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I agree with all the points you make @Simon Suraci, about that video, the use of baby oil (a total no no) the table wrong height etc. Although I don’t necessarily agree about the escort part. But I read @TectonicThrust post as being indicative of what he wanted rather than ‘recreate exactly this video’. For me a video showing something the client likes is useful and I can include it at an appropriate point in my routine. I can pace the session appropriately, read my client’s body and include the things he wants naturally in the massage. I don’t draw such a distinction between escort work and erotic massage work. You’ll obviously get a range of massage skills depending on the training the guy has had, and you’ll get a variety of sexual activity that he’s prepared and willing to include. He will be somewhere on the spectrum from purely therapeutic masseur to full service escort. What rate he charges for that is up to him. The important thing is that the client’s requirements and expectations match with what the escort/masseur is prepared to and skilled to provide. If those match and the rate is right then the ingredients for a great session are in place. What facilities that? Good communication from both sides.

I’ve filmed with him, for our respective fans sites 🙂. Actually I’ve done two pornos with him lol. Lovely friendly guy.

Ah yes in my rather innocent way I’m assuming they’re both based in a country with an up to date attitude to sex work…. 😊, one in Europe.

I’d have no problem with that. I like to know what clients would like to be included although I think it’s important to keep an element of the unknown; if the massage is too choreographed it’s less exciting. Before the massage starts I always ask if there’s any part of my client I should avoid, some people say what they don’t want touched (if there is anywhere it’s usually either their head, feet or their bum hole). If they say nothing is off limits then I feel internal massage is ok. Usually if you just apply a bit of pressure with your finger there they’ll open up for you if they want it inside 🙂 If you specifically want to have your prostate massaged as in that example video it’s important to ask. Some clients are quite embarrassed or coy about describing what they want so I’d say it’s a good idea to send a video and say “something like that please”. Most masseurs who do sensual or erotic massage will welcome this.

Of course it works both ways. Many times I get messages asking about my availability, services, rates etc and the client simply fails to reply when I go back. Here’s a few recent examples: No response to my last message. You’ll see I responded within an hour of each message. And my message has been read (the advantage of WhatsApp🙂). Or this recent example: In that one, when he messaged at 2pm I was with a client. The ‘services’ remark (there’s no ‘?’ …but I took it as a question asking what are my services?) is difficult. Aside from no response to my reply (this is now 3 days later) his style of questioning really didn’t deserve a response did it! I give a bit of understanding if English isn’t his language but really…’services’ isn’t giving me confidence he’s going to book. Or this one maybe? So I didn’t respond to the 00:56 message because I was asleep. I wouldn’t do a booking at that time at short notice anyway (wrong kind of client). But hey I replied and he was fine to suggest different times. I replied back within 20 minutes and it seems he’s disappeared? That was an encounter avoided fortunately! And finally this one: Obviously he just wanted to tell me he saw my add. How lovely, at least I know my advertising is visible (even if it only attracts the diffident 🙂). All of these examples of indifferent communication are from the past 2 weeks. Is it any wonder that some providers just don’t bother to respond to enquiries that look like they’re going nowhere? I don’t condone it, I reply to every message as soon as possible but I totally understand why people sometimes just wouldn’t bother.

Masseurs still have web pages. At least I have a website…and I know others do too.

I’m always surprised how people who’ve not worked as a provider seem to know exactly how it all works! It’s rather like all the amateur epidemiologists that suddenly appeared on Twitter during the pandemic, who swore they knew better than any expert who had studied it 😂. I find it amusing when people with no experience of doing sex work themselves try to tell me how I should run my business! Other sex workers never offer such advice because they know that it’s such a personal business (it’s impossible to do it without being authentic to yourself). They only give advice if asked. I’d say a 3 hour delay in responding is only one possible indicator that they’re flaky. You’re closing off opportunities if you go by just that one sign. Look also for other signs of flakiness…. casual language in how he responds (when he eventually does), an amateurish advert, lots of ‘ask me’ on services, few reviews, poor pics etc. If there’s a few signs then you have a good chance he’s flaky.

You can call it at 3 hours. I’d disagree though. Sometimes if I’m travelling I’m not able to respond for > 3hrs. Or as in a recent example …a text “r u available now?” at 2am. I was asleep. Responded 7 hours later at 9am when I woke. I wasn’t available at 2am anyway so I guess he was looking for an immediate response. I don’t do last minute 2am appointments. So whilst a slow response might imply he’s not organised or interested it doesn’t necessarily mean that.

Not so bizarre. Many clients want absolute confidentiality. Some are married or high profile. It’s understandable they’d use an alias, and then forget what name they used when rebooking.

Same. I’ve a client who likes to be spanked during massage. I do it because he likes it but it kind of makes me feel bad to hurt him… I know that’s what he likes but it’s still not really my thing. I did a 4 hands for him recently with another masseur friend who I know (have worked with him many times) and I know he’s much better at administering spanking than I am. My client’s ass was red by the time he left lol. I just wanted to kiss it better and bury my face between the glowing cheeks (well….he got that too and I could feel the warmth on my cheeks as I rimmed him 😂). My friends hand was bruised from all the slapping. I’d certainly not have done so much of it had it been just me but I loved seeing how much the client enjoyed the experience.

I’m sure most of my clients use an alias. One or two have even had a different name the second time they visited (I had their number in my phone against their original name..). It can get quite tricky.

That’s a definite pattern I see. If a guy contacts me and quickly starts a kind of ‘sex chat’ or sends a cock pic…it’s a 99% certainty he will not book a session. I don’t take deposits because I don’t have big sunk costs for a session if they don’t turn up (unlike @Jarrod_Uncut) but it is of course a waste of my time. Luckily I can screen out the time wasters by spotting these signs (sex chat, cock/ass pics, late night requests, certain trigger words, guys who ask for discounts, ‘students’, fantasists and guys arranging ‘surprises’ for their wives 😂). I have a < 0.5% no show rate but only about 50% of enquiries turn into bookings. It’s sometimes tempting to take bookings from ‘high risk of no show clients’ but I mostly avoid that. I can see how @Jarrod_Uncut must be tempted to take these risks because he’s already traveled and spent money. The business model is a very challenging one. I certainly couldn’t cope with it.

On a variation of this, I once refused to charge a client. Looking back on it I can see the funny side now but at the time I was really annoyed. He was a French guy visiting London. Had booked me for an hour sensual massage. Everything went wrong. He was a little late because he couldn’t find my place (I guess that’s down to him) but it started the session off a bit stressed. Then after 10 minutes the masseur using the other room phoned my room to ask me if I could see his card reader anywhere. This interrupted my client’s massage, just as I’d got him to relax. I couldn’t see the card reader so in the end I had to let the other masseur in to find it (which he couldn’t do). I apologised to my client and carried on, trying to re-establish the right atmosphere. Then, 10 minutes later an alarm clock which had sat on the shelf quietly for years suddenly decided to go off….and I couldn’t turn it off. Eventually I managed to silence it. By now the massage was 40 minutes in and should have been at a more erotic stage but there was no chance of that. So I just told the client that in view of all the calamities I’d not charge him anything. I finished him off and he got an hour but it wasn’t very relaxing or erotic.

I recognise this. I don’t use hookup apps (used to, but I got bored of it). But if I’m having sex outside of my work then I’ll usually bottom. When I’m working it’s mostly me being top. Doing work that is predominantly sex based does have an impact on your sex life. Even to the extent that sometimes if I’ve met up with a friend for fun I’ll be thinking ‘I’d have charged £x for that’, or I’ll decline a meet because I’m seeing a client later and I want to be ready for them. I’m fine with the work but this is one of the drawbacks.

I meant to add…I wouldn’t hire someone like me. Why would I want to hire someone good looking, great in bed, charismatic, great body, intelligent, versatile and massively hung? Definitely not hiring myself 😂😂😂

Oh dear this forum is becoming like twitter. You took my comment, rephrased it; “that’s like saying” and then critiqued your reinterpretation! What I said was have great sex with people you like. Look beyond the label that society gives them (gay, straight etc) and see the person and what attracts you to them. Personally I’ve found that the more I’ve explored the wider my taste has become. It’s like continually trying new things to broaden your mind. In the past I have let societal labels prejudice my opinion of whether I am attracted to someone, so I didn’t do anything with them. Now my mind is more open to different people and I’ve discovered that attraction is way deeper and more complex than I had believed when I was constrained by labels.

You missed the part where I said “with other people you like”. 🙄

Who cares! Just have great sex with other people you like, as many as possible, at the same time. Labels are so limiting.

A very few make huge money, most don’t. Some guys seem to think they’ll be able to retire in a year by just posting a weekly movie of them tossing themselves off in front of a mirror. They soon realise it takes more work than that. Then they lose interest. I have a justforfans. I’m in the top 3% of models on there. I make a reasonable return but I’m not retiring anytime soon! It takes work to build up a subscriber base. I probably spend 2 days a month working on it, and I have a business partner who I pay (from the justforfans revenue) to do the editing and social media uploads etc. He spends a couple of days too. He manages all that admin side and I do the performing and finding guys to collaborate with, and setting up film shoots. It doesn’t displace my massage work but it is a nice income stream to supplement that. I think to make having a fans site at least worthwhile you need to find a niche, film good quality content (good lighting, multiple angles, professional editing) and publish regularly. The problem is that it’s so easy to enter the fans site business that people set up a site thinking they’ll be rich… and now it’s saturated with average content produced by naive models.

I must have got it wrong. My recent elevator pic from a client visit was the view of the hotel atrium from the elevator 😬

Just watch my justforfans 😉. Around 100 full length massage movies. Here ends the desperate attempt at self promotion. https://justfor.fans/MassageForHim

My theory with names here is that nominative determinism works in reverse with providers. In the non provider world Mr Crook is a bit dodgy and Jim Trainer is a personal fitness instructor. However in the provider world Hung Dom XXX Ass Destroyer is a submissive bottom guy with a 3 inch cock and Slut Twink For Use is a 39 year old who thinks he’s bottom because he enjoyed the last time his doctor administered a suppository. Don’t go be the name, look at the description.

Unlikely. I wouldn’t do it. I’ve done training sessions with other masseurs where we share techniques.

I’ve a large penis. I needed support. I found it at LPSG. Now I’m reconciled to having a large one.

Ask yourself…do you really want to meet someone with that large a cock…sorry…that large an ego? I agree with @BenjaminNicholas, these guys are using their superficial attraction as way of monetising their sex life. Avoid.