Jamie21

Don’t overthink it. Just book him if you want to try him. You don’t say how you saw he was offering services though? I assume he wasn’t advertising on Grindr (they don’t like you soliciting for work on their app). Book him via his massage services profile, wherever that is, rather than via Grindr.

I was referring to misconceptions about the costs independent masseurs have. Guys assume that because I charge say £150 for an hour then I’m on £1200 a day, £250k a year, and use that as justification for not tipping. That I have zero costs (no advertising costs, no supplies costs, no accommodation costs, no healthcare costs). That’s the misconception about how the business works.

The endless tipping debate. Notice that masseurs / escorts aren’t making much comment, and when they do it’s just to say ‘I’m pleased to get a tip but I don’t expect one’… that kind of thing. We generally don’t get worked up about it. I think it’s a hirer thing. The reasons given in this thread for whether or not clients tip are almost all to do with themselves and their views (often mistaken) on how the business works and not much to do with the actual service provided. Tipping seems to be more about making the hirer feel good about themselves or setting right inconsistencies or injustices they see in the provider’s pricing or adjusting some power dynamic. That’s fine, tip or don’t tip, up to you, but it really isn’t a big issue for providers. It’s appreciated of course but that’s it. It has no impact on how I set my rates, on what’s included in the session, on how I view the client or on whether I accept a future booking. What does impact those things is how respectful, clean, on time, reliable, regular etc the client is. Not whether he tips.

Since the early 60’s I think. It’s not especially old (in London terms).

If you go too far he will signal that to you, perhaps by moving your hand or by moving himself away from your hands. When I give massages I welcome clients touching me back, it’s great feedback. But sometimes they go too far too fast. If he’s touching me too much I might move towards his feet or out of reach so that I can slow things down a little. Touch as much as you like but be prepared for him to take charge on how much of it you can do.

There’s some obvious red flags: Pictures too good to be true, complicated procedures to go through to book / meet, requests for deposits. A combination of these should mean you’re best to walk away. Decent guys will have honest pictures (of them), be simple to hire and will only ask for payment after they’ve delivered the service.

I’ve visited the US many times but I won’t be back anytime soon. The risk of being turned away at the border is too high. I don’t put my face on my adverts but I do share it if clients ask. Understanding how zealous and censorious US border agents are I’d not want to take the chance that they know me and what I do.

I take cash (any currency, clients have paid me in £, US$, €) and can accept all credit cards. Venmo isn’t used here as far as I’m aware. PayPal is possible but I don’t like it. If you have a bank account with a platform like Revolut you can pay me from that too very easily (including payment in Crypto 😬). Banking is much more advanced here in Europe than it is in the US.

I always find that if the client’s legs are wide, back slightly arched, they enjoy (audibly) the inner thigh work…then it’s a sign to me that their bum needs plenty of work, in every way. Perhaps you need to signal this whilst on the table? If he’s up for it he’ll read the signs. If he’s not then he’ll gently close your legs and ensure the towels stay in place.

The problem is usually only one person gets the water. I think hotels need to offer two shower heads so that we can shower together and both get the hot water. Or provide really big rainfall shower heads.

There’s comfort and assurance in the familiar that some clients like. I have a regular who has I feel has trained me to deliver what he wants, or needs. In that sense, I feel like the widget. He’s clearly had some issues when he was younger, and that has influenced how he thinks about sex and how he can satisfy himself. The session is like a role play of what happened. I’ve tried to vary things, introduce different elements, explore and be less formulaic (which most clients like) but this guy wants the same scenario played over again, including specific words I use, positions and wearing the same clothing etc. He brings me back to it if I move away because nothing else works for him. I recognise what @haring222 says about taking the client because he’s reliable and regular but also resenting him because of the dynamics of the session. I really want to say to that client that he needs a therapists help rather than a session with me. I help him get off but I don’t think I’m helping him move on or to just have fun. Seeing clients usually leaves me feeling great but occasionally there’s those that drain you, literally and figuratively. Those kind of sessions you end up treating the client like a widget, yet they still come back.

Sorry I can’t help, on seeing the title of this topic, to add my homage to London Calling by The Clash. Here’s London Pricing by The London Masseur. London pricing to the faraway clients Now war is declared, and battle come down London pricing to the underworld Come out of the closet, you boys and girly boys London pricing now don't look too cheap Phoney clients have pockets too deep London pricing, see we ain't got no rock Except for the ring of that truncheon size cock (Chorus) The price age is coming, the fun’s zooming in Meltdown expected, the lube is growing thin Engines stop rubbing, but I have no fear 'Cause London is growing, and I live by the Rentmasseur. London pricing to the client’s moan Forget it brother, you can wank off alone London pricing to the zombies of cheap Quit holding out, in your pocket dig deep London pricing, and I don't wanna shout But while we were fucking, I saw you nodding out London pricing, see we ain't got no sale Except for that one with a cock like a whale (Chorus) The price age is coming, the fun’s zooming in Engines stop rubbing, the lube is growing thin A pricing error, but I have no fear 'Cause London is expensive, and I, I live by the Rentmasseur…

I do! It’s constant up and down 😉

Here’s the facts, for the avoidance of misunderstanding about OnlyFans. 1. If you ask an Onlyfans model on the platform about hiring them they won’t respond. Why? Because it will result in their Onlyfans being shut down. The platform won’t support that kind of thing (hypocritical yes…but that’s their policy). 2. Guys on Onlyfans are marketing their content. It’s designed to get you to subscribe to watch. Just like advertising for any other product. Caveat emptor applies. Ensure you buy with your head not your cock. 3. The person interacting with you in messages probably won’t be the actual model you watch, especially if they’re a very popular model. Do you really think these guys sit around all day replying to the same messages? They outsource it to a management company which uses people (and AI) to reply. 4. There’s nothing wrong with guys producing content on Onlyfans. It has liberated people who want to make porn (or other content) from the control of studios. Now the model is in charge of what they make, what they charge and when it’s published etc. They’ll succeed or fail depending on how well they connect with their audience. How do I know? I make Onlyfans (and Justforfans) content and have done for years. I get regular contact from managers /agents asking if I want to use them to help me with it. I decline them because I have a guy who does some of that work (editing and uploading/scheduling). I respond myself to messages from fans because it’s manageable for me (I’m not one of the big models 😢 although I’m in the top 10% on Onlyfans and the top 2% on Justforfans - you can imagine there’s a very long tail of models with only a handful of subscribers and a small number of models in the top 1% with subscribers in the tens of thousands). I find doing the films is fun, I like that it gives me some creative outlet and the guys I film with are almost always really nice and interesting people. But it’s different to seeing clients in person and I prefer that. With a client you can focus on the client 100%, whereas when making a film you’re thinking about camera angles, what will look good and who is doing what. The final edit looks great but you should remember the boring bits have been edited out: the less flattering views, the part after sex where his cock wasn’t clean 💩! and where someone had to stop to pee. All that messy stuff that happens in a real session is edited out. You’re watching something that isn’t real. Enjoy it but don’t get drawn in to thinking it’s real, and that by engaging with the model or hiring him you’ll get exactly that experience.

Yes you’re probably overthinking it. I’ve asked clients if they are ok to move a pre booked time. It’s usually to accommodate another booking. If they say no then it’s fine, we stick to the original plans. If they’re flexible then that’s great, we reschedule. I make it clear to them when asking that if it’s any trouble to them then the original booking holds. First come first served and all that.

Oh yes I always forget that because it seems so normal and sensible for adults to be able to discuss escorting openly. Unfortunately if you live in a more conservative country you will need to be discreet. Aside from that it’s a good idea to book a guy for massage style services to see if you like him. If the first meeting goes well then broach the idea of a more escort style session for your next visit. He’s more likely to say yes if you both got along nicely.

I keep records like that. Discreetly of course. Sometimes I find the note I kept is a bit cryptic “no feet” probably meant he doesn’t want feet massage rather than he lacks feet. I note only a few important details such as definite turn ons, dislikes and any physical characteristics that are notable. Recently I saw a guy who I’d seen about 18m prior. In my notes I had written ‘very responsive, likes kissing probably a top’. Suitably prepared I saw him for his second visit and it turned out he really didn’t want to kiss, was fairly passive and asked to get fucked. I think I might have misread his first visit, or got the wrong guy. That’s unusual though. Most of the time my notes really help, especially if he’s returning after a year or longer.

I’ve had clients book me because they know of me from here. I guess it works the other way too…potential clients on here thinking to themselves ‘I’m not booking him’. On balance I think it can only be positive to be present in spaces like this. The more clients know what you’re like the more confident they can be in booking. It’s half the battle if a client is confident they got the right guy for them before they walk through the door. I’m not here though just for business (I say without irony ….conscious that my sign off is promoting my website and fans sites 😂). I like the community insight the platform provides. I like the sharing of info and ideas and the largely respectful and constructive way it’s done, from both masseurs/escorts and clients. Online there are very few spaces like that so it’s important to nurture and value such a space when you find it.

Exactly. It appears he’s trying to direct traffic to his OF which is monetised. If he’s available for hire he’d definitely not want to discuss that on his OF profile because that will get his OF banned. I get guys messaging me on my OF profile asking about booking me and I simply can’t reply because of the risk. All I can say is ‘send me a DM via X’.

I’ve been taken to Annabel’s in Berkeley Square (private high end London club for those not familiar) by a client, and to a chain coffee shop for a coffee and cake. It really doesn’t matter (although it did feel special at the club…the toilets are astonishing!) it’s the company that matters most. That said, I prefer an out call at a quality hotel rather than a lower end chain hotel. It just somehow feels a bit downbeat at those chain hotels. The walls are thin too.

I’d say yes you can. I’m on Rentmasseur only but I get clients asking for escort style services, it’s fine by me and I think most guys advertising on RMasseur are comfortable working in that grey area between escort and masseur. If he advertises therapeutic only then maybe avoid asking for anything sexual but if he offers sensual or erotic go ahead and ask what the lines are.

Good luck! Here’s what I learned (not exhaustive). If you’re travelling get a table that’s portable. First one I got was lovely and comfortable but just too big and heavy to carry any distance. Go by gut instinct to avoid ‘time waster / difficult’ clients. If in doubt, decline the business. It’s just not worth it. You get better at identifying the red flags as time goes by. Keep records. A big spreadsheet. Very important. Clients need to have a suitable space for the table. Often they forget that you need to be able to walk around it. When they book, check this with them. Get some decent professional pictures done for your advertising. It shows you’re taking the job seriously. …and that part of your message tells me you’ll be successful. I totally agree with getting into ‘the flow of the massage dance’ and listening to the body. 🙂

I’d say it’s the difference between using a bulb and using the shower attachment….. 😉

Yes, and it can also get divorced from the audio in a phone call. Nothing beats sitting across from, or even better next to someone when they explain what they want. Writing it down or speaking it over the phone can be too difficult. Sometimes I get clients like that. They really don’t want to put it in a text, and definitely not speak to me on the phone (no one under 65 makes phone calls any more!). They want an opportunity at the start of the session for a conversation and that’s where they ask. It can be quite difficult to work out how long someone wants for that chat. I remember one guy telling me on text that he wanted to talk to me before the session about what he’d like. I assumed it would be just something brief like ‘nothing on my feet, my foreskin is tight so be gentle and lots of body contact etc’ but it was much more profound. I sat next to him on the table, held his hand while he told me why he was here and how he felt. It was an unburdening; both mental through the chat and physical through the massage. There’s no way he could have conveyed what he needed in a text or phone call. An incredibly emotional experience. That can only be done in person.

That’s exactly what a good provider does when you meet him first time. I’ve said it before, regarding sensual massage: you’re working the mind as well as the body. The mind is the biggest sex organ (even if he’s 10 inches 😂).