Jamie21

Lots of people giving advice here, risks you having all sorts of expectations. I’d say don’t overthink it or have unrealistic expectations about how it ‘should’ feel. There’s no right or wrong group sex experience. Sometimes it’s great, sometimes it isn’t. If I think about why that is, it’s usually because of my expectations about the event beforehand.

The top vers guy and the bottom vers guy will both turn out to be bottoms. Be prepared for that 😉

I notice that with American clients. It’s legal here (in UK) to sell sexual services so if you’re speaking with a British or European masseur feel free to ask for whatever you like. If he’s advertising as a sensual or erotic masseur you’re not likely to offend him.

The next one won’t be so long…

London has it all (including me….but don’t hold that against it). Anything is possible here, and we’re going to crown a King next month. That’ll be fun 🙂

Yeah I’m now married to the client 😂

Actually there is a context where I have done this. I do training in sensual massage for people who want to learn massage and either become a sensual masseur or to learn techniques to use on their partner. For this training I use a volunteer body for me to demonstrate on and for the trainee to practice on (under my guidance). Those practice body’s get a free massage …albeit one which is a bit ‘stop start’ and where the trainee may not be very good. The practice body is asked to provide feedback to the trainee. But as @arnemgreeves says the feedback is about how it feels from a sensual perspective more than a therapeutic perspective. I don’t need someone who is a licensed health care provider. Nor do I want someone who is just looking for a free massage. I expect the volunteer body to approach it properly… it’s not a group sex opportunity (which some think it is unfortunately).

It’s kind of how I started. Not in an ‘I’m desperate for money way’ but in an ‘I’m intrigued to see what happens’ way. It was in a casual conversation with a friend, who suggested that I could sell what I had. I was naive and didn’t get what he meant at first, until he said ‘charge guys for sex’. I’d never even considered the possibility up to then…it just wasn’t something I thought I could do. First time a guy hired me my friend helped with the set up. I was chatting on Grindr with a guy who had initiated the conversation. There was no pic of him or anything but he was keen to meet. I played cool, but kept the conversation going, with the assistance of my friend who was with me. After a lot of chat the Grindr guy asks me ‘what will it take?’. I then had a long discussion with my friend about the rate…I had no clue. He suggested a number that was 4x what I was thinking: “just ask for that…what could happen? He says ‘no’?”. So I asked and the Grindr guy agrees. A street name is given, with instructions to stand outside house number x and wait for him to message me. I guess he was watching for me when I turned up because sure enough after standing there for a few minutes (trying to look innocuous yet sexy at the same time) I get the message…’walk to house x and knock’. I walk there, knock and almost immediately the door opens and he invites me in. He’s a little older than I expected and short (one has a picture in one’s mind with these anonymous chats that never seems to match the reality). The guy tells me we have an hour as his wife is home later. I kind of want to be there naked on the bed when she turns up (is that bad of me?) but I say ok and follow him to the kitchen (I think is it going to happen in the kitchen?). He gets us some water and says ok let’s go to the bedroom. Like a puppy I follow him there. Let’s say I wasn’t very good (looking back, in hindsight! and knowing what I know now….) but he was very happy with the service and paid me. I think he knew it was my first time being hired. Suddenly a whole new world opened up. Walking back to the train station afterwards everything seemed different. I didn’t do any more sex work for a few years but it planted the seed for tackling it in a more professional way later.

There’s a party scene here that eats people up and spits them out. I think maybe some of them (those who are maybe a bit naive or innocent) enjoy it too much and get exploited. Not just Brazilians. Very sad.

Definitely no drugs. Definitely be clean (as in showered). These things aren’t unusual or especially controversial.

I used to be on Grindr. Some of my pics were of me doing massage. I’d get asked by guys for massage (even though I was not advertising). However I did direct them to my massage website, since they asked. Someone must have complained to Grindr and my profile was suspended. I cancelled it after that because it became such a time waster.

Ha ha 22 was years ago!

It is!

No you don’t. You can politely decline, although they will make all sorts of judgments about you if you decline tea. Best to say ‘oh yes I could murder a cuppa’ and then sip it slowly until it’s too cold to drink while you discuss the weather, and then you can say ‘oh what a shame my tea has gone cold…anyway lovely to chat but I must dash, cheerio!’ and then you leave. They’ll love you because you had tea, you discussed the weather and then you left them without over staying your welcome.

Yes, a good massage is ideally around 90mins. But say if someone wanted just head massage, you can do that in 30 minutes. Sometimes clients want just lingam massage, that can also be done in 30 minutes. But my style is more suited to a full body massage with a slow build up.

I answer the door in shorts, vest top or t shirt and socks. I need to be reasonably respectable because I have to walk down a shared flight of stairs to the main door to let my client in. Once inside the massage studio I can remove whatever clothes need to be removed to start the massage. It reminds me of a time I visited another masseur to film a collaboration for our respective fans sites. This guy is a reasonably well known figure (as an escort / porn guy / live performer in London sex clubs). We had arranged to film at his place, a house in east London. I said I’d drive there and would bring my massage table. The plan was to film him receiving a massage that progresses to sex etc. I arrived at his place and manage to park in the street almost outside his house, and I message him that I’ve arrived. I have a lot of equipment to bring inside (the table, cameras, lights etc) so I just take my bag out of the car and knock on the door. He answers with just a towel around his waist, sauna style. This didn’t surprise me, as it looked like he was just out of the shower. What did surprise me was when he came out into the street, in just the towel, with clearly nothing on underneath (he’s large), to help me bring the kit and table from the car. Exhibitionists never miss an opportunity! I was impressed. It was a fun filming session. Really nice guy.

It’s legal here in the UK. Simply from my experience of rates here for providers of different ethnicities I don’t see the same level of discrimination as seems to exist in the US. I’m Caucasian…British and a Londoner, so my experience is from that perspective. I’ve friends in the business (escorts and masseurs) of all different ethnicities and none has said they experience much difference in expectations from clients in terms of rates, or demand. Maybe because London is probably the most cosmopolitan city on earth there’s enough business for rates to be similar regardless of ethnicity? I think British society is also less segregated than US, even outside of big cities. Class seems to be more of a divider here than race (although those things do intersect). A British person can accurately place someone in the correct class as soon as they hear them speak, or by the way they make tea, or by what they call their evening meal. Foreigners cannot be taught that, it’s innate to a Brit. There’s so many factors that come into play with how providers set rates and how the market influences their rate decisions that it is very difficult to identify how much race influences it. This is a ‘looks’ business so it’s inevitable that if for example a guy likes smooth skin he’s more likely to find that look in a provider from east Asia. That’s likely to be his hiring preference. It’s a shame however to be so narrow in taste. I see all sorts of different races as clients, including guys who if I wasn’t working I probably wouldn’t be with recreationally so to speak, but what I’ve learned is that as your experiences broaden so does your appreciation of the beauty that exists beneath the superficial look. When you make effort to find the attraction in someone it’s amazing what things you discover and it really opens your mind to how attraction works at deeper levels (it’s the same regardless of ethnicity). Of course if doing sex work isn’t your job then yes, it’s easier and simpler to go with ‘I know what I like’ but I’d say to those who always go for a specific ethnicity- try a different cuisine occasionally. You might open up wonderful new vistas!

I don’t do half hour sessions. It’s too short but I do occasionally get asked for them. It’s simply not practical for me although I can see how it would work; a quick ‘cum and go’ session for the time pressured or those without the means to pay for longer. It reminds me of a regular client who was clearly very excited as soon as he had undressed in one of my first sessions with him. He’s a large guy, well built and strong. He likes to pick me up as we cuddle. I suggested on this occasion that we start with a cuddle. Standing next to the massage table we embraced, he pulled me in close so that his cock was pressed against me (he’s a few inches taller than me). He doesn’t kiss (too intimate- I think there’s some guilt going on unfortunately). Anyway, after a couple of minutes cuddling he says to me “Jamie, I have cum”. Honestly I hadn’t even touched his cock with anything but my stomach. I hadn’t realised he was hard (he’s not especially large down there). He put me down, we part and I see that sure enough he has shot his load over me…. after only about 5 minutes of the session. It could have ended right there. Especially given that once he’s cum he’s one of those guys who becomes all embarrassed and ashamed at what has happened and wants to leave as soon as possible. He’d booked an hour and it took me a fair bit of persuasion to suggest to him that after his shower he put on his pants and I give him a therapeutic massage and we pretend the cum hadn’t happened. I didn’t want him to leave after 10 minutes nor did I want to charge him full price for that session. It seemed a bit unfair. Fortunately after his shower he did agree to stay for a massage (and in fact he did manage to cum again so it was fine). After a number of sessions with him I’ve managed to get him to feel less guilty and be more confident about enjoying his body, which is great! He’s much more confident now and able to control his response better. This is why I think the quickie cum and go half hour session isn’t something I’d want to do. The client might as well have a wank. Most of the fun and excitement is the anticipation and the build up. The longer that is the more enjoyable the journey and the more delicious is the destination.

Maybe you should! You seem to know how it all should work.

And some clients want to buy a 2024 Mercedes GLE with 1999 Ford Fiesta money 🙂. I’m certainly not a 2024 Mercedes (tbh I don’t know what one of those is!!) but I guess I have my attractions because I’ve been working steadily for years and have seen over a thousand clients. Everyone has a market… Anyway, the problem of clients asking for things they can’t afford happened twice today already. First client wants an out call which is over an hour drive each way. It’s beyond my normal area but he asked for the visit so I quoted a rate but he can’t afford it. So he keeps asking for a keener price… Another guy has phoned twice asking about what’s included (it’s all on the website). Then he asks the rate (also on the website) and hey… he says he can’t afford it. Both clients have walked into the wrong shop. It’s surely not difficult to see the published rates and think ‘ok perhaps that’s not in my range, I’ll look in the Ford dealership instead of the Mercedes dealership’?

Ha ha! You should read my blog about the time I saw a client at his place and the dog was on the bed with us. Wasn’t a small dog either. 😳

Since I don’t do weekends (although I have done a holiday with a client) then it’s a bit hypothetical but in your above scenario I’d go with the $10k. If the client puts a higher value on the experience than I do then I’ll go with his value. Everyone is satisfied. I don’t have an advertised price for it, so if that’s the price the market will pay then that’s the price I’ll go with. For my advertised services the prices are stated on my adverts so if clients would have been prepared to pay more then I’m losing out. I’m pricing to maximise revenue for the supply I’m prepared to make available. If I was prepared to see 5 clients a day I would likely have to reduce the price to ensure I’d always get 5 a day. If I want 1 client a year then I’ll price extremely high (there’s always 1 with more money than sense 😂). It’s a bit trial and error but the more one understands how the market works the better one can refine the pricing model.

I’m happy to let others be the judge of that.

Well…some clients do like me to talk dirty. No offence meant 😉. Glad to see you can be laconic sometimes.

Did you charge by the word?