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I've been on hiring break for a couple weeks. But prior to that i hadn't noticed any issues. The providers who are good had still been good and the ones who weren't good either stayed not good or eventually got better once they figured out how this works. I hadn't noticed or experienced any broader shift in how providers treat us personally. The customer is definitely not always right though lol.

"I never do X or Y with anyone but you/a select few" is 1,000% what he's telling his other clients too. It's part of the job/performance. I figured this out myself with a past provider who also was really good at making me feel good (I've also had a provider do extras at no extra cost, he just does flat rate to undercut the competition and it wasn't a special offer/exception for me specifically). This isn't a bad thing though, it's ok to let it make you feel good, that's ultimately what you're paying for! Just don't let yourself get carried away with it and think it's real outside of the business arrangement. In my opinion. You kind of have to treat it like actors acting in a movie. A method actor who is filming a scene, between "Action" and "Cut", what they/their character is feeling is "real". But once the filming is done, they are back in the real world and are no longer the character or feeling what the character is feeling. That's kind of how I've learned to see it personally. They definitely can, but i think it's pretty much always in the same way that you might develop a good rapport with your favorite barista at Starbucks, and almost never in terms of them wanting to be friends/date you outside of work. The barista might be extra courteous to you or give you an extra pump of syrup in your drink as a show of appreciation for being a cool customer, but it's not going to extend beyond that context.

I've hada slightly similar experience in the past. A masseur quoted me 180/hr or 225/90 minutes. I never go to masseurs expecting or demanding extras but i have asked and it's obviously their choice to say yes/no or play coy till they meet me and decide during the session. He said yes and that there was no extra cost for them. This agreement was made before he saw me, so me being hot or not was not a factor. That's just the default service he provides. He's also from another country but immigrated to the U.S. a few years ago and i've heard the norms/expectations of what masseurs provide are different in other countries. So i assumed it was a cultural difference. But yeah to @ProudWhore's point, experiences like these may taint the expectations of other clients. At the end of the day, this industry has no regulations and every one conducts their business differently. Which means there's no one set of "correct" expectations clients will have.

Hmmm, maybe it's a location/city thing? Depending on what your definition of All American is, i feel like there's plenty of those guys providing.

Yeah there are plenty, you just have to go beyond RMs front page which is just all the biggest dick having-est body builder gods who pay to get boosted on the front page. If you use the search and set the dick size setting, or whatever else. You can find exactly what you're looking for long as guys like that are in your area (this is a factor you can't really do much about though).

You won't have a problem with the majority of providers as others have said above, but i definitely understand the concern. It's one i had when i first started this too. If you have an attribute that's not what they are most used to working with it'll help to let them know ahead of time so they can make accommodations if needed. The providers also will not find it weird if you don't want to get fully naked, you don't have to. But that again is something you may want to tell them ahead of time. Especially if the provider you're hiring is going to be performing a massage. That's generally not something done with a shirt on. At the same time, CMNM (clothed male, nude male) is a kink/fetish people have where you engage in the usual "activities" but one person stays clothed. This is something many providers (particularly ones who mention being kink friendly on their profiles) will likely already be familiar with so it shouldn't be an issue. As others have said, providers are used to a wide range of body types and age ranges. The best thing you can do is just be hygienic for them. A thorough brushing of the teeth + mouth wash and thorough bath/shower before the meet goes a LONG way. A provider will prefer a client who's obese and clean over a fit guy who hasn't showered in 3 days every single time.

For some people I'm sure it is part of the fantasy. They want the attention from the provider and to get flirted with and be called pet names and stuff. Stuff some of us aren't getting in real life from guys. I'm mostly with you though, the heart emojis and "babe"/"sexy"/etc doesn't really do anything for me cause it's the thinnest part of the veil of what they're doing if that makes sense. Especially if they start calling you that kind of stuff before they've even actually seen you, it kind of immediately pops the bubble in my suspension of disbelief. Though i do think it can be "earned" though as you get more familiar with a provider over time/sessions. It doesn't truly bother me except for "daddy" though, i actively dislike being called daddy cause I'm one of the few people who has never taken to the sexual connotations of "daddy". Daddy to me just means, my father, and that's not what i want coming to mind when texting/talking to/being physical with a provider (or any guy). I also don't like it because, as a millennial, i just don't feel old enough to have earned the moniker even if i was into it haha.

Definitely true, that's kind of the male privilege we have in society. A scenario like that doesn't usually clock as dangerous to us at all. But things like that are entirely different for women and they have to have a much greater sense of "danger can be around any corner" than we ever do. They have to go through life treating every gun (man) like it's loaded (dangerous) so to speak. Going off of this. I've noticed it's pretty common these days for younger guys who do Grindr/Sniffies hookups to send a close friend the profile photo, phone number, and address of the guy's house they're going to and a directive of "if i don't text you by the morning call the police". That kind of thing was already becoming more normal as a number of really unfortunate attacks/robberies of gay/bi men via Grindr/hookup apps got news attention, and then especially after that Jeffrey Dahmer Netflix series came out and freaked people out. So i think the younger providers asking clients for photos, while probably they want to get a sense of how "manageable" you are in the attractiveness sense as some suggested, it's also probably part of a "if i don't text you by tomorrow call the police" kit they're sending to a friend. It's not a preemptive "he looks unsafe" judgement like others up thread said, it's more likely a "in case the worst happens here's some evidence to hopefully find me and who did it" measure.

Me personally, both replies from provider 2 and 3 would be totally acceptable to me and all else being equal I'd just book both on different nights. This kind of thing isn't a big deal to me at all. Providers aren't "on the clock" with me till we're in a room together. So how they communicate with me in messages prior to the meet isn't something i judge them on as part of the service. I kind of see it like calling a restaurant to book a table. If they can make the booking quickly and answer a question i have efficiently then that's all that's truly needed for me cause i know they're busy and juggling other people who also are trying to book them. If they want to be extra polite or make jokes that's cool, i'll joke back or whatever, but I'm not really handing out bonus points for doing it, nor knocking them for not doing it. I'll judge the chef's cooking and how the wait staff treat me when I'm actually there at the restaurant. The only time a providers initial communications put me off was when one guy was (i learned after the fact) likely so high as a kite that he couldn't even carry a conversation. He couldn't respond to requests/questions i had, tell me his rate, or where he was hosting. He only responded in emojis, jokes and GIFs. He actively made the booking process difficult/impossible, and that's what i don't like.

Similar to most here, no face pics on the profile is fine long as i get them in a DM/text or a video call. But i absolutely would not meet a provider who wants it to be a totally anonymous meetup where you don't see their face till you get there. I don't think that's common anyway though.

I never said they were there. I'm saying the scenario is not far fetched because other people NOT related to SavantSav have experienced exactly what they described. The fact that you're so bone headedly stubborn to keep doubling and tripling down on your dumb point, that you didn't understand that the other people were confirming the scenario happened to them separately and independently to what SavantSav described kinda proves my point that you're trying way too hard to assert your own experiences as the norm that everyone else here experiences or didn't actually experience. Which, again, has you looking really ridiculous here. Especially when in your own very next paragraph you talk about all your own regulars who also have told you of similar experiences. So what is it about SavantSav, that suddenly you know for such fact the review they're referring to is BS? Do you see the silliness in your argument here?

Funny how you didn't address SavantSav pointing out that other people here corroborated the experience you called BS on (cause you're wrong). You're trying way too hard to assert your experiences as the norm that everyone else here experiences too, while also being sassy about it, and it's making you look silly. And also like SavantSav said, not everyone who PNPs lists that on their RM profiles. Your suggestion there is a good one but it's not a guarantee or something anyone can have true control over because people sometimes lie or omit that information.

I'm not a provider so i can't fully relate, but just in general. I feel like those cities you listed just aren't places where most guys who have the financial means to hire regularly are at. Especially guys with resources for 3+ hour sessions or overnights or multi day bookings. I feel like Arkansas is not where those people reside. RM boosting it's popularity doesn't fix that, and possibly only would draw potential unwanted attention (law enforcement/government) to the site. Which could lead to possible shutdown, much like Craigslist or rent boy and such. And yeah with Grindr and other hookup apps, things are different than the Craigslist days. Majority of people are not going to hookup apps to hire, they go there specifically to have actual real hookups. So of course they're going to be annoyed and block you when you mention them having to spend. Asking that of people on those apps kinda hits the same note as guys on Grindr who are just there to promote their OnlyFans (people don't like that). To them, you're basically doing the same thing as those annoying sugar daddy spam texts. People are on those apps looking for someone who's actually attracted to them to hook up with, not to spend money. There's of course some guys who are gen who hire off Grindr/hookup apps, but that's just not going to be the norm on those apps. Especially in this economy. You'd probably be better off advertising on Twitter/X. Post content and get into the porn side of the Twitter algorithm, grow a following, and people will DM you or you can link them to your RM page or other website. I've seen tons of OnlyFans creators who do financial domination and they find clients for that on Twitter via DMs or from diverting followers to Telegram for example. I can't speak to how big the findom market is, but it's one that can be done regardless of distance because not all of those people want/need the in person element. I've also seen one or two OnlyFans creators on Twitter who just have their RM link right in their Twitter bio (which then advertises it to anyone who stumbles upon your profile, for free). But also yeah this doesn't really work unless you make porn content to post.

I can't explicitly recommend him cause i didn't get to try him myself when he was in L.A. this past Summer, but this guy exists: https://rent.men/Maxstarkey This thread on him exists as well, a few people vouched for him in the thread. To recap what i said there, I spoke to him in DMs at the time and he sends face pics and nudes (but quickly unsends them as he is very DL/Discreet because of his job apparently) and told me in the RM DMs he's Korean. Seems like a nice guy from the chats i had with him but i didn't get to see him cause of schedule. Looks like he's currently in New York though. He has a lot more reviews on his RM page now compared to when this thread was new.

I've experienced this before during a 4 hand massage a long time ago. One guy couldn't get hard when it got time for the fun part and left early and i continued with the other guy solo, still gave the other guy a little something cause he still did the massage though. Wasn't a big deal at all. Stuff happens and performers sometimes have off days or might have personal life stuff on their mind, and like all the rest of us, we still gotta show up for work and do the best we can (but sometimes it's too much and you just gotta call out/leave early). I've had experiences where they don't do everything they agreed on in messages/texts, and i've had experiences where they just weren't good at "performing" in the sense of pretending to be into it/into me/helping to create "chemistry". Which is somewhat a buzzkill obviously. There's plenty of threads on this forum about bad experiences, flakes, no shows, etc (both from the client and the provider perspective). However, i've also had FANTASTIC experiences as well. It's all just part of the game. Just because they are hired professionals doesn't mean it will always go perfectly every time. When you do this hobby, you are taking a chance on what the outcome will be. Sounds like your first two tries weren't great, but like with a lot of things, you have to sift through the bad to find the good, and the good usually makes the search worth it.

Unless the provider forced the client to leave him a 5 star review in front of him under duress, why would the client leave a glowing review for a bad experience? Did they say why they gave a 5 star review if they hated it and warned you to stay away? I guess maybe one of those "i feel bad leaving a bad review even though i got a horrible experience" guys, now that i think about it.

They do it because they think it makes them look more bro/cool/masculine, which is usually how they're trying really hard to advertise and present themselves as. Because, in their defense, that's what a lot of clients are looking for out of them.

Which is unfortunate. I'm noticing other countries in Europe are starting to do a similar thing. I admittedly was more so thinking US Domestic, where we still have the option to opt out for now.

Everything we acquiesce to now opens the door for further privacy over reach later. So, while you're right on this particular use case of facial recognition. It's more so a principle of the matter thing to me. And also in general, even if what you describe is how they use it and nothing more. We've been in the era of data breaches and leaks for like 15+ years now. And our government isn't exactly secure with how they handle our data lately. So i think that's a valid concern. It's one of those things where it's not a big deal and it's fine, until suddenly it's not.

Makes me wonder if the provider is talking about you to this other client often. How else would the other client know when you've had sessions with the provider (i guess unless you leave a new review after every session)?

Having the funds for hiring but not having transportation is a very odd choice of priorities, i gotta say.

The most recent reviewer, if you click Read All on his profiles reviews he's left, has reviews for 3 other providers dating back to 2020. That reviewer is probably real, which would make me think this provider is probably real as well.

I would imagine they'd probably/maybe tell some of their longest time regulars they were retiring (just so they know or maybe even get a "one last time" in), but for the general public I'd think they would just delete their ad and vanish.

Seconding this. These age/ID requirements haven't hit my state yet, but just going off of where this is all heading, i got a VPN and started using crypto for Rentmen a little while ago just to already be ahead of it. For VPNs, i like Proton, but there's many of them that are good (and also many that are basically spyware/malware, so be careful!). For anyone shopping around for VPNs, the biggest thing to look for is ones that say they do not keep logs and have 3rd party code audits to prove such. Both Proton and Windscribe (and others) do this.

I've definitely noticed it a lot on RM profiles. And even Grindr/Sniffies profile. PNP is definitely on the rise. I've also noticed a lot of providers are also "plugs"/selling various things. More providers list it because more and more people are asking it of them i would assume, and it lets them subtly advertise their other menu so to speak.