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19 hours ago, Peter Eater said:

Rick Donovan (“The Biggest One I Ever Saw,” etc.). Met him in a grocery store. Quiet, nice guy. Back at his place, nearby, we had fun, although he was almost too large to take. But I managed. The ceiling mirror above his four poster helped as a distraction - sort of like watching a video, but interactive.

Porn Star Rick Donovan

WWW.DADDYSHERE.COM

 

Wow, Rick Donovan.  I remember loving his scenes back in the 1980s.  What I remember most about him, apart from his massive dick, are the massive cum shots he gave.  Always hot for me to see a guy who squirts more and/or farther than average.

I'll be "that guy":

You joined the site (well, its predecessor) over a decade ago, so you cannot blame being a newbie for your minimal efforts thus far.

You started this thread asking for recommendations in a particular location without giving any parameters (sexual position, age, etc) or referencing some providers in that area that at least physically match what you desire.  Then when someone recommends someone they met but didn't hire, instead of searching for previous discussion about that provider you ask in this thread whether anyone has hired him.  If you search, you will find a thread where some members recommended him after having hired him within the past year or two.  Someone else posted a naked photo of him in another thread, presumably one of his hidden photos in his ad. 

Maybe I'm just a bit irritable from a tough day at work, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect fellow forum members to put a little more effort into researching providers.

45 minutes ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

this all true.  However, that’s not the typical provider career trajectory 

Just go to RM (or similar) and sort by age: majority are less than 30 yrs old or they claim to be less.  The number of providers drops off significantly after age 30 and again after 40.  There are very few 40 - 50 and almost none over 50.  This isn’t disrespect for older providers…it’s just the facts based on online resources.  I prefer providers over 35 and am very familiar how few there are, depending on location.

And stands to reason if there are very few working guys over age 40, then very few have made it a longterm successful career & were able to completely retire. 

On the flip side, the guys over 40 in my experience, tend to be more professional, serious & treat the job as a real career.  If someone approaches their work that way and is careful with their money, then entirely possible to retire. 

I think the markets are flooded with young guys thinking being a provider is easy money & try it for a while until they move on to something else. Or they figure out it’s not easy money and it’s not a good fit for their skill sets.   I’ve known some that have traditional jobs or in school and only do it part-time for extra income.

The guys who are true professionals and do this work long-term are few & far between.  My sense is those are the guys you go when you want to be guaranteed a great experience.

I'm certainly not denying your facts.  In fact in San Francisco on Rentmen currently there are:

6 pages of ads for escorts claiming to be 30 or younger.

5 pages of ads for guys claiming to be 30-40 years old; 3 pages of that are men 35 and under, 2 pages men 35-40.

1 1/2 pages for men aged 40-50.

And less than one full page from age 50 on up.

I think my point is that while this industry certainly favors younger guys, and many guys who do this when they are young adults don't stay in the industry for very long, there certainly is a market for older men providing they not only have qualities that still appeal to their client base but also know how to provide an experience satisfying enough that they have repeat clients. 

The only time I paid for a provider for someone else's birthday ended up not being so great (from my perspective), so I wouldn't do it again.  It's not a bad idea if you can work out the logistics (not terribly difficult) and you know that the gift recipient is interested in the provider in question.  There's no way I'd want such a gift if it was just a friend who knows me and knows I've hired escorts who selected someone based on their idea of who's appealing.  I have one such friend who frequently shows me ads for guys and, for the most part, they don't appeal to be either because of looks or because of the written content in their ads. 

13 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

My thread has to do with a current error. 

Not errors of the past.

 

You're missing the point here.  If you scan for the same kind of error in other current ads, you'll surely find guys whose ads have been on long enough that they, too, would have been under 18 when they started advertising if their current stated age is correct.  I think the suggestion here is that if you want to help Rentmen clean up their database with respect to errors like this, you'll encounter a lot of ads that don't make sense in terms of age so you will have a lot of reporting to do.  And, in the end, I think that if Rentmen thought this was an issue they would have already instituted some process to make sure this could not happen.

You think Rentmen cares about an advertiser lying about his age?  I'm amused.

I don't think the guy in the photos is currently 19 unless he's already been living a tough life.

Unfortunately it has happened to me several times.  I've had guys no-show who were supposed to come to my place, and typically when someone doesn't show up they just don't bother to respond to texts asking where they are.  One guy had the nerve, however, of replying that he was on his way to visit his family for the holidays and questioning why I would think it was okay to make an appointment right before Christmas.  Uh, because you agreed to said appointment?  Seemed obvious to me that if the guy didn't want to schedule something on December 24th he could have just said so.  The funny/awkward thing is that I frequently saw him at my gym after that.  Hot looking guy but because of his rudeness I always just ignored him.  Another time I traveled to the hotel where some guy said he would be staying because we had an agreed-upon appointment time and he said he would give me his room number after he checked in.  Didn't hear back from him before I traveled to his hotel, didn't hear back from him when I was outside his hotel; in fact, he never responded. 

It's bad enough to stand someone up, but one would think that at least a simple acknowledgement/apology would be in order. 

1 hour ago, Ali Gator said:

What I don't understand - he said his rent includes a gym as one of the amenities, yet he pays $500+ for an outside gym membership (he was paying around $200/mo but then it went up when he changed to the 'Chicago' location). Why not use the gym on the premises ?

I assume the gym in his building is good enough for most people but not people seriously into body building.  For example, I think the maximum dumbbell weight in my condo gym is 70 pounds; more than I'll ever need, but I definitely saw guys using heavier weights when I went to an actual gym.  In terms of weight plates, I also don't think there are enough of those in high enough weights to provide a challenge to serious weightlifters.  There's also not a lot of room to work out due to all of the equipment in the gym.

But the other reason might be that he likes the social scene of the gym.  Where I live, there generally are only a couple of people in the gym at any one time.  There were more people at the real gym I used to go to at 4:00 a.m.!

And there are other threads about ChineseHOT here as well.

I assume you didn't search before posting?

Renting someone's apartment versus staying in a hotel is definitely a gamble.  While I have never been entirely disappointed by an Airbnb or VRBO rental, there's always been something that was disappointment.  My best experience was in Los Angeles, near Paramount Studios.  The living room was nice, the kitchen was nice, there was a washer/dryer and dishwasher.  Unfortunately, the bed was just okay -- certainly not as comfortable as a standard hotel bed.  Another apartment had a better bedroom with a more comfortable bed, but two nights out of five we were awakened in the middle of the night due to neighbors setting off fireworks for over an hour.  (This was pre-pandemic; I know that random fireworks that have nothing to do with the 4th of July have become a bigger problem since 2020.)  The worst was a rental on Kauai.  It was basically a converted laundry room behind someone's house; on my approach to the property, I was hoping that I had taken a wrong turn because the front yard looked like a junk yard.  At least it was a tropical destination and I wasn't planning to spend a lot of time at the property anyway, but the place really was one step above a dump.

2 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

Say you ARE recorded without your knowledge or consent. It might stop right there, without anyone else seeing it. It has to be pretty compelling footage for someone to be motivated to post it. It could be at the wrong angle, or without the best lighting, or maybe the footage is just not that interesting in general. Maybe the way you look is not that interesting to the peeping Tom.

Say it passed those tests and ends up on the internet somewhere. For some, the concern ends right there. People don’t even know who you are, or care, unless you’re a well known national or international public figure. Most people aren’t. You probably don’t even know it’s online and will never find it in the first place.

Your face is likely blurred. Many sites are better about privacy and consent now, although not all. The biggest names in online video content require all parties to consent to the video being posted, especially if the video is monetized in any way.

Say you manage to find a video of yourself online. You can request to have it taken down or take legal actions to force it to be taken down and have the Tom pay for your legal fees. Nobody wants to deal with the legal fallout, so you have the upper hand.

I get it. No one wants to be secretly recorded or have their privacy violated. But still, in the worst case, the consequences for most people are pretty minimal. I’m not saying hidden cams are acceptable or that we should tolerate them. I’m just saying that most clients have little to worry about in the grand scheme of things.

Well known public figures presumably have the means to control the environment such as having an outcall at a hotel or at their home, hiring private security, and making the provider sign an NDA, among other measures. Those with a true, compelling need for privacy already have it.

Hate to break it to you guys, but most clients aren’t the kinds of people someone cares to post videos of on the internet. What you do behind closed doors is, by and large, not that interesting.

I understand what you are saying, and I don't disagree in the sense that hidden camera footage of most client activity isn't likely to be posted online because there simply wouldn't be much interest. 

I read the concern to be more about the potential for blackmail, though, and it doesn't matter if the camera angle is bad or the client is the ugliest man in the world.  If the footage contains recognizable images, someone could attempt to use it to extort money from the client.  I just think the odds of this are so low that it isn't worth thinking about, but I have read here that some clients have been blackmailed (or at least there were attempts to blackmail them) simply because they answered someone's ad.  So I don't think this concern is just paranoia, depending on what one's situation is.  But there really is no way to avoid all potential risks, only to minimize them, and if someone feels better being in control of the meeting space (i.e., renting a hotel room themselves for the meeting) then they certainly should do so.

55 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

I'm sure that really hot escorts who became "kept boys" or married achieved it. EDIT Or escorts that were lucky enough to receive some inheritance from a client, a well-paying job, or even a business.

With the speed at which escorts depreciate, I understand it's near-impossible to work long enough to achieve that on your own. I've met my share of providers who thought they'd live leisurely after working between age 18 and 25, but weren't able to.

There's always the jet-set call boys, but that requires not only looks and a good body, but a good education as well. And they depreciate too. Remember what Andrew Cunanan ended up doing.

What is the speed at which escorts depreciate?   There are definitely escorts who post here who have been in the business for over a decade, if not two decades.  There are escorts who didn't even start their careers until after 40.

Based on someone I know and the impression I have from some long-time escorts here, the answer is that it's possible to be a very successful escort and invest one's money wisely.  That takes more than just being willing to be hired by clients, though.  Despite some people believing this is "easy money," to actually build a business (and the truly successful escorts have clients who hire them regularly) requires providing an experience so good that the clients keep returning instead of just moving on to the next new guy advertising in their area.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same Heath that was part of the Heath and Matt duo that received lots of negative comments on the previous site several years ago. 

I definitely hired the Heath shown in the current ad many years ago in San Francisco.  What stands out in my mind is that I very much enjoyed my first massage with him and then the second one was almost as if a different person was there (even though it was clear it was the same man).  I never did figure out why he was so friendly and engaged the first time I hired him and then seemed so unfriendly just a month or two later.

I only get actual gifts for two people at this point in my life. For many people, just paying for their birthday dinner and then them paying for mine constitutes the gift giving.  I much prefer this because gift cards aren't personal anyway (you're basically just exchanging cash with friends that is already tied up with a specific retailer) and there isn't much that anyone can buy me that I want that I don't already own (within reason, I mean -- I'm not so wealthy that any of my friends would spend several thousand dollars on a gift).

For people who are just visiting your area, lessening the chance that they will reciprocate and pay for the host's birthday dinner at some point, I can understand your disappointment in their manners but even if they had bought a gift for you you would be the beneficiary, not the person who bought their meal.

19 hours ago, azdr0710 said:

we all really mean "near-hit", of course!.......a near-miss would be an actual hit, right??!!

 

 

Actually, I don't think a near miss means a hit.  There can be a near miss and a miss that's so far away that it cannot be considered a near miss.  To my ears and brain, near miss means that there was almost a hit, but a small distance or small amount of time prevented a hit from happening.  If the miss is farther way, it's just a miss or, if it's really far away, one might say, "You missed it by a mile."  Near hit, if you think about it, doesn't really make any sense in this case.  You could say, "You nearly hit me" but not "you near hit me," and people would understand that there was no hit but it was a close call.  

Back to the actual subject of this thread, I don't feel any more unsafe flying now than I ever did.  I do get anxious while flying, especially if the takeoff or landing is rough, but generally have faith that the pilot is well trained and the plane has been well maintained.  It certainly feels safer than riding in someone else's car.

With respect to near miss versus near hit, here's Merriam-Webster's take on it:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/near-miss-near-hit-word-history-usage

Clearly the advertiser wanted to cast someone who wasn't so unattractive that most viewers would be repulsed but not so attractive that he would be recognized by most as a sex symbol.  They did a good job.  I wouldn't hire him as an escort because one can certainly find more attractive men in that line of work, but I don't think he's unattractive.

This highlights a problem for some sex workers: Just because you are your own boss doesn't mean that you should run your business without regard to the satisfaction of your customers.  Given that scheduling is in the hands of the provider, he can easily set parameters such as "I only take same day appointments" or "I do not take same day appointments."  The only valid excuse for making an appointment that you neither keep nor explicitly cancel in advance is incapacitation.  And it isn't difficult to text someone to cancel or reschedule, so simply ghosting someone makes no sense unless one really doesn't care about one's reputation.

I'll just toss this out there: Despite the risks of STIs with unprotected oral sex, I think you'll find that most people don't use condoms for oral sex.  I personally could never get into sucking on a penis with a condom on, but I will admit that I didn't try a lot of different condoms to see if I could find one that didn't bother me from both a taste and texture perspective.  Given how many people use PrEP now as their only STI prevention (which only reduces the chances of HIV infection and doesn't prevent the transmission of any other STI), I doubt you're going to find a lot of forum members using condoms for oral sex.  Even before PrEP, I think regular condom use was typically reserved for anal sex among gay men.

Still, I don't mean to disparage your desire to be on the more cautious side when it comes to safer sex.  Do a Google search and you will find some sites that give suggestions for condoms (both traditional condoms and "tongue condoms") for oral sex.

1 hour ago, robear said:

There's always a "cat and mouse" aspect of erotic massage, to me it's why it's fun. A lot of providers will recoil from too many explicit "do you do this, do you do that" inquiries, especially from a new unknown client. If that's what you want, escort service is what you're seeking, at appropriate rates. As has been attested here many times, repeat visits with a masseur you click with often improves the experience, as provider and client both get to know each other's boundaries and expectations. Loading a lot of expectations on a first, possibly one-off, visit will often lead to frustration.

 

I agree with not being too specific with someone you've never met.  I'm thinking something a little more nuanced than direct questions like, "Can I blow you? Will you fuck me?"  I agree that if one is looking for specific sexual activity, one should just hire an escort.  However, there is nothing wrong with communicating some general expectations such as expecting more than just jerking yourself off at the end of the massage.

The age-old dilemma of hiring a guy for "erotic massage" and then wondering what, exactly, that means to that provider.  As discussed many times here, there is no set definition of "erotic massage" which, unfortunately, results in some guys advertising that they provide that service when they end up doing nothing more than an untrained body rub with nothing erotic about it other than that they are touching you.  And sometimes it goes the other way, with a masseur providing full service and not just a little mutual touch.  I've had experiences all along the spectrum, so if you really want to know what a specific provider offers before hiring him then you need to ask him.

By the way, in dark mode the text in your post is impossible to read.  When I turn off dark mode your post looks like the others in this thread.  I'm not sure what setting you used in terms of how your posts will appear, but you might want to check that so that your posts are readable in both light mode and dark mode.

At first I thought that those of you taking that video ad seriously were being naive, but after searching for the company online I don't know what to think.  The video is so stupid that I thought it had to be just a poorly done parody, but I guess it was just done to get attention (and it worked since it got featured on some television programs).

What to do about it now is a very different question than how you could have handled the situation.  I will focus on the latter, which is what you asked:

What either/both of you should have done is talk about it in the moment so there wouldn't be any weird after-the-fact wondering about the other one's expectations.  As the provider, one could argue that it was his responsibility to broach the subject by saying something like, "Would you like me to spend the night at X rate?" or "If you want, I can stay the night, gratis."   Given he didn't do this, I think that you should have simply said something like, "I'm sorry that my budget is spent for this trip.  You're welcome to stay if you want because I'm really enjoying being with you, but I cannot afford to pay you anything additional this trip."

Maybe this news got fed to you due to other articles and websites you've visited?  As I wrote, I haven't seen a thing about any of this outside of what got posted here.

This reminds me of a puzzle I had a year or so ago: Suddenly my Facebook feed was full of articles about the Kardashians.  It was annoying me and I started to hide them and indicate I wasn't interested.  At the same time, I posted a question to my friends (and I have a very small friend list and strict privacy settings) asking if anyone had any idea why all of a sudden this family was being marketed to me when I didn't think I had sought out anything related to them.  One of my friends laughed and said that now that I had mentioned them in my post, I was sure to see even more posts about them.  I guess I am posting this to suggest that it isn't wise to even read about something that you find distasteful let some algorithm assume you are interested in it in a positive sense.