Jamie21

Similar feature on RentMasseur. I get messages on there from the system telling me that a ‘Premium RentMasseur client’ checked out my private gallery and would I like to contact them?’. I never do because I figure if they liked me they’d be in touch. I agree with the ‘build it and they will come’ philosophy. Maybe some clients need that little push to get them over the line but I’m not going to risk annoying people by being too pushy. I seem to get enough business anyway.

I met a regular client of mine recently in the foyer of a hotel. My client had asked me to arrange another masseur to join for our session. I know the other masseur very well (we have made a few films together and regularly come across each other). As I walked into the hotel with my client the other masseur was waiting for us to arrive. He noticed me enter and as he came up to me we embraced and kissed each other on the lips quite passionately …and a little too long for it to be passed off as eccentricity! He then greeted our client and we headed off to the room for the session. Afterwards, once my masseur friend had left (the arrangement was that I would spend the final hour with the client) my client told me that he’d watched the reaction of people in the hotel when we kissed. He said he was quite surprised by the PDA and that some of those hanging about in the lobby seemed to be disapproving. I hadn’t even thought of it because it seemed so natural to kiss my friend. My client said he was glad that he hadn’t received a similar PDA because it would have been embarrassing for him. I really don’t mind what people think so it hadn’t occurred to me that the client might be feeling awkward. Once we were inside the hotel room he was keen to watch me and the other masseur do all sorts of things with each other, but in the public area he felt awkward at just watching us kiss!! All because he was worried about what people were thinking which is a real shame.

I fell for that one one time. He told me he’d do some naked sketches of me for free, all I had to do was turn up and strip off. He sent some examples of his work which looked great. Naively I agreed. I turn up, strip off. He tells me he likes to chat first to get to know me because it makes the drawing better. So we chat. He tells me he needs to touch me to get me in the right positions. Ok…so he ‘adjusts’ me in various positions. Then he starts drawing but it doesn’t seem like he’s doing much except looking and coming over to check things. Then after about an hour of this, he suggests I might need a break from the poses so he makes us both a drink and sits next to me on the couch. I ask to look at what he’s done so far so I get up (to get away from him because he’s far too close) and look at the easel. Honestly it’s like a kid has drawn a stick man. He notices my surprise and says it’s just for proportions and planning and he will fill in the full details afterwards. Then he suggests he should get naked too while we rest and drink. As he strips off he asks if I want any explicit pictures and that I should get hard for those. I called time at that point and told him I had to go. I never saw any pictures….

Weekday daytime is ideal. The wife / partner thinks they’re at work, work thinks they’re at a meeting. WFH doesn’t help me because I’m based in central London. Most London workers commute in from the suburbs.

It’s counter intuitive. Friday night and Saturday people are out socialising, there’s other stuff to do. Plus those kind of clients (the I’m horny now types) aren’t good clients. I think people book early on the week because they want a treat to start the week. Also if you’re hiring on the ‘down low’ then it’s easier to do that on a weekday daytime at start of week.

Certainly don’t spend an hour talking with a client about the session. That’s 100% sign of a time waster. If they ask for pics that’s also a big red flag, especially if you have pics on your advert. If you don’t have a professional set up, by which I mean a website with decent pics, maybe a video, lots of information, a good advert on the relevant sites (Rentmen, RentMasseur) then you’re more likely to attract clients who see you as someone who can be messed around. Have some rules: never discount, no last minute bookings, no extended chat, no sexting, no session less than an hour (it sends the wrong signal to do < 1hour), and remember that even with that approach at least 25% of contacts about sessions never actually result in a booking. People get anxious, change their mind, need ages to decide to go ahead, have other priorities, get busy etc. Some have no intention of ever booking but most I think are just mulling things over. That’s ok with me as long as they do the mulling without taking up too much of my time.

Data is valuable! Plus I’m kind of nerdy about keeping records. But really my activity isn’t so busy that I need to keep detailed records to know what’s happening. It’s mostly by feel, and then when I look at the records my ‘feeling’ is verified. The figures are fairly steady, I saw a drop during the pandemic but it quickly got back to pre pandemic levels. Earlier in the week is busier than later, and earlier in the month busier than the end. Winter is busier than summer. Regular clients make up 70% of the business. 95% are male. 90% are in calls. I do the work part time (it’s better that way for me) and mix in some filming and more conventional work. That all had to be highly flexible because there’s no real pattern as to time of day.

I have spreadsheets. You have to keep some records because you need them for accounting purposes and tax returns. I have kept the records since I started over 6 years ago. I keep the date, duration, location, charge plus any tip, costs I incurred, name of client (the anonymous name they gave me), source where they found me (if they advised me of that) and any relevant info in case they hire again. I can also see the patterns of hire and what advertising works etc.

This is relevant. I was with a client recently who wanted me to fuck him bare as part of the massage (he’d asked when booking, and although it wasn’t something I’d promised, there was an expectation). He said he’d not done much with guys before but was exploring, and couldn’t hold back his feelings any longer. Apparently he’d been building up the courage to book for about 2 years. I told him that I don’t usually include fucking, especially for a first time client and that he should see how things go during the session, which he was fine with. Before we started he was very anxious but as we progressed he relaxed a bit. During the session he said again that he really wanted to try to bottom so I prepared him and then slid in. It must have only been about 10 seconds inside and he said ‘you won’t cum will you?’. I said ‘no, don’t worry’ (I’m able to control when I cum). But I think the thought of being fucked and the risk of cum inside made him think again and he asked me to pull out. I think sometimes clients get ahead of themselves and when reality hits they get anxious. Especially if they’re inexperienced. In the end he was happy with me unloading over his face as I brought him off.

Occasionally my clients want to top me (it’s infrequent, most I see are bottom!) and if that’s the case I appreciate they ask before the session. It’s kind of too late once he’s inside because some guys aren’t very able to control it.

I’ve a friend who is also in the industry, he describes himself as a ‘sex engineer’. It’s descriptive of the work: working with clients body and mind to improve their sex life. However it feels a bit mechanical for me. As a masseur I consider the work to be as much on the client’s mind as it is on their body. A therapeutic masseur is just working the muscles but a sensual or erotic masseur is working the body and working on what’s going on in the client’s head. Therefore sex therapist sounds good. I genuinely think that the work should be valued more by society. Terms like whore and prostitute have been imbued with too much negative baggage for them to be used in a benign way unfortunately.

I don’t think you did anything wrong. I must admit I probably wouldn’t recognise clients outside of context (unless they’re regulars) and if I do see a client I discreetly nod and then ignore them. I’d expect the same back. I did once get seen by a client at a naked beach in Mykonos but I count that as being in context! I was walking along the shoreline with a friend. Once we’d found somewhere to settle I looked at my phone to see a text from the client ‘Jamie, did I just see you at Elia beach?’….I replied and asked him where he was. Turns out he was with his husband on sunbeds about 50 metres away so once I checked it was ok I went over and said hello, and he joked that he only recognised me because I was naked. The husband knew he hired. Small world.

It’s 99% likely to be a scam. I bet there follows a request for bank details to be supplied for payment. Be highly suspicious.

Rent boy gets used here quite widely. I describe myself as sex worker. I think whore or prostitute does have some unfortunate baggage but I don’t mind being called those names. What I have noticed though is that clients don’t like to be referred to as a client! If I’m referring to others then they’re ok with the term but if I’m with a guy and I refer to him as ‘my client’ then he doesn’t like it, so I avoid it now.

Nice idea. I might use it. Although I do ask clients to shower before their massage. I like the idea of wiping feet because I do sometimes suck toes (it can be immensely sexy, some clients love it).

If the client is just a bit green and probably anxious then I’m fine to indulge them in longer discussion. Even though most probably won’t book, a few do (I’m estimating about 20%), those kind of clients are great to see when they do come. So it’s worth talking with them. Everyone has to start somewhere don’t they? Practical questions are ok too although if they open with ‘how much is it?’ then I’m 95% confident it won’t happen. At the end of the day it’s very easy to quickly identify the time wasters, and to cut them off.

You are being naive! It can start off rather innocently: ‘hi can you tell me about x or y during the session, I’m thinking of booking’…. this question gets asked despite your advert or website being quite clear about the activities. However some clients like to ask…so you answer with some detail without making it salacious. Then they say ‘will you do x to me?’ ….you reply ‘yes x can be included’. Then comes back ‘can I do x to you?’…’yes you can’. Then a picture arrives of a part of his anatomy ‘do you like my x?’. By now you know it’s a time waster and he’s sexting. I reply ‘if you’d like to book a session please let me know when and how long for’… Other ‘clients’ (they’ve never booked but they keep saying they’re ‘definitely booking once they’ve saved up / got a free day / visit your area / lost weight etc) message regularly to chat and ask questions about the work: ‘hey how’s it going? What pants are you wearing today?’ ‘Any clients today?’ or they’ll send a cock / ass pic for comment ‘waiting for you’ or ‘I need your cock’ etc. It’s like they think they have a special relationship with you. Other times you get clients who did visit text some time later (it’s usually weeks afterwards) to say how they enjoyed it (which is nice!) but then they also want to talk about their session and kind of deconstruct it: ‘did you enjoy it? Was I your best client?’ ‘Tell me what you liked about me?’ This is awkward to answer because sometimes it’s hard to remember any details but you don’t want him to think he was just another client. I keep some notes now (to help me for potential future visits) so I can remember what he liked etc. So I hope you can see that handling enquiries etc can take up a lot of time! I’d say only 50% of enquiries end up with a client booking. The rest just don’t happen for various reasons to do with window shoppers, schedules that don’t align and those shopping where they can’t afford it.

Some would say that’s an attraction. You could increase the price based on how many loads have been deposited.

Imagine being the last client of the day in a day where he’s had 10 30 minute sessions….

Maybe the solution is to keep the price the same but provide less for it? Have you noticed how some groceries or chocolates / sweets (candy for our US cousins) are getting smaller? They keep the price the same but almost imperceptibly the size of the product gets smaller… So I suggest keep your rates flat but maybe only use 80% of your dick when fucking the client? (I mean they’re still getting a lot more than average). Or in the small print of your advertising define an hour as 50 minutes? Perhaps speed up the clock in your bedroom? Maybe when massaging your client lop 20% off the length of each effleurage stroke? I think there’s lots of options to shave the service to maintain profit margins 😉. Seriously though…I don’t mean to make light of the issue @Jarrod_Uncut. I think it’s a genuine problem in this business. My rates have more or less stayed the same for 4 years. I think it’s a problem because the market is competitive and clients can be fickle. My costs have increased substantially especially recently. The worry is however that if you put up rates you’ll lose business. So you put off the increase until it becomes impossible and then you apply a big increase which clients notice. Maybe the answer is to do what many businesses do any apply an increase annually. Ultimately I think if you back the quality of what you offer then you should reflect that in the price.

You’re very understanding. As a provider I’ve had incidences where I’ve bottomed for the client and unfortunately it’s been a bit messy. Even if you think you have prepared thoroughly and are confident about being clean it can happen. Therefore I try to be understanding and not make a drama out of it.

Sad. Ok so an anecdote doesn’t mean it’s common…but here’s my experience of meth use. I’ve a provider friend who I’ve known for years. A beautiful intelligent and sexy guy. We met at a porn film shoot (an auspicious start!). We were not scheduled to film together but the director guy saw that we had connected so put us together. The shoot was as if a fireworks factory went up. We became friends, we saw a few clients together, did more films, had fun. Our orbits were different (I’m older, have some different interests) but as is the case in London, and in the gay scene especially, it’s a city village and we came across each other from time to time and kept in touch. We’d exchange helpful information on the business with each other (although my client base and modus operandi was a bit different to his). We’d also make recommendations of guys to film with (the Onlyfans collaboration circuit 😂) and share stories. There’s some experiences it’s better to talk about with another sex worker. Over time I became aware that he seemed to be going down a route that took in the London party scene and clients who liked PNP sessions. However he seemed to be ok with it and was having fun so I didn’t say anything. Then one time we were chatting via text and somehow ended up booking a weekend away together, as a chill out and break. We’re both kind of impulsive like that. The plan was, relax, shoot a film, eat, sight see, do random stuff. On the break I noticed he’d disappear into the bathroom for ages and he seemed to be constantly awake and slightly anxious. I didn’t ask and kind of assumed he was finding it hard to wind down. Other than that it was a nice break for both of us. A few months later I saw him and he looked like he’d aged years. He told me he’d been doing meth, including while we were away (how didn’t I notice?). He told me he realised he was on a path to destruction so he’d signed up for a course to get clean and had cut off all contacts with the circle of friends’ who’d got him into it. He asked for my help which I was happy to do. His story was that at first it was fun, and he felt he could handle it. He hid the effects of it successfully and appeared ok. Then, all of a sudden it changed and he went from ok to not ok in an instant without realising it. Fortunately he got out and is ok now but it was almost too late for him. As I said, it’s an anecdote. It’s not a controlled academic study into the impact of PNP but I thought I’d share because I saw someone who lived a beautiful life almost destroy themselves by opening a door they couldn’t close again.

That does sound like they can’t cope with it!

Wax for max smoothness. Although I do shave my balls. In the shower with foam and a razor. Works fine.

Some people can cope with it, lots can’t. I occasionally get asked but my answer is ‘no’ because I think I’d be one of those people who couldn’t cope with taking substances. I don’t even drink! Group is fine, happy to do that but once it becomes a PNP type event then I’m leaving. If you aren’t into it then best to decline