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The answer to this perennial question is: “It depends on the masseur. Ask him.” Prices change over time. Whatever was typical in 2016 in a given market is going to be higher in 2024, especially after the crazy post covid economy wide inflation phenomenon. These are just my opinions. Take them with a grain of salt. With that said, and considering our local market, I’d say therapeutic only is in the range of $120-140/hr, $140 being high, and $125/hr being reasonable and typical. Some guys offer therapeutic only service at $80-100/hr, which I feel is quite low. Sensual and erotic territory I’d say is in the neighborhood of $130-$180, with $130 being quite low and $180 being quite high. $140-$160 is a good sweet spot (in my opinion, in 2024) for massages that include plenty of legit therapeutic work plus some sensual and/or erotic elements. That wide price range 130-180 gives a lot of room for more or less of the sensual and erotic stuff, such as some of the following: client undraped, masseur in underwear or fully nude, mutual touch is allowed including genital areas (the client’s and/or the masseur’s), body to body contact (more than just the masseur’s hands/arms), erogenous zones play such as nipples (varies by client), long flowing sensual full body strokes, maybe some prostate play if the client wants it, and a happy ending. In that range, almost all of them will provide a happy ending at a minimum. As for the rest, it varies widely. Some of your masseurs in this range will do more, such as perform oral, rimming, kissing etc. I really would not expect it though and you should be tipping generously when he does. If he provides full service anal sex, you really should be paying him $300/hr. These activities are all on the escort end of the spectrum and you shouldn’t expect them for essentially half price. Some of your masseurs will do only a couple items on the list, and that’s ok. It’s totally fair for this mid 100s price range IMHO. The list of activities is not exhaustive, by the way, just a sample. $180-200/hr you don’t see very often, for any services, be them therapeutic, sensual, erotic, or any combination. Just my observation. Above $200/hr and you’re into the low rate escort service range, which is always tricky because it’s high for services that exclude oral/anal, fetish, bdsm, vanilla cuddling/kissing, [fill in the blank any sexual service], etc., but too low for traditional full service oral/anal [or fill in the blank] sexual services. Those would be $250/hr on the low end and more typically be in the $300/hr range for most places in the US and higher in some US metro markets $350+. My personal view is the $200/hr-$250/hr range is a gray no-go zone (which will change in years to come as prices slowly rise). This range is too low for escort service and too high for sensual/erotic massage service. The way I see it, the client is going to be disappointed with receiving less than what he may feel entitled to for such a high price, or the masseur will feel like he is providing way more than he should for that price. Either way, someone is giving or receiving too much. I suggest to clients for whom erotic and sensual elements are very important: discuss activities with your masseurs beforehand to ensure you’re getting what you want and expect. If he is unwilling to put it in writing (which is perfectly reasonable btw), ask for a brief phone call to discuss. This goes for the more typical rates in the mid $100s/hr, but most of those guys are going to be providing an appropriate range of services for the rates they’re charging. I especially encourage clients to do this process for massage services totaling between $180-$250/hr. That’s where a lot of the mismatch happens.

Agree on Tim. I had a not so great experience with him. Poor massage skills. Attractive guy in person though.

Same here, Michael and Grant are on my list to try. Robert in Mission Valley is excellent. He’s straight. Strictly therapeutic, draped, him fully clothed, which is all fine by me. His waitlist is the only way to book him. Massage by Robert: Massage San Diego WWW.MASSAGEBYROBERT.COM I am a massage therapist in San Diego speacializing in clinical massage. Massage by Robert is located at 2525...

I won’t charge a fee to view nudes. Plenty of other guys will share theirs freely, so you’re turning away quite a lot of potential business. The pay wall issue is not just about money; it’s about convenience. The client wants to know: How easy is this provider to work with? They also want to know what they’re getting, and if they can’t, they wonder what the provider feels he has to hide. At the same time, if the client can’t ascertain if they want to hire me with a few pictures of my whole body from front to back, including being hard, etc. I know from experience they’re only looking to waste my time getting some form of free fantasy entertainment. Same goes for extended detailed discussions about the session and what will happen “what will you do to me?”, “tell me more”, etc. I have to cut those off. I don’t mind confirming what I am able and willing to provide for the client, but I’m not a free phone sex / sexting service.

If I must do fast food out of convenience, or to satisfy a craving, my go-to is my local drive-thru fast food taco chain, TJ Tacos. They have the *best* adobada fries. I order there a few times a year. Second choice, for once in a great while…In-N-Out! My order: (2) Double Doubles, protein style, no onion, no spread. No fries, drink, or anything else besides water. The spread makes me get sick.

Thanks. I actually don’t have much of a problem finding accommodations when I travel, for which I allocate double the budget per night than my local rentals. My issue is finding the right fit in San Diego where I work about 2/3 of the year. The residential market is very tight, not much available, so I’m considering alternative, out of the box solutions. MrBnB has fewer, and often more expensive listings than other platforms, but it can be a good resource depending on the city. For many reasons, I stick to renting a whole unit, nothing shared. For now, I rented a 125 sf windowless treatment room in an office building. Moved in today. You have to walk through a small lobby in a suite to access the room. Cameras monitor the lobby comings and goings, which is necessary, but not great for client comfort or discretion. I share one wall with a psychotherapist and one wall with the lobby. Several other rooms make up the suite which can each be rented by the hour, half day, day, week, or month. For acoustical privacy, I’m installing some treatments on the shared walls and gasketing around the entry door frame. Also a sound machine. I’ll have to cart laundry in and out and spend extra time doing laundry every day. I’m not thrilled about the new digs, but it will have to do temporarily while I continue my search for the “real” space. The “real” space needs a full bathroom in the unit with a decent shower, full size washer and dryer, space for a queen bed, space for a massage table, at least a minimal amount of storage, and convenient, reliable - if not dedicated - parking. Ideally no shared walls, or if shared, gapped double stud demising walls, and concrete construction ie no squeaking, bumping, voices or other noises traveling through wood construction floors above or below. Nothing kills a good massage or escort session like the sound of noisy residential neighbors. I know, I am very picky about all these criteria. I care about my clients, their privacy, convenience, and delivering a quality experience.

Thanks @robear. I have stayed in Sonder accommodations before, for a personal trip. Good tip.

I travel for parts of the year. I charge the same as I do at home and offer the same services. This is a common assumption that masseurs charge more or offer less, but only sometimes true of traveling providers. I make a profit by doing more volume, on average, when traveling than I do in my local market. The scarcity of how long I am staying in a given city creates a sense of urgency which motivates clients to book me knowing they have only a short window to see me. This urgency fills up my schedule and drives revenue. It’s a lot of work, by the way. It’s exhausting. I test a new market by staying for a few days, occasionally only one day, maybe a week if I’m willing to risk a big loss, just to see how much demand there is for my services. I return to places where I stay the most busy and skip places proving to be less busy. I also factor in my expenses (including the largest of those: accommodations) and offset my revenue to compare net income apples to apples in different markets. That bottom line comparison drives my travel decisions. I’m unlikely to visit Manhattan, Chicago, LA, or other large cities for that reason. I would basically have to work for less net profit than I earn in my local market. Since I’m unwilling to increase prices as some form of tax for an expensive local rental market, it makes little business sense for me to visit those places. My long game is to develop repeat client relationships in the markets I do the best in, and keep visiting those as much as I can without neglecting my local client base too much. By focusing on delivering quality service, I’m investing in my clients by demonstrating my value. They in turn want to see me again. My strategy gradually increases my productivity on each successive visit, and word gets around too. As for the short term strategy guys, yes plenty of them are delivering subpar service and/or overcharging because they have no interest in doing this work long term. For all they know, they may never see a given client again. They extract as much money as they can from a single visit knowing full well the client may never book them again. It’s sad, but true. Not all of us are like that, though. Some of us truly strive to deliver excellent service at a reasonable price. As for the sensual / erotic discussion, I’ll say what I always say in related topics: be upfront about your needs and expectations. Value your masseurs and escorts and compensate them appropriately for the services they are providing.

Yup, gone. He was in Columbus for a while saying he was only going to be available there a couple more months. I reached out to him on behalf of one of my clients. Crickets, no response whatsoever. Maybe he’s retiring or doing different work now.

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The classic solution is to work out of your own residential home / apartment / condo / etc, and I’ve done that in other cities with success. However, you need to have the right setup, live alone, and be situated in a location convenient to most of your clients. In San Diego, I have none of those things going for me; I live with my partner, in an area way outside of my typical client travel radius, and lack privacy at my house because of nosy neighbors, lack of separate dedicated space available, and other practical concerns. So, I have been renting residential units in more central areas to my client base and commuting on a daily basis. While all of this is quite expensive and annoying, it’s necessary for me to operate. Moving to a central area is not really an option for many reasons. Since I’m planning on more regular work travel, I am hoping to find a solution that saves me money while I’m working out of town. Any ideas for masseur and sex worker friendly housing / work spaces? Here’s what I’ve already considered: The short term rental market such as AirBnB, VRBO, and others is one way to go about it. I found monthly rental listings in my price range, but the options are quite slim. Otherwise it’s a perfect solution. Extended stay type hotels are less costly than standard hotels, but still almost double or more than what my budget can handle. Plus you may or may not get in-unit laundry, depending on which hotel brand. In unit laundry is essential to my business. Dayuse hotel stays are too short term for my purposes. I need to set up for all day and evening, some mornings, multiple days at a time. Dayuse can work for the occasional escort client that wants to pay for it in addition to my rate, but the cost is prohibitive for me to be profitable. Most clients aren’t willing to pay that extra cost, even if I arrange it for them (not to mention it puts me at financial risk when they flake). The typical sublet situation almost always lacks privacy, like it’s a room with shared common space (non-starter), or a unit in the rear of someone’s house, or above their garage, or somewhere that other tenants and/or the owner clearly sees the comings and goings, which is a problem. Apartments can work, but they’re less than ideal because most lack convenient reliable parking, and wood frame construction has neighbor noise from below the floor, above the ceiling, and side to side through the walls. Units in concrete high rise construction are more private, but typically too expensive. Housing aggregators like HotPads, and others like Craigslist show few appropriate options for short or long term rentals. I’m now looking at a co-working space for wellness professionals. You can rent treatment rooms by the hour, partial day, day, multiple days a week, by the week, or by month. The flexibility is awesome and it’s quite affordable. The setup is a suite in an office building and within the suite is a lobby and hallway you share with other wellness professionals. Not the most ideal from a privacy perspective, but the space is designed for clients to be coming and going all day, so all good there. Now the drawbacks. Bathrooms are public outside the suite, and no showers. No laundry, either shared or in the treatment rooms. I would have a sink in the treatment room, but no private bath or shower is a major drawback. I can’t exactly set up a bed in the space, firstly due to lack of space, but secondly because it would be inappropriate, and not private enough for such activities (some clients are way too loud!). I could offer massage, but not escort services. That cuts off an important percentage of my income. Co-working solves some problems, but not others. Any other ideas for types of places to rent, or sites or apps to use to find appropriate in all accommodations for massage and escort work?

It’s 111* F at noon in San Diego today. Supposedly we have the best (or among the best) weather in the United States. Just walking outside for a few minutes has me drenched and irritable. Be kind to your providers. If they are decent, they will not take forever and won’t take any time away from your session to shower before and/or after. I show the same courtesy to my incall massage clients. A lot of them are coming from, or going to, work in the same heat.

It’s arbitrary. On RentMen, I intentionally put all my pics in my public gallery, including explicit full frontal erect ones, and ass pics too. Two of those pics featuring me wearing a leather jockstrap, gag, and blindfold RM forced me put in my private gallery. Apparently those are too racy, but erections are not. I think it’s arbitrary, like they just want something in the “premium” gallery to motivate client members to spend more to access. It’s lame. It makes me look like I’m intentionally setting up my galleries that way, but really RM forces me. On RentMasseur, I intentionally keep all my more explicit photos in the private gallery. I don’t believe they will allow the explicit stuff in public galleries. I share private photos with any client who asks. They don’t have to spend money or risk sharing their information to view my private pics.

^Considering all the so-so and bad masseurs out there, I don’t mind paying a premium for a high quality experience. I’m glad to hear your time with Brady is worthwhile. Thanks for posting. ^I’m sorry to hear about this. It wasn’t me. I gave him a window of literally six days, and any time on those days to choose from. I was the least fussy, and most accommodating client possible in that regard. And no, I showed up 5 mins early exactly where he instructed. I truly sympathize with Brady because clients no-show on me, especially when I travel. It’s so frustrating regarding the lack of income but also the inability to make or proceed with alternate plans. This is undoubtedly why he requires deposits. I too get clients being demanding about getting exactly the time they want, rearranging my life to accommodate them, and the client making a big deal about it…and then that client no-shows. I truly get it. Those are really horrible clients. In private messages, others have confirmed that Brady has skipped out on many appointments with them - even regular clients! You have to keep booking multiple appointments in the hopes that one of them eventually materializes. Hot tip from you all: book with less notice, like maybe the day before, to minimize your risk of him no-showing. What a bummer having to clear so many hours in your schedule only to be disappointed time and time again. Some of you told me that Brady makes fan site content. If anyone has a link to his fan page, please reference it here. And yet, you keep booking. This is what still puzzles me. While some of you mention here and in PMs YMMV “extras”, I can’t imagine what he could possibly do with his body - therapeutically or otherwise - to make someone waste so many hours of their life dealing with no-shows. It truly boggles my mind. Guys in the deli section don’t get that much patience from their clients. When someone ghosts or no shows, clients move on. And that’s for guys in prime condition meeting all the most stringent client criteria for looks, personality, fame/following, and sexual offerings. I don’t understand why clients are extending many times more patience for Brady. Sure, maybe it’s an excellent deep massage, but I can’t imagine anyone justifying the hoops they have to jump through to get it. I’m only making assumptions, but fan site content creators spend many hours a week on their work. It’s not just the time on screen. It’s promoting, it’s planning, traveling, and dealing with other young, flaky collaborators and turning on a dime to accommodate everyone’s shifting schedules (including his own). Fan site content creation is a full time job, and quite unpredictable. No wonder he is changing last minute all the time. It’s just unfortunate he doesn’t embody the professionalism to communicate when things pop up. Sure, it may be annoying that he cancels on you half the time or more, but at least a decent masseur will communicate a cancellation (even last minute!) rather than making you lose half your day driving somewhere and being stood up in 105+ degree desert heat. Others say he easily gets overwhelmed. I feel for the guy. Whatever personal problems he is experiencing though, that doesn’t excuse his lack of professionalism. I won’t be trying Brady again for a few reasons: 1) I’m only in the Phoenix metro a couple times a year. I have to book ahead because clients tend to start filling my calendar in the days prior to arrival. That leaves odd times available, perhaps not a large enough block of time to travel from wherever I am in the metro to see Brady, have a two hour appointment, and get back in time to prep for my next client…that’s basically half a day wasted! 2) I’m there for work. Any time wasted on flaky masseurs is time I am not earning enough money to justify the trip in the first place. Having to book multiple “backup” masseurs compounds this problem. 3) I do not trust or respect people that operate the way Brady does. His behavior is unacceptable; it’s utterly disrespectful, and rude. We should not be rewarding people like Brady with our business. Period. No reasonable client should be expected to book multiple times on short notice in the hopes that eventually Brady may deign to follow through. That’s crazy! I feel for the guy because I am assuming he just has some personal issues keeping him from behaving professionally, but still, that’s not ok. If he’s making big money doing fan site content, good for him. Then maybe he should stick to that. For the rest of you willing to be put through the run-around over and over again…more power to you. If I were retired, living in the Phoenix metro and had nothing better to do, I could put up with this. That’s just not me though.

In this case, it’s a ‘level of effort’ issue, not a risk tolerance issue. It’s more difficult for many providers to get and stay hard using a latex sheath dulling whatever sensation that may have otherwise helped them perform. Maybe your guy can do it, maybe he can’t. I disagree with charging differently for bb/safe (either one), especially after the appointment starts. It’s an unfair bait-and-switch tactic. Anal sex is a fundamental level of service for an escort session, be it with or without condoms.

I run a snake charming school…😆 In all seriousness, I continue to learn every month, every year. I am happy to share my journey and lessons learned with those who want to grow. Big ask since the youngest among us think they know everything, and the older ones think the same, but for very different reasons. Technology and culture are in constant flux. Nothing is exactly the same as it was five years ago, and nothing will be exactly the same five years from now. A few core tenets are exactly the same because they are rooted in human nature. Unabashedly, I don’t know everything. I aim with an open mind to keep growing and learning from both those older and younger than myself, peers, and clients alike. That’s one of the main reasons why I’m here. Plenty of providers know about this site yet see no value in engaging with it. I do. Accommodation selection is one of many hiring topics. To any provider that wants my input, I’m an open book. ^Understandable. Be kind and patient with your providers speaking English as a second (or third) language. Anyone offering services in a culture different from their own should take it upon himself to use whatever tools available to communicate as clearly as he can. Some things, however, get lost in translation no matter the level of effort. That’s just the way it goes.

^I go out of my way to figure out if the listing is an ADU or if the host is onsite or has a property that they occupy on site or a property adjacent to the unit or in view of the unit, such as a house across the street. These are a non-starter for me. I won’t rent these units because I value privacy for myself and for my clients. It’s not always clear in the listing that you’re going to be monitored in such ways. That’s one of many reasons I prefer to rent a whole stand-alone single family house. ^This is usually cost prohibitive to have such a feature, at least for me, for business trips, but it’s nice to enjoy private amenities wherever possible. ^You just have to be good at searching, and select cities that offer competitive Airbnb rates. Some cities are prohibitively expensive and/or the options are more limited. For some cities, hotels are the same or better in terms of price. Many of them, including mid-size cities are actually a considerable savings compared to hotels. Hotels may be convenient for the person staying at the hotel, but often not for the person visiting. Parking fees in downtown locations and having to hike a ways with a massage table are two big ones. I consistently hear clients complain about providers hosting in downtown locations and that they won’t consider a incall in a downtown location. That’s why it behooves providers to host in AirBnBs. They’re convenient. They’re safe, depending on the neighborhood. Parking is free, close, and right next to, or on site with the unit, assuming the provider is discerning about choosing the right listing. ^Absolutely. Family or group vacations are much more cost effective this way, and arguably more fun having everyone under the same roof. It’s cozier, and offers more space and you get a full kitchen, among other amenities.

Then you have clients not using a phone number at all, only using exclusively RentMasseur messenger, RentMen messenger, and other app messages to communicate. One client arranged a two hour meeting with me yesterday after confirming details the day before. He deleted his profile and so when I was going to ask if he was still coming, it says the profile is no longer available. What a jerk. I wish people would just cancel instead of ghost/delete/block whatever. It’s so childish. At least a real phone number has nominal stakes, even if only a burner. That’s why some of my peers won’t book an appointment without a phone number, and refuse to book with numbers they can tell are burners.

^Knowing this from others’ comments, I scheduled WEEKS in advance to make sure I can follow up as many times as necessary to get an appointment scheduled on his books. I was prepared for slow and inconsistent communication knowing it would probably be worth the extra effort and patience. Many of you know I am generally a pretty patient guy anyway. While not great, communication with Brady actually wasn’t as bad as others say. Scheduling wasn’t my issue though. My issue is he stood me up. I’m not that guy who asks for a massage on very short notice like in 1-2 hours. I’m intentional. I plan. Especially in this case when I knew I would only be in the masseur’s area for a week. ^It sounds to me like his skills and him as a person are worthwhile when you actually get to see him. That’s why I went out of my way to try him, on his own terms, by being: 1) Prepared to pay more than I would normally be willing to pay for a massage 2) Really flexible with scheduling 3) Proactive 4) Not pushy 5) Mindful of scheduling a long session to make it worth his time (and mine!) The only thing I didn’t do on his terms was pay a deposit, but he agreed to waive it. Maybe he saw me as a less reliable client because of that, but if he didn’t want to see me because of the deposit issue, he could have just said no. I don’t get it. ^While the fun aspect is intriguing, I had no expectations that any extras would be part of my session. I really just wanted to try his therapeutic work. I know so many clients are pushy or creepy about ‘extras’. Being a masseur myself, I witness it every day, so when I get a massage myself, I show as much respect as I possibly can. That was my goal here when I contacted Brady. ^ @PaulM, by this are you referring to the effort of communication in scheduling an appointment? Has he ever stood you up? How many times are you willing to be stood up before you feel he’s not worth the effort anymore? Has Brady stood anyone else here up? I get that communication with him can be patchy and frustrating, but I knew that going in and braced myself for it. How many of you has he confirmed an appointment with and just not showed up? That’s my issue here. Is this behavior acceptable to you? Would you still see him again if he stood you up one or more times? Brady can walk on water once you’re in the room together, and maybe he does, but is that worth coming back multiple times, being stood up again and again, and scammed out of deposit money before you can see him? That’s a big ask. Clients here are way more critical about way more petty things. I’m just wondering what is so amazing that so many of you are willing to put up with so much unprofessionalism.

Yes, it should be obvious to program time between one appointment end time and the next appointment start time. Not factoring in this time is unprofessional provider behavior. I would be mortified if I made two clients pass one another on the way in/out. You need space for the unexpected. At least 30 minutes between clients. Say a client arrives 5-10 mins late and the next one arrives 5-10 mins early. That leaves you with barely 10 minutes to take care of all cleaning, communications, and rest. There’s no flexibility for chit chat, something taking longer than expected (like the client taking forever to cum!) or a technology delay when paying, or what have you. If not for client comfort and discretion, do it for the sake of taking time to clean (yourself, your place), food/drink breaks, rest, and importantly, time to respond to texts that a true professional would not be paying any attention to during the last appointment. Sometimes you only have time to respond to a question and say “I’m starting my next appointment in 10 mins. If I miss your reply while I’m working, I’ll get back to you after I free up.” A lot of times the client texts 15 mins later but it’s ok because they know to expect a reply after you finish your current meeting.

No, that’s a good sign. You should only see comments if a provider left one. Again, this platform is NOT for clients. It is NOT designed to establish, build, or maintain client reputations, so please do not read into it. It is only for warning other escorts of problem behavior, and reporting other general spam/scams. Honestly you’re better off not seeing anything that has been written about you (if there is anything at all). Some providers are really immature and post bogus comments. Imagine that: 20 year olds without life experience and sometimes using English as a secondary language blasting off with no spelling or grammar skills about some normal situation like a client asking for rates and not booking, saying the client is a “time waster” (or time “waiste”, etc), or someone is “creepy” simply because he is over 60 ie a normal common client age range. I wouldn’t want to put any of that garbage into your head and let it bother you. The good, mature, experienced escorts look right past that crap and disregard it anyway. If you’re doing a good job at picking the right guys, it won’t matter if you have these types of common comments on your number. Follow the advice on CoM about how to communicate with providers and you will be just FINE!!!

Whew! Glad the Spanish speakers are not a bunch of necrophiles.

Since he clearly doesn’t need the business, a few dozen people viewing this won’t make a difference, but it will save some clients some time and hassle.