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I've had a number of clients tell me they would like a "BFE" and I always ask them to define what they mean.   I've heard a lot of different descriptions.   I largely view it as being open and flexible,  including things like kissing and cuddling  (but not always).  Also there can be some "implied"  things there,   like  tenderness,  good communication and even  (gasp)  acting like a gentleman.    A good provider will take the time to find out what a client expects before agreeing to provide the service.

Well you sound like a very kind and generous man.    It sounds like you went into with your eyes open.     I certainly am not going to be the least bit critical,  but to say I hope the provider  knows what a favor you had done him and  takes steps to  recognize it by showing his appreciation by repaying some of what you loaned him.    

You are a good man,  but please take care and don't put yourself at risk.

It does happen once in a while,  but generally for a reason.

I think it all depends on how well you get to know him.   In the beginning,   I wouldn't feel any need to bring it up.     If you get to know him and develop a friendship and a certain amount of trust  (and talk about a variety of personal things),    I'd probably mention that you saw his photos.   As a provider,   I don't have a problem talking with friends who ask about my escorting.    I think it all depends on you and the kind of friendship you may have with this individual.

On 4/4/2024 at 4:10 PM, BeefyDude said:

Hey guys

I have a rate question - no its not about tipping etc

There is someone I want to see whose rate is $200 which is tad high for me, but reviews look good.

He is staying at a hotel with paid parking only and will be on a bed.

Maybe it' me but considering no table and i have to pay for parking - do you think that rate is too high?  Should I ask him for any wiggle room?

Thanks

My rate is slightly higher than that.   At $200.00,  you are doing well,  especially if the reviews are supportive.    I'd pay the parking and not say anything.   If the time is well spent,  it will be worth it.

Ready for spring annuals.   It has been a busy spring with non escort clients and tax season for sure.    Ready to get out and with it with both annual planting and perennials.  I not only have a green thumb,  but a green hand as well.

Some nice photos.   I think you should have a conversation with each.... and on the basis of the discussion,  you will get a better idea of who would work and who should be eliminated.    Good luck with all.

As a provider,  I think a diligent response is always important.   I say 24 hours for sure.   To be responsive is to show interest in the client and in the job in general.

Communication is a flow of ideas and interest.    The only exception is if the provider was sick or simply unable to respond.    Without it,  a client should consider moving along and finding another candidate.

I concur on the fingernail (or toenail)  polish.  I have a client is who bisexual,   and puts bright pink polish on his toenails.    I always kind of chuckle,  but to each his own I suppose!

So I had taken several months off from Rentmen with the construction of my home and ultimately moving in and the landscaping work.    

Made sure to see my regular clients,  but needed additional time for my work,  so I took about 6 months off.    The return was a bit of a cluster.

Really had a problem with my Visa card.   Part of my profile was deleted and if I created a new profile,   I could only use Mastercard or Bitcoin for payment.   I fiddled both directions,  but finally got my old profile moving.    Need to replace photos,   but the Visa card thing  (and had several conversations with the Webmaster) took 10 attempts.     Finally got it working .    I still need to recreate part of the profile.

While I do find it fascinating that you can now get,  like a dozen different types of "Special K",   Cheerios and other  long time cereals,   I have enough of a time even eating them at breakfast.    They don't provide enough for much of anything at breakfast to last me.     Breakfast is a very important meal  and most of these fall short.

I have to mostly "plan ahead"  with my schedule in general.   My challenge as a provider is to be "available now",  but that's another topic.    Planning and showing the interest and responsibility of working with a client  needs to be reflected by diligent action.    We all have a schedule.    If the dude would rather ski in the mountains than escort (and subordinates your interests),    I'd cross him off your list and move on.      He might have planned the ski trip,  but I would have expected him to have you on his planner and be happy to show up at the time you both agree.

There are many who will prioritize you and your time.

Well I think it has largely been said.,  but I'll add my 2 cents.    I've been all over the place.  I'm primarily a bottom,  so if I'm with a client,  I almost am always hard getting going and sometimes am hard throughout the entire bottoming process,   sometimes not.

Really a variety of reasons,  but not being turned on certainly isn't one of them.    It can be number of clients,   just the events of the day,  but it could imply a lack of something with the client.     That usually doesn't happen.      I wouldn't assume if he isn't hard and doesn't climax,  he isn't having a good time,  however.

32 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

Noble but it doesn’t track reality

It tracks my "reality".    I also confirm all before we meet.

So I work with out of state clients   (both when I am  "out of state"  and locally for those that travel to my locale and like most providers,   have a contingent  of "regulars"  that are more local and are repeat clients.   Some of the local clients know me in more detail and because of that familiarity,  tend to "chat chat"  about service  to other clients they may know that book me.

Now let me say,  I don't talk about other clients,  what I do with them and tend to be rather abrupt about the topic,  usually responding that,   "I don't talk about anybody,  their business or what I do",   usually pointing out that what "we"  do  isn't discussed in any way.

A client had asked me about my views regarding a friend of his who had also booked me.   The gentleman has a lot of tattoos and is quite well endowed.   I didn't give my opinion on either and changed the subject after explaining why.    The client wasn't upset.

To ignore that philosophy  is to invite a hornet's next and to behave unprofessionally.      

Thoughts?

Provider and client should always have an agreement prior to the service.    I would never spring something on a client as far as renumeration in the middle of a session.

Agreement as to service and renumeration should be agreed prior to meeting.   I don't even like clarifications when meeting a client.    No surprises for either party.

Well let me say when I first started,  I didn't have a lot of reviews either,  but those I had were excellent.    Southeast Asia a totally different situation.    I'd be very wary unless it was greatly apparent they were real and reliable.    I'd get more facts before doing anything.

Very interesting thread and topic!    I love car negotiations.    I actually just joined a new gym,   the first time in my adult life I changed gyms and it was what I call a "car negotiation.    I trade cars frequently and especially with the value of trade ins  recently,  I love to see what I can get.      A few things I'd recommend:

1.Know your facts about the car you want and if you are trading,   what you will take for the trade.

2. Don't limit yourself to local dealers.   While I live in Kansas,  my latest Camaro came from St. Joseph,  MO  and my Jeep Gladiator came from Tulsa,  OK.    I've purchased care i Missouri,  Oklahoma,  Arkansas and other states.   Some dealerships don't want to "play games"  as they put it and won't negotiate on your terms or level.   Screw them and cross them off the list and move forward.    You will always find someone who will negotiate with you.     They might be willing to come down from the MSRP,  but they will screw you with the trade in allowance.   You must balance everything,   taxes paid,  trade in cost basis,   what they will give you to drive to them.     I usually get $300-$500  for travel.    I also like to look if I'm in other cities,  seeing escort clients.   

If you are dedicated and serious,  it works well.    Don't take your eye off the ball and always be ready to head for the door if they aren't being fair or above board.    That happened in Little Rock,  Arkansas.    More often than not,   you will hear,    "Wait a minute".....

His ego is talking rather than the need to follow a proper business plan.   My gym time is very valuable to me,  but one crafts time for both exercise and client.

What he is saying basically is,   "I'm more important than you are",   it is a sign of a non professional and I'd steer clear.     Health and fitness if very important,  but it should be set around work time.    If there is a problem with balancing both,  a "rebalance"  should be considered.     The guy who said that to you should never be considered again.

Sometimes I do,  sometimes not.    As an escort,  I never equate  getting off with having a good time.   I almost always have a great time with a client.    

If I have multiple clients in a day,  it helps not to get off,  honestly.   There are some clients that prefer that their escort gets off with them,  but for others, it is about the service to them and their satisfaction.    I think its great to get off.    I don't think I ever think of it as an obligation.    

I am and pleased about it.

I don't care what the issue,   one never threatens another in this way.      I like Frank R's comment as well.    Both provider and client must act with reason and patience at times,  but this provider apparently flunked the basics.    Sorry to hear an event like this happened.    I would hope most professional providers  would respond reasonably.   I hope you have no more dealings with this person.

I was, it was an awesome time.  I enjoyed serving as “social chair” and working up all the plans!

Good thread and discussion.    I honestly haven't had too many issues with clients and always try to present myself as professional,  informed and responsible.    Most of the clients who hire me have treated me the same.    There have been exceptions.

You never know how a group of gay men will respond to something.     Interesting answers.    I chuckled.