DMonDude

It's him. If you go to the bottom of his RM ad, he links his Twitter/X. And he tweeted about an hour or two ago "Yes that is me on Rent Men West Hollywood" Get your manz, have a nice time and let us know how it goes!

One can accomplish the same thing by simply having a good skin care routine started early and maintained consistently over time. Most facial signs of aging like the visual prominence of wrinkles, lines, and rough skin texture are caused and greatly exacerbated by sun exposure/damage over time. Simply having a good sunscreen+moisturizer you apply to the face consistently over the long term achieves a highly similar result while actually having other non-superficial health benefits for your skin too (which botox has none, it's only a superficial treatment). A skin care routine of say a combination sunscreen/moisturizer, with cleanser, a retinol of some sort (retinol simply increases the natural process of turn over of dead skin cells replaced by new ones) provides visual improvements to skin, helps protect you from sun burn/sun damage, increases skin cancer prevention, increases skin barrier strength/hydration (which the lack of both is a big part of what makes wrinkles and fine lines much more prominent and skin texture worse), can treat for various skin conditions like hyper pigmentation or adult acne, etc. Botox is the "i can't be bothered to maintain a daily personal appearance upkeep routine", "break glass in case of emergency/insecurity", "i have a ton of money" version of that 🤣. That + knowing how so many end up with bad "plastic surgery face" in their later years when people inevitably do too much or keep doing it when it no longer achieves the intended look i think is why it's generally not really viewed that favorably.

No one said it isn't a job, what point are you trying to make? I think you are conflating "suspending disbelief" and saying "wow this is great it feels real!" (which is not the same thing as believing it's real) for a good performance with actually falling in love with an escort (which indeed is bad). These are not the same thing.

Similarly, i know an escort who was happy his first reviews were bad reviews because he was trying to do this on the down low, but had face pics up, so he thought bad reviews would give him plausible deniability if someone he knew found the profile. He could say the bad reviews would indicate it's someone else using his pics if it ever came down to denying it. Despite the bad reviews, he still gets tons of messages and clients despite his RM rating being abysmal 😆. Perks of being hot, but also goes to show those of us clients who are seeking the best and choosing carefully are not the majority.

Yeah this shouldn't be an issue for most escorts. Just say hey i'm interested in side/oral play, and i'd maybe say to also confirm they are ok with giving as much as receiving. I remember i once hit a string of escorts who all listed oral and rimming as their intos but were actually only ok with receiving (RM really should make giving and receiving for some of those activities be separate tags). So you should specifically make sure they're ok reciprocating the side activities.

Plenty of guys in L.A. have worked regularly but don't have reviews on their ad. Leaving reviews on RM is not something as many clients are doing as you'd think. One guy i hire regularly in LA has a 2ish year old profile, has new and repeat clients, but has no reviews on his ad. A profile not having any reviews doesn't really mean much. It's not dissimilar to Amazon reviews, there are products on Amazon that are shown to have been purchased thousands or 10s of thousands of times, but the product only has a couple dozen reviews. Reviewers are always a drop in the bucket of overall buyers. A seller moving less volume of product may still be doing fine, may or may not have good product, but may not have the numbers to even have that fraction that are the review writing type.

It's really not this serious, all i said is that those who are doing a performance are still doing good work and the clients who enjoy it aren't misguided. I literally never said others who are having fun or are turned on in their sessions aren't or that no provider ever is genuinely turned on. Nothing i said is a slight to you or the providers you mentioned. You are greatly misreading everything i have said and inserting a ton of intent that isn't there. I was simply defending the art of the "illusion" that another commenter here said is misguided.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Sure, but that doesn't change what i said. For some that isn't the case, and that's ok. It doesn't have to be real to be good. That's part of being good at the job. This isn't a knock or something they need to be defended against.

That's likely not the norm though across the board. If you enjoy the job and can have fun doing it that's great, but plenty whether established or not are indeed performing and creating an illusion/show for the client. That's just how it is for some. And there's nothing wrong with that and you shouldn't be bothered by it.

Bump, he's returned to L.A. again.

I've had great 4 and 6 hands experiences personally. But to most everyone's point here, it was good because the guys were consistently working together and effectively had a routine/choreography as well as silent communication during the session. So the massage was synchronized and utilized each pair of hands on different body regions in a thought out manner. This translated to the extras as well, where someone was responsible for all key "extras related" regions of the body. If it was just random providers who don't know each other and haven't worked together before i wouldn't expect the massage to be very good. Probably not much impact on extras though and probably would go more in an escort session direction. Which i've also done and is fine too since i knew that's what it was going to be going in.

Saying a known illusion feels real isn't misguided, they're just saying the performance is good and believable.

Doesn't hurt to try to text the number in the away message/auto reply. In my experience, guys do tend to have their profile expire and then reactivate fairly frequently. But if it's been multiple months, he's not likely to still be checking RM and likely hasn't seen your messages there. You can confirm this by looking at the symbols next to your message to him, if it has two check marks next to it (screenshot attached) that means he's read the message. Otherwise he hasn't seen it. For identity protection, like others have said, there's many apps to generate a separate phone number. Burner and Google Voice being popular options. I think he might have just been trying to get cash out of you (or he possibly just didn't know better). There's an escort i help with Rent.Men subscription funding as well, but he gave me his RM account login so i can go on and pay it for him, and they definitely can read (and i think also reply?) their RM messages without an active subscription. The inbox itself doesn't seem to be behind the paywall. But maybe this also depends on Rent.Men vs Rentmen.eu? The subscription gets you boosted in the search recommendations or on the front page and able to post videos and what not.

Any one have experience with this guy? https://rent.men/Machitooxl

They all know the option exists. But yeah lots of guys just aren't mentally built for it. Or are against sex work for various reasons, or are simply in a position where they don't "need" to. I've seen plenty of guys who could make tons of money doing OnlyFans/porn be offended and mad just at being asked because they feel they're above it and feel people who do it are disrespecting themselves and such. Even more so for escort work. It's just not for everybody for a myriad of reasons. Which is unfortunate, cause there's definitely lots of hot guys i see on social media or just on the street that i would hire too but generally aren't the type to be in the biz.

Yeah just ask, it's not any different to if you ask a cis-gender male provider if they're ok with an activity you're into. They'll simply either say yes or no.

And yet, plenty of people do it anyway.

Because percentage of income is more fair than a flat rate for all. Everyone is paying an equal amount they can afford to pay for services everyone uses and benefits from. The person making 2 million a year is also able to make that much because they are generally benefiting from tax breaks for the wealthy or rule bending that benefits them disproportionately. So it's not crazy that they should contribute back to help keep society going. The fact they don't is why things are how they are now. The wealthy used to do this voluntarily by building parks or Observatories or other things that made things better for themselves and everyone, they don't do that anymore and instead hoard their wealth. The wealthy are also increasingly funding their own privatized versions of services. Leaving the poor to not have access to the private services while also having the public services decrease in scale and quality as they get less funding. So even more so, it benefits everyone if the wealthy paid proportional to what they're taking out of circulation via their wealth hoarding. Having tax rates be flat for everyone just guarantees only a few could afford to pay the tax if it was high, or that everyone paying a low flat tax rate wouldn't be enough to fund services we're all used to. And because of all the tax cheating and wealth hoarding, and cutting of services, we're basically already getting the worst of both of those scenarios.

I'd say definitely worth bringing up specifically. Maybe just anecdotal, but in my experience. PNP does not refer to Poppers, PNP is usually referring to harder/illegal drugs. Poppers is more on the level of weed. Plenty of people do "soft" drugs and wouldn't label themself as someone who PNPs as that's on the other side of a hard line to many. I'd say for OP definitely worth asking too because even if they are ok with poppers, not everyone is ok using just any brand. Some people have harsher reactions/side effects from specific brands (based on the active ingredient they use) than others.

Worth considering, but not doing this long term is precisely the goal for more and more of the younger guys. Same with OnlyFans and other things like that that can result in a ton of quick cash. Get in, make what you can, and get out, is the point sometimes.

To be fair, many of them are taking loans out against their assets and using that money and it is not taxed. Then they take out another loan to pay the prior loan. People like Elon Musk take no/low income from their companies and do this loan method instead. It's so common it has a nick name. "Buy Borrow Die". You'd be right if they weren't exploiting every possible tax loophole and implementing every cheat they possibly could. We unfortunately live in a society where just because a rule is on the books doesn't mean it's being followed or enforced. And similarly, those on the bottom are being squeezed in other ways that aren't sustainable either.

I can't speak to ElieVersatile, but TBrady/JockFeet is real as far as i know. He's a member here (not sure how active though) and there are threads on this forum about him with some experiences from other forum members. Both of those profiles are his, i think he explained in the thread one was geared toward foot fetish and the other was a general profile or something like that.

That swimsuit by the pool pic comes from an aspiring model/influencer's Instagram page from about a year ago. It'll come up in reverse image search. Can't say if this RM profile is actually him or if it's someone using that guys pics. The instagram page only has sub-2000 followers. So not someone well known from the looks of it. The other spicier pics on the RM ad seem to be the same guy and those are not on the Instagram profile. So that implies it's either really him, or he got those pics from some other source if it is a catfish. the instagram profile does not link to an OnlyFans or any other profiles, which is where i'd think a catfish would get those other pics from. So maybe probably legit?

We all know where the legal line is, no one's saying you're committing a crime, but i think Kensington is more so getting at the societal line. Or the relative maturity gap. Many people my age (30s) joke about how "i still feel like I'm 20, till i hang out with 20 year olds, then i feel like I'm 40". Along the same line is how many people above a certain age will see or hear about something younger people do or engage in and go "kids these days", even though they're referring to fully grown adults in their 20s or even 30s. Because relative to their older age, the younger person may as well be a kid to them because they are so far removed from them in experiences and maturity, they simply can't relate. But when it comes to physical/sexual interaction, the goal post is conveniently moved and now they're young men who are conveniently so mature and intelligent for their age. So it's interesting to say the least when people pick and choose to infantilize others and when to see them as adults. This is what Kensington is getting at and what is triggering him. He's not seeing how someone that young compared to you doesn't, just by the sheer distance of the age gap, effectively seem like a boy to you. Regardless of their in progress college degree or what ever it may be. What subject they're studying doesn't define their maturity. Their decision making, impulsivity, and other things like that do, and being still so close to their teenage years, there's generally not substantial progress made there yet in most people in their early 20s. What you're doing is obviously legally fine, not really siding with either of you, but what Kensington is saying is very much going over your head or you're ignoring because you're stuck on him perceiving you as creepy.