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Maybe, but i don't think it'd go as far as suggested. I could see it maybe screening initial inquiries if a provider so chooses. But if i was a provider, i personally would still want to have viable client candidates given to me by the AI and give the final ok on which one i take and when for myself. I just would want it to weed out time wasters or incompatible clients. I wouldn't want it accepting meets and booking my calendar for me. As someone who's tried implementing AI into my job and found a lot of it's limitations and where it falls short of the over hype/marketing. There's things it's just not ready for yet and it still needs lots of hand-holding and double checking it's work. AI/LLMs (Large Language Models) despite all the marketing, are not sentient, aren't aware of what they say to you, will spit out incorrect information confidently, and AI agents have done things like accidentally delete a users hard drive and other dumb stuff. When it comes to reply delays. I kind of see it like when people text you and don't get a response, so then they call you thinking that will make you pick up and it's like, if I'm not available to reply to a text I'm also not available to answer a call haha. But like in the scenario a provider is busy working and can't give the final ok to a meet the AI setup and passed along. There's still going to be a delay till the provider gets back to their computer/phone or whatever to give the final ok. Both clients and providers really need to just accept that people aren't staring at their inbox or obligated to be reachable 24/7 and get over it, in my opinion 😆. Another big issue AI use in this raises is discretion/privacy. Unless the provider is using their own self hosted implementation of an open source AI. Things like ChatGPT are logging everything you input to it and sending it home to OpenAI for further training model use (some AI platforms claim to let you opt out of this, but do they really with how this space currently has zero regulation, no one actually knows). Things you put into ChatGPT are held in record and can be used against you in court for example. And in places where what we all engage in here isn't exactly legal, it'd be very not smart to use AIs in this way unless you setup a private one. Which the average person wouldn't know how to do and would just default to ChatGPT. We already can't even get everyone who does this to use encrypted messaging apps like Signal as is 🤣

Yeah i think that rule will have a huge impact. There's more details to that 5 years of social media history thing too. It's not just social media history. They're also proposing requiring "the gathering of an applicant's telephone numbers and email addresses used over the last five and 10 years respectively" and similar information about their immediate family members... It's in a 60 day public comment period, but if it's enacted as originally proposed it will have a devastating impact on tourism (and thus providers who may want to come to the US from elsewhere). https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dz0g2ykpeo

Yes, they do. Do some stings and arrests happen? Sure, but it still is not a top priority for police the way murders and assaults or robberies are. Finding one random recent case of a sting operation doesn't change anything said above. Every now and then some local precinct will have a quota to hit and they'll do something like that and they do what they gotta do. And then they go right back to mostly ignoring it.

It's the rise of hot guys with big social media followings and OnlyFans over the last 10ish years, yeah. Sex work is the next logical step and/or next logical side hustle for many of them.

I used to have a provider i hired regularly who had a 9-5. I also work during the day. We'd always meet sometime between 9pm and midnight on weekdays, or any time on a weekend. Was never a problem.

If it were me, i'd personally go to a big city like New York City, New York. Los Angeles, California. San Francisco, California. Austin, Texas and such. Big cities usually have plenty of people who don't celebrate/travel back to their home towns for the holidays. So should be plenty of people who would hire. Big cities never sleep. But also you probably could still do well in a small city too. Lot of people who may fly to their home towns for the holidays also may be the people who want to sneak away and hire for a bit to get away from dealing with family drama/stress that naturally comes with the holiday season for many. And if you just are thinking of stuff to do on your own. Big cities i feel have better holiday festivities. Like Orlando, Florida and Los Angeles, California both have a Universal Studios theme park and both have a Disney World/Disney Land (respectively) theme park that are Christmas/holiday themed at this time of year if you're into that kind of thing.

It's definitely a more mainstream thing now. It has a lot to do with Gen Z guys being much more likely to have porn addictions these days. Gen Z guys make jokes about (because they do it in their private time for real) what they now call "gooning", which is just their new slang term for edging (though there technically is supposed to be a difference where gooning is endless teasing with no intent to orgasm and edging is prolonged play that ultimately still ends in orgasm, but young guys largely use the terms interchangeably). So the rise in popularity of edging is due to that, plus like OP said, it's easy fairly low effort OF content anyone can do and is content guys who otherwise maybe wouldn't do OF with their face shown can get into and have it be a thing they do on the side for fun or for pay (either as the guy doing the edging or the guy getting edged, the latter of which is also very easy entry for gay4pay straight guys). All of this has always been the case, the porn studios have always had edging content. It's just that much more mainstream and democratized now because of OF, Twitter, and Instagram/TikTok memes referencing it.

Other than RentMen and RentMasseur, the main place i see people advertise is Grindr, Sniffies, and even Tinder.

It depends. Not everyone would mention that kind of thing in their review the way you would unfortunately, because not everyone would consider that a dealbreaker or worth a star deduction, just something worth knowing. The one who told me about the messy apartment of a provider they otherwise had a great time with only told me in DM and not in their public review. That's why i reach out for the actual story. Some questions are things a provider may not be forthcoming with too. Like if you ask a provider "hey is your room clean", they're not going to answer "it's a fuckin' mess bro" ya know? That's why it's good to get multiple anecdotes and kind of average it together to help make your decision about hiring.

I think you're being a little needlessly difficult/not helpful with your response to people reaching out to you, with all due respect. I've reached out to people who have left positive and negative reviews. You don't necessarily have to give the blow by blow of every act you did with the provider, but sometimes people just want confirmation of how it went and what it was actually like to interact with the provider because "the pics were real and i had a good time" doesn't really tell you much about the actual experience. When i reach out to people i want to know how easy was it to set up the meet, was the place they hosted in nice or in a good area with parking (i once was told by a fellow client a very well reviewed provider was great in bed but his apartment was a pig stye, which was not listed in the 5 star review). There are all these intangibles to the experience (even if it's a good one) that no one is actually putting into their reviews and that's what they're actually asking you for. Seems like a silly thing to be annoyed by, especially when you said you still do the same thing but only to people who left negative reviews.

Agreed. I've used both. @Reggyreg56 The issues others have pointed out can be true for RM reviews, but there are other scenarios where you do need the RM reviews. For one, not every user on RM is on this forum and not every provider on RM has been reviewed on this forum. There inherently are gaps in review coverage just by the sheer disparity in the amount of overall clients using RM versus how many clients are also members of this forum. RM reviews can be perfectly usable by looking at the details others in the thread have mentioned like checking how old other reviewers/clients profiles are, if they made their profile around the same time as when the provider did, if the reviewers all left reviews in the same week a provider for example or if their only review is the provider you are considering and they don't have a record of reviewing other providers over a period of time. I've also messaged fellow clients on RM the same way I'd post a 411 thread or DM a user here to ask about a provider and that's worked out well for me. You can usually tell by how/if they reply if they're fake or not. Exclusively using the reviews here and ignoring all RM reviews drastically shrinks your own provider choices on RM because plenty of good providers have not been reviewed here yet, so sometimes you just need to take the chance yourself. Especially if you like a type of guy/provider that isn't the usual type most on this forum go for or it's a provider who simply isn't paying the Premium/Gold/Platinum subscription and thus just doesn't have as many eyes on their profile. Then you're even more less likely to find reviews for those guys here. About half of my past hires have been guys with no reviews on this forum and all but one of those were a good experience because i used due diligence with what was available on RM. You can make it work for you, it just takes more work and precaution. I've noticed a lot of the RM reviews are often being left by people where English isn't their first language, especially for providers who are multi-lingual. And it contributes to some of their reviews sounding fishy or weird. It's not that they're AI or fake, it's that they're trying to be complimentary in a second or third language while also not being overly descriptive of the encounter because both RM sites try to implore reviewers not to be too explicit in reviews (which some people ignore) because they're still trying to keep some guise of this not being what it is. I say all this to say, yes don't take every RM review at face value, but they can still be useful if you know how to parse them correctly. The "don't trust RM reviews ever because it's all bots/AI" is a tad bit of an over simplification. This forum has no better defenses against AI/bots or providers setting up fake accounts than RM does, if we're being realistic (it's even less considering we don't have to pay to make accounts here like you do on RM to be able to leave a review), so it's just good to be cautious and more discerning all around.

1,000%. It's a mindset, not an age range. Soooo true. I've noticed this on hookup/dating apps, and even here. Just a lot of "no this, not that, don't look like that, don't act like this!" rather than "i like this this and that". The latter is both usually a shorter list and actually communicates to the target demographic you're trying to reach, where as the "no this, no that" list just makes someone come off like an unpleasant person to be around. @Mark_fl's comment, hopefully inadvertently, really makes him come off like a prude who has a lot of judgements about people who are sexually free (Which likely isn't the case, but that's how it reads), versus someone who simply appreciates subdued/subtle sexual aura. Go for it man. Literally no one said you can't or aren't allowed to spend your money how you like. But that doesn't change that i think it's a "Boomer" (this is a mindset more so than an age range) thing to be put off by and you have the right to do that, but i retain my right to poke fun at you for it 🤷‍♂️.

The people this thread is resonating with are basically doing the equivalent of saying they have a specific type of hair and are looking for stylists who can work with that hair type, and your response is basically "stop complaining and shave your head". You sound like an absolute buffoon.

I first started hiring just over a year ago. It was something i had been thinking about for a while but never went through with. During the first week of November 2024 I was over stressed, over worked, under sexed, and wanted to treat myself to something nice. I dove into the deep end and hired 3 guys for a 6 hand massage for my very first hire. I didn't know about this forum or know anyone to ask how this worked at the time, so i was truly going in fully blind. I was terrified walking up to the AirBnB thinking "I'm either going to have the best time ever or this is fake and I'm about to get arrested/kidnapped/killed", luckily it was the former! I went a little crazy with it and saw those 3 guys 2 more times that same week before they left town 😆.

I've been on hiring break for a couple weeks. But prior to that i hadn't noticed any issues. The providers who are good had still been good and the ones who weren't good either stayed not good or eventually got better once they figured out how this works. I hadn't noticed or experienced any broader shift in how providers treat us personally. The customer is definitely not always right though lol.

"I never do X or Y with anyone but you/a select few" is 1,000% what he's telling his other clients too. It's part of the job/performance. I figured this out myself with a past provider who also was really good at making me feel good (I've also had a provider do extras at no extra cost, he just does flat rate to undercut the competition and it wasn't a special offer/exception for me specifically). This isn't a bad thing though, it's ok to let it make you feel good, that's ultimately what you're paying for! Just don't let yourself get carried away with it and think it's real outside of the business arrangement. In my opinion. You kind of have to treat it like actors acting in a movie. A method actor who is filming a scene, between "Action" and "Cut", what they/their character is feeling is "real". But once the filming is done, they are back in the real world and are no longer the character or feeling what the character is feeling. That's kind of how I've learned to see it personally. They definitely can, but i think it's pretty much always in the same way that you might develop a good rapport with your favorite barista at Starbucks, and almost never in terms of them wanting to be friends/date you outside of work. The barista might be extra courteous to you or give you an extra pump of syrup in your drink as a show of appreciation for being a cool customer, but it's not going to extend beyond that context.

Hmmm, maybe it's a location/city thing? Depending on what your definition of All American is, i feel like there's plenty of those guys providing.

Yeah there are plenty, you just have to go beyond RMs front page which is just all the biggest dick having-est body builder gods who pay to get boosted on the front page. If you use the search and set the dick size setting, or whatever else. You can find exactly what you're looking for long as guys like that are in your area (this is a factor you can't really do much about though).

You won't have a problem with the majority of providers as others have said above, but i definitely understand the concern. It's one i had when i first started this too. If you have an attribute that's not what they are most used to working with it'll help to let them know ahead of time so they can make accommodations if needed. The providers also will not find it weird if you don't want to get fully naked, you don't have to. But that again is something you may want to tell them ahead of time. Especially if the provider you're hiring is going to be performing a massage. That's generally not something done with a shirt on. At the same time, CMNM (clothed male, nude male) is a kink/fetish people have where you engage in the usual "activities" but one person stays clothed. This is something many providers (particularly ones who mention being kink friendly on their profiles) will likely already be familiar with so it shouldn't be an issue. As others have said, providers are used to a wide range of body types and age ranges. The best thing you can do is just be hygienic for them. A thorough brushing of the teeth + mouth wash and thorough bath/shower before the meet goes a LONG way. A provider will prefer a client who's obese and clean over a fit guy who hasn't showered in 3 days every single time.

For some people I'm sure it is part of the fantasy. They want the attention from the provider and to get flirted with and be called pet names and stuff. Stuff some of us aren't getting in real life from guys. I'm mostly with you though, the heart emojis and "babe"/"sexy"/etc doesn't really do anything for me cause it's the thinnest part of the veil of what they're doing if that makes sense. Especially if they start calling you that kind of stuff before they've even actually seen you, it kind of immediately pops the bubble in my suspension of disbelief. Though i do think it can be "earned" though as you get more familiar with a provider over time/sessions. It doesn't truly bother me except for "daddy" though, i actively dislike being called daddy cause I'm one of the few people who has never taken to the sexual connotations of "daddy". Daddy to me just means, my father, and that's not what i want coming to mind when texting/talking to/being physical with a provider (or any guy). I also don't like it because, as a millennial, i just don't feel old enough to have earned the moniker even if i was into it haha.

Definitely true, that's kind of the male privilege we have in society. A scenario like that doesn't usually clock as dangerous to us at all. But things like that are entirely different for women and they have to have a much greater sense of "danger can be around any corner" than we ever do. They have to go through life treating every gun (man) like it's loaded (dangerous) so to speak. Going off of this. I've noticed it's pretty common these days for younger guys who do Grindr/Sniffies hookups to send a close friend the profile photo, phone number, and address of the guy's house they're going to and a directive of "if i don't text you by the morning call the police". That kind of thing was already becoming more normal as a number of really unfortunate attacks/robberies of gay/bi men via Grindr/hookup apps got news attention, and then especially after that Jeffrey Dahmer Netflix series came out and freaked people out. So i think the younger providers asking clients for photos, while probably they want to get a sense of how "manageable" you are in the attractiveness sense as some suggested, it's also probably part of a "if i don't text you by tomorrow call the police" kit they're sending to a friend. It's not a preemptive "he looks unsafe" judgement like others up thread said, it's more likely a "in case the worst happens here's some evidence to hopefully find me and who did it" measure.

Me personally, both replies from provider 2 and 3 would be totally acceptable to me and all else being equal I'd just book both on different nights. This kind of thing isn't a big deal to me at all. Providers aren't "on the clock" with me till we're in a room together. So how they communicate with me in messages prior to the meet isn't something i judge them on as part of the service. I kind of see it like calling a restaurant to book a table. If they can make the booking quickly and answer a question i have efficiently then that's all that's truly needed for me cause i know they're busy and juggling other people who also are trying to book them. If they want to be extra polite or make jokes that's cool, i'll joke back or whatever, but I'm not really handing out bonus points for doing it, nor knocking them for not doing it. I'll judge the chef's cooking and how the wait staff treat me when I'm actually there at the restaurant. The only time a providers initial communications put me off was when one guy was (i learned after the fact) likely so high as a kite that he couldn't even carry a conversation. He couldn't respond to requests/questions i had, tell me his rate, or where he was hosting. He only responded in emojis, jokes and GIFs. He actively made the booking process difficult/impossible, and that's what i don't like.

Similar to most here, no face pics on the profile is fine long as i get them in a DM/text or a video call. But i absolutely would not meet a provider who wants it to be a totally anonymous meetup where you don't see their face till you get there. I don't think that's common anyway though.

I never said they were there. I'm saying the scenario is not far fetched because other people NOT related to SavantSav have experienced exactly what they described. The fact that you're so bone headedly stubborn to keep doubling and tripling down on your dumb point, that you didn't understand that the other people were confirming the scenario happened to them separately and independently to what SavantSav described kinda proves my point that you're trying way too hard to assert your own experiences as the norm that everyone else here experiences or didn't actually experience. Which, again, has you looking really ridiculous here. Especially when in your own very next paragraph you talk about all your own regulars who also have told you of similar experiences. So what is it about SavantSav, that suddenly you know for such fact the review they're referring to is BS? Do you see the silliness in your argument here?

Funny how you didn't address SavantSav pointing out that other people here corroborated the experience you called BS on (cause you're wrong). You're trying way too hard to assert your experiences as the norm that everyone else here experiences too, while also being sassy about it, and it's making you look silly. And also like SavantSav said, not everyone who PNPs lists that on their RM profiles. Your suggestion there is a good one but it's not a guarantee or something anyone can have true control over because people sometimes lie or omit that information.