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By niche, i mean vocal minority of the overall customer base that have much more stringent and specific wants and needs that the larger customer base sometimes doesn't. Our idea of good and bad behavior isn't objective or universal and the fact some here think it is proves my point and the reason why Aamir told their escort friend to take what's here with a mound of salt. This forum is very much like a sub-Reddit of a tech product where fans of said product/company gather to talk about the product. By the nature of that environment, you get the people who are the most nerdy and hardcore about that thing. You get the people who are the most forgiving and the people who are the most critical of said thing and almost no one in between. That's highly skewed. The people in between are the biggest group and make up the vast majority of sales, and what they like and prefer isn't always in line with the likes and preferences of the enthusiasts on the forum. That's why product designers at those companies generally don't frequent those forums nor gear the product toward them. Providers who don't stay here aren't inherently not good, they're just being realistic and strategic about which customer group to focus on. It's nice if they take what's said here into account, but they definitely shouldn't exclusively focus on us. We are not the group they can best sustain their business on. There's also plenty of users here who don't consider the provider perspective or can be combative with providers as seen on many threads in the Deli section where a user goes off for having a bad experience then the provider comes here to set the story straight with info the client left out or lied about. It can be very negative/toxic. I think it's more than understandable to not want to deal with that from a couple hundred regularly active users here when they could just focus on the thousands they're interacting with on rentmen/rentmasseur they already do good business with instead. So i don't think it's a negative reflection on any provider that comes here and then decides staying isn't worth it for them.

No, it's because we're a niche group of the overall client base and we can be somewhat insufferable with opinions/preferences that don't match their broader customer base that doesn't frequent this forum and they decide the annoyance isn't worth it 😆

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Do you specifically want a "himbo" (male equivalent of a "bimbo") in the full sense of the word? As in a hot muscular guy who is sweet/affable, but is dim-witted/not very smart? Or do you just want any muscular/body builder guy that does a boyfriend experience? I feel like these are fairly different desires lol.

Good lord. There isn't a hard clear defined line, that's why i said there is overlap. That's why basically everyone here is saying it's fuzzy and to just ask the individual you're hiring what they do and don't do. It's really really truly that simple dude.

You are very wrong.

I've noticed this too. Was thinking it might be a rentmen.eu versus rent.men (i only use the latter with VPN) thing maybe? Rentmen.eu with a non-U.S. IP address may be where rates can be seen. I've noticed other small quirk differences between the two before. I haven't tried it to confirm though.

Masseurs and escorts have a lot of overlap. Though in my experiences, masseurs are more likely to dabble in escort services than escorts are in masseur services (actual, skilled, massage). It's best to just ask the individual provider what they're ok with.

I agree, but this is the interesting part of all this, to me personally. The cognitive dissonance needed by any of us to feel this way about the kissing aspect, but not about everything else we all hire providers to do. Knowing it's not something they'd want to do with most clients if they weren't being hired to do so. If that were really true, this hobby wouldn't exist. Clients are paying to circumvent the normal requirements for their consent to engage in what we engage in. That's why i think it's funny some here are so baffled by the lines in the sand some providers have.

It's almost as if it's based on mutual attraction (or lack thereof) and individual choice.

Bump. After being inactive for a couple months, Arab_Fire seems to be active again in the last week or so. Anyone seen him since returning?

It's because everyone has different lines of comfortability. It's not always about what is more or less manly/gay. Some people very much do see certain acts as more intensely sexual or romantically intimate than others. It is not insanity to feel that way, it's just different to how you feel (which is insanity to feel your way to feel is the only way to feel). It's the other side of the spectrum of the clients like many here who can't feel any connection unless kissing is involved. And that's specifically because it's generally a more intimate/romantic associated action. The flip side of that for some providers means kissing is too close/crossing a boundary for a "work" interaction. It's really that simple. The order of what actions/areas of your body are less or more intimate to interact with are not objective. They are different for everyone. There's plenty of people who don't see kissing as that intimate, many will be at a club and make out on first flirtation just for fun, or someone may cheat on a partner and go "it was just a kiss". It's just not the same for everyone. So just because a provider may be ok letting any client interact with their genitals doesn't mean they should automatically be comfortable with kissing. Yes, even for people in this line of work. I think you are greatly underestimating the emotional/psychological investment that Wings246 mentioned, that is required to do the job. I'd also add. That by your own logic here, you should also be asking, why aren't providers who top also ok with bottoming or vice versa. And that's clearly silly because they don't have to provide something they aren't comfortable or ok with providing. Just because kissing isn't genital based or penetrative doesn't make it different to that.

Some are and some aren't. I've seen some OF guys charge the same as RM-only guys for escorting, and I've seen some charge 2-4 times as much as RM-only guys. Just depends on the individual and how famous and expensive they perceive themselves to be and if they think the value they have on one side increases their value on the other side or not.

https://rent.men/DominicanoDotado

Both the original poster @mmark or the mods could simply edit the post title to include the providers name too. That seems more productive to me 🤷‍♂️

Anyone with recent experience? I noticed this guy is fairly big on Twitter/OF.

An AI slop site/app.

If they made an exception for you, that's great. But still generally best to let them offer that to you or not ask till you've built some kind of rapport with them and they can make the choice to offer an off menu service to you. Will reduce your odds of being blocked by the guys who are bothered being asked about stuff they don't advertise.

Guys with big dicks bottom all the time, it's not abnormal. But he probably thinks you're an idiot for asking that when his profile position clearly says "Top" and not "verse/top" or "verse". Hashtag says top, and profile text says "dominant top" 😆. Bottoming is very clearly not what he's offering in the context of RM.

I got a fast-ish response from him when i opened with asking about his availability. I said are you free tonight, how's 11pm? Then he replied with saying he was free and asked what i'm into + listed his rates (interestingly gave numbers for 30 min, 1 hour, 90 min, and 2 hours). He might prioritize clients who to him seem more ready to book immediately.

Once i got into hiring, i pretty much stopped using OF almost entirely. There's like a single digit amount of guys who i still buy content from occasionally but i mostly buy from them directly over Telegram or social media DMs. Mainly guys who i find incredibly hot, but aren't the type/have the "expected" look/are too internet famous for fully getting into escorting. So i still feel like I'm getting something worth the money in that way. I've found some of those guys are down to be hired, but guys who don't actually escort but may be down to do something for the "right price", that price is very much not in line with escort pricing. So i haven't really been able to make it happen with those guys yet because the kind of numbers they say aren't within what I'm capable of doing yet. So i just stick with the escorts mostly.

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A little bit. What i really am seeing personally is a large increase in monetized sex life guys on hookup apps seeking "generous" encounters/arrangements (basically escorts just without the professionalism or desire to more broadly advertise) and OF/Twitter adult content creators. And i definitely think it's economy influenced. I think a lot of those generous seeking guys would be on RM but just want to be somewhat DL about what they're doing by just keeping it to a hyper local pool of people rather than be out there advertising on a large scale via RM. Or they just don't know about RM and sites like it yet. I've similarly noticed an increase in social media guys who had no interest in selling explicit content, and would even get mad if you asked them about it, now launching OFs/Twitters/UV.Clubs. Guys who are gay/bi and straight alike. More adult content creators who don't do the same numbers as A list OF/Twitter/porn guys do are dabbling in escorting as well to help ends meet. Definitely all very much related in my opinion.

You can hire just the one till suddenly you want another one. And that other one can be in place of or in addition to this one. It doesn't actually have to be a "commitment". Just do what ever you want and can afford to do in the moment. Keep it simple, it doesn't have to be "a thing".

I never said skincare will freeze/atrophy your muscles in place like botox does. But it will make your skin appear smoother/more youthful to the eye of another person than it would without, which is a similar effect botox achieves by physically stopping the scrunching of your skin by making it so the underlying muscles aren't moving as much. Botox only does that by making it so the skin isn't wrinkling/folding constantly from movement, skincare does it by actually resurfacing on the surface and improving skin health in the sub layers of the skin. It's doing more than what botox does. Which is why i think if you're doing skincare properly and consistently you don't actually need the botox. The part skincare doesn't do that botox does, is potentially make your face so stiff you can't emote properly 😆