheap, processed food because easy to access. It's all policy and it has resulted in the average Americans finding it much harder to stay fit and trim than they did 50 years ago. But Americans are also told to blame individuals for their circumstances, which is the greatest trick the rich ever pulled on this citizenry. And then those who have more time or more money or are genetically lucky, treat overweight and obese people like they're moral failures. You could be in solidarity with overweight and obese people, demanding a 35-hour work week, better public transportation, Medicare for All, outlawing high fructose corn syrup, and increasing the minimum wage, so healthy food is affordable. But, nah, you're on here sniping that no one finds overweight people attractive.

$1,000 for a massage and I assume some extras is far too much. And he's not commanding that price or he'd not have contacted the OP again. He may occasionally be able to get someone to pay $1k but he's priced himself more than double the going rate of NYC.

There are many attractive overweight men. I haven’t hired anyone who’d be considered obese because there aren’t many who advertise. Or maybe I don’t know where to find them. But I’ve certainly hired some thick, bear types and hooked up with some heavy guys. For me, limiting oneself to a hyper specific type would be boring.

There's lots of good advice here. I'm in NYC and there's lots of great guys here. However, they are highly concentrated in Manhattan. So as @KennF suggested, offering to get them to you is great. I live in a borough that is not Manhattan and it can be hard to get guys to come here (like 30 minutes by train). However, we have found guys who do outcalls and live in our borough, much closer to us. Sometimes they'll take an inexpensive cab over. Some ride their bikes. Another option would be to come to Manhattan for an evening, maybe check out a show, get a hotel for the night and set it up with an escort in advance. If you're looking for a BFE experience, it could be like a fun date night. My caution there would be to make sure you're dealing with a solid pro, who is not going to flake on you. I definitely have guys I would recommend for such a situation.

Still slandering female escorts on a forum for gay men... It's positively Freudian.

I had an oddly busy weekend with family stuff, but I will write up a run down. He does need to update his pics. He's a nice-looking guy, but a bit thicker than in those pics.

I love the male privilege embedded in "in shape only" as if women sex workers haven't been dealing with the grossest possible men since the dawn of humanity. I feel hygiene is essential for provider and client, but the rest of it is just being a bit of a dick.