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No one is saying you HAVE to pay the deposit, again, what i'm saying is don't be an asshole just because some providers do charge one. Providers ask for them to get some kind of peace of mind that the client is serious about the meet, not because they think they're hot shit, the latter of which is the general consensus here in this thread and is the attitude i'm calling out. I literally never said anywhere we clients HAVE to pay the deposit. That's the disconnect. I'm very specifically talking about the "gasp, how DARE a provider have the GALL to ask for a deposit" as if providers have no legitimate reason to ask for one, attitude on display in the thread.

I don't think comparisons to other businesses are really that apt in this particular topic. It's an unregulated/not legal profession (for most of us, i know not everyone here is American) that is unlike literally any other profession. There are no legal protections for either the client or the provider and legal protections are what set the expectations you refer to for other industries. So it's up to us as individuals to decide how to treat each other and many here choose catty-ness and apathy. It's not surprising that customers want to be treated like valued customers and we overwhelmingly are, but I'm just saying the "until proven otherwise" bit has already happened to everyone including the providers and a lot of clients completely lack understanding or empathy for this. Some clients are coming at providers with the other expectation that htey already know you're "one of the good ones" and the provider doesn't have any way to actually know that about you. And many here's attitude is basically "tough shit, i don't care, you still owe me good service regardless". By your own logic, sure don't pay the deposit or whatever, but don't be surprised when the provider then doesn't give you the assumption of being a good client because they have been burned by other clients who have no relation to you just the same as many clients have deposit/upfront pay horror stories. That again is the grander thing i'm getting at here. Clients are the ones going much farther in treating providers with a certain negativity based on the actions of a few than providers are here. Even so, the clients are here acting like you are owed this and that and that's weird because when providers voice their own grievances from the other perspective they're met with the catty-ness within this thread of how "oh wow you think you're so cute you get to ask for a deposit" over something that some providers do as a safety or vetting precaution, which is understandable, if one has empathy for the provider. It's just ugly attitude for no real reason that disproportionately comes from clients.

You're welcome! It's generally recommended here that when we come here with a name to request info on to search the name first. It'll pull up threads mentioning that name and you can reply to that thread and it'll bring the thread back up to the top of the forum. Or sometimes the moderators will merge the threads together.

There's a grander issue of bad clients who have given providers bad experiences. Leading them to do things like ask the client for photos or to ask for a deposit as some kind of guarantee the client is legit. And for clients who are good clients this is seen as some affront to their goal of being provided service by the provider. Which leads to many of you having these pithy catty comments about providers because of a lack of empathy for providers. As evidenced by others here saying they should suck it up and deal with because it's part of the job (which isn't true and isn't inherently how it has to be). And conversely there are providers who have conned or scammed clients, by running with deposit money or given bad performance after receiving deposit or upfront pay, which leads to clients being highly skeptical of upfront asks by the good providers. The bad eggs on both sides have ruined it for the good eggs on both sides, and there's no solution to it other than everyone just operating as they please individually. As has also been said here and elsewhere. But i do think it's interesting how the assumed good clients here are still so quick to have all these catty comments while providers are still expected to speak of clients as politely as possible even in criticism or explaining their own instances of being wronged by clients.

There are a couple threads on him here

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This is personally something i don't really care about as much as others here do. I've been asked for deposits before and it's never once been a problem, I'm aware I'm the outlier there compared to others here who have obviously been burned by providers asking for deposits. If the providers profile seems fairly legit and the deposit is low enough i've had no issue paying it. I've never had a provider i paid a deposit to not show up or give a lackluster performance after. There are plenty of other context clues to take into account that can let you know if paying the deposit is going to result in you getting scammed/no showed or not. Same stuff many here have suggested in other threads about how to gauge provider quality/legitness. That's just been my experience though.

Not saying you should do it. But on OF i have asked a guy if he was on RM before. I specifically just called it "RM" and assumed if he was using it he'd know the abbreviation. Then the guy responded and clarified and said "oh the esc0rt site?" (OF DMs block certain words like escort but it's easy to change a letter and get around it). He knew of it but he wasn't on it. It didn't cause any OF moderation issues for either of us. But that was like 2 years ago. I'd say X would probably be the next best place to try to contact him. That's probably the next most likely place he checks DMs most frequently to field collab inquiries from other content creators since many content creators do the bulk of their advertising on X since it's adult content friendly.

Azdr0710's got you covered with intro to hiring topics. Here's a recommendation. I'm not in New York but this New York guy has come to my city a bunch in the past and he's great. So he's my one go to recommendation/hire for NY guys. Just let him know what you're interested in doing and that you're new at this and he'll take good care of you. https://rent.men/BenjaminMilliano

I'm curious. What do you feel like you gain from being able to see if they've read your message or not and how do you act/respond after you see they've read it and how long after they've read the message do you then act that way? Anyone who's ever asked me to have my read receipts on whether for social reasons or business/transaction reasons has only ever wanted it on so they can freak out on me if i don't immediately drop everything I'm doing and respond to them within some arbitrary amount of time they've deemed reasonable, but i didn't agree to or confirm with them. Without any thought to what else i may have going on. It's always been a "i am owed your attention" and trying to police my time thing to them. I personally don't see many if any other logical reason anyone would want/need read receipts on other than that, largely because anything you need that urgent a response for you should just call them and if they don't answer that just confirms they are not available. But if one exists i'd be fascinated to hear it.

So @JockdudeP, you didn't want an answer to your question. You just wanted someone to agree with you about wanting Read Receipts on. Got it.

You pretty much got it, yeah. The "second wall" or "second hole" is actually the 90 degree right angle bend your rectum takes going to your sigmoid colon. What we perceive to be a tight second "hole" being entered is that 90 degree angle straightening out (due to the muscles around that area relaxing) as a long dick, arm, or other objects enter it. It's also why people refer to sex sometimes as "getting your guts re-arranged" lol. That is technically what is happening inside. Relaxing the "second hole" muscles requires a deeper relaxation because the muscles around that area are involuntary muscles, meaning you can't consciously control them like you can your anus/sphincter.

I find this annoying too, the ambiguity of that info field. I'm the opposite though, I'm cool with weed and/or a little bit of vaping but i can't handle guys who smoke cigs/cigars (no judgement, just probably not gonna kiss you lol). I actually don't even really like vaping either, but so many guys my age and younger do it I've had to learn to deal with it a little bit. I generally really hate vape/cigarette/cigar breath but i can handle vape breath if it's minimal. But also yeah the younger you go the more likely it is any kind of "yes" to smoking usually means vapes or weed instead of cigs/cigars. Millennials and Gen Z almost universally don't smoke cigs/cigars. The whole no smoking campaign and accompanying laws in the U.S. in the 90s and 2000's was pretty effective on us. But yeah "big tobacco" got Gen Z in particular on the vaping big time in it's place. Tinder actually specifically lists Cannabis use and cigarette smoking as two separate things you can say yes/no to and every other app or website along these lines all should copy that. They should even go the next step and have a vaping designation too. Though that's a bit easier to lump in with cigs/cigars because it's just a different vessel for nicotine.

"Seoul Dinero" on TikTok/Instagram.

Anyone who has Read Receipts off are people who like having peace and not having people who are socially needy pestering them about "omg why haven't you responded yet? I see you read my message!" Read Receipts is one of the worst things that's ever happened to texting/messaging lol.

Preferential treatment for regulars can come in many forms. I've definitely had ones who said on first hire they don't do certain things, later offer it when asked nicely during conversation about trying new things or offer it on their own after many visits and they were comfortable with me. Obviously, some providers may be playing a version of themselves to appeal to your fantasy/provide the type of service they advertise to you. I've seen providers kind of drop their persona/character when they're comfortable with you for when you're not actively in session. Some may see this as unprofessional or breaking the fantasy you hired them for, others may see it as nice social intimacy. So providers who do this around a client probably do so after they've gauged if the client would be into the more natural side of themself or not. Some providers may feel comfortable enough with you to talk shop with you casually. If i ever ask a provider how their day was, a newer one will usually give me a fairly generic answer but one who I've seen a bunch and who's comfortable with me won't be shy mentioning it was a slow or busy work day (referring to other clients) for example. This is another one some clients may be put off by and others are cool with. Some providers may grandfather regular clients into same prices while new clients get prices raised for them. If a provider is a traveling provider. If they are coming to your city, clients who are regulars usually get an early heads up the provider is coming to town so they can get first booking. The biggest thing is you shouldn't ask for or expect these kind of things from them. These are balls that are in their court to offer you if they feel inclined to do so.

Yeah I'd just put "will be on Atlantis Cruise X date to X date and will be available!" on your ad directly. Or i would also bet that people will be on Grindr/Sniffies on the cruise. You could try to see who you can get through there as well. You just have to be a bit careful with how you advertise on there because words referencing hiring (like "generous"/"gen"/"g3n") usually are blocked or will get your account suspended, but people come up with new code words to get around that all the time.

Man that sucks. Happens to the best of us. We go too big and then have to go home lol. Do you think you could handle that size now? Have you leveled up since then? I'm still not on that level. Unless he's suddenly become fluent in 4 months, i don't think he's telling the truth there.

Yeah sure haha. He's Houston, Texas based i believe, but travels all around. I saw him in L.A., but as of this comment he's in Seattle. https://rent.men/Eleizertop

Pretty sure i told this story on the guys review thread in this site i think, but i met up with a provider in 2025 who only spoke Spanish. I only speak English. This was not a problem, at first. I was curious about a dick as big as his as i had never went that big before (10 inch and very thick). We spoke via text where he was using a translator app on his phone. It was here i said i never had a dick as big as his and that he needed to go slow at first and he said ok. Then in person we also spoke via passing his phone back and forth using the translator app. Once we were getting physical and got naked, and phones left in our pants pockets, i realized too late i had no way to communicate with him without our phones actively in our hands. He started slow on insertion like i asked. After putting it in and waiting till he felt me relax, I handled the thickness better than either of us thought, so he thought he was good to start thrusting. I however, was not fully prepared for the length. So when he went too deep too soon, he hit the wall and i didn't anticipate how that'd feel (it hurt). He didn't realize he was hurting me and i didn't know how to tell him to slow down/stop. He was a much larger guy and was on top of me, so i wasn't fully in positional control to take it out/stop. Eventually i think the sounds i was making tipped him off and he stopped. We ended the session there. We cleaned up, he gave me a goodbye hug, spank, and a kiss, and i left. He didn't know he was hurting me at first and he wasn't doing so on purpose and he stopped when he did realize. So i don't hold it against him nor feel like anything happened to me against my will in a way he was aware of or anything of that nature. It just was pure language barrier/miscommunication and learning the hard way that i was not ready for that size yet lol. I was sore for a couple hours but was fine after i woke up the next day. Lesson learned, no hard feelings. If you're going to be inexperienced and hook up with a big dicked guy who doesn't speak your language, make sure you memorize a couple important phrases that make sense for that situation in his language. Keep the phone with translator app open next to you in the bed or just make sure you know you can handle that size so you don't need to say slow down/stop to begin with lol. I'd honestly see him again once i knew i could handle that size or if came prepared with a little Spanish memorized. He's hot as hell and it felt great, till he hit that wall lol.

I treat it the same as Yelp reviews for a restaurant or a car mechanic or whatever else. No one review is gospel, you have to take an average of many reviews together. Look for things multiple different review all or mostly separately say. If a business has 50 reviews, and 1 person says "service was terrible!", i would assume that customer probably is a Karen and was the troublemaker or that the waiter was probably just having an off day. If the business has 50 reviews and 25 of those reviews all say some semblance of "the food is good but the wait staff could use some improvement", that's a pattern and something that's likely a fairly consistent experience at that business.

I've seen him during a 4 hand massage with another provider who's my long time regular (they're friends). He adapted to my regulars massage style, so he did what I'm used to getting from my regular. So I can't speak to how he operates on his own, but he's very chill and friendly and fit into what my regular does well, so i would imagine he's good solo too (but again i can't confirm). I personally would try him solo too. He doesn't have a solo page on RentMasseur that i currently know of, but the provider who is my regular has a 4 hands page he runs with various friends of his (whoever is in the photos with him is who he's working with at that current moment) and there are more photos of Vinny on there (and obviously you could book both of them together through there if desired). Both this 4 hands page and the other provider KenJohn have threads here (with varying levels of positive/negative reviews from what i recall but I've personally had great times with him and most of his various provider partners, so your mileage may vary). https://rentmasseur.com/FourHandsOnly

Definitely share. What point is there being on here if not to share those exact types of good and bad experiences so others can make booking decisions accordingly?

Agree with @oclatin92xxx. It's almost certainly more often the latter (but probably both a lot of the times at least, i would hope). It's the other "work as a waiter till you book your first acting role/get discovered" starter job for a lot of hope to be entertainers. And it's honestly probably an equally decent way to run into some one who might discover you and network. A lot of industry people who work both in front of and behind the camera as well as above the line in studio exec offices hire.

This has been my experience as well. A few regular providers I've seen all know each other and they tell me about other providers they know in their circle and/or ask me about other providers I've seen for market research like what'd i do with them, what'd they charge, if i would want to see him (my regular) and such and such other provider i've seen on my own together as a group, etc. They've also sometimes told me about other clients. Nothing identifying or bad mouthy though just like oh i got this guy in NY who flies me out or oh this one client likes when i do XYZ to him and it's fun. One provider did tell me about two celebrity clients who's names i shall not repeat lol. So i know for sure they definitely talk about us to some extents, just not to the extent the initial OP posits, there's probably no Company of Providers site where they're doing 411 posts on us (but if there was and i was a provider, i'd never tell 🫢)