Simon Suraci

I do this all the time for my regulars. I’m typically the madam arranging everything and collecting the $ from the client and paying the other guy(s) separately. I don’t charge anything extra or discount, I do this as a value added proposition for the client.

This is definitely a thing. Here’s one company local to where I am staying in Kentucky. Cleaning Entertainment, Inc. | Cleaning Entertainment, Inc. CLEANINGENTERTAINMENT.COM Some of their add-on services:

^THIS 💯

I block for several reasons. Here are just a few I can think of off the top of my head: 1. Repeatedly inquiring but never booking, sometimes over periods of years. Often with a lot of chatter that I patiently respond to every time. At some point, dealing with the client over and over has cost me more in time than it’s worth for me to collect in fee for an actual meeting, so I cut it off to quit my losses. 2. Client texts gibberish or something that looks like it will be so difficult to communicate with him that it’s not worth my time or energy to deal with it. See example below from tonight. 3. Client clearly only wants my time and attention for fantasy purposes but is not serious about booking me. Sometimes it’s obvious in a few texts or few minutes. Other times they string me along for hours or days with lots of time gaps in between messages. 4. Repeatedly asks the same questions, like I literally copy and paste my previous response or say “see response above”. Happens many, many times before I block. 5. Harassment, verbal abuse, personal attacks, threats of violence, and the like. People commenting on my body, looks or something about me they don’t like. Basically troll behavior. I suspect some of those are actually from right here on CoM. 6. Mr. Number reveals some egregious behavior from a problem client. I give 95% the benefit of the doubt, but proceed with caution. Once in a while comments are so consistent over such a long time (for example, many no-shows over two years), that I just don’t want to waste my time bothering with the client at all. 7. Penpals. Like a client books me for a one hour massage one time in a faraway city, and now feels it’s his right to insert himself into my life all the time by sending messages. I’m patient and polite, far beyond what I should be. I set boundaries with them. When they continue to ignore my boundaries, I block. 8. Scams. So many scams. On the daily. 9. Client indicates he is sexually interested in, or actually has sex with minors or non-consenting adults. Please don’t do this. It makes me have to report that stuff to the authorities and it puts me in a horrible position. 10. Stalker behavior, unhinged behavior. Like the client who I keep saying no to and eventually block but he tracks me down on Facebook and other socials to keep asking again and again, and uses manipulation tactics. He hired me for sex once and then expected me to go on dates with him for free and got upset when I didn’t and called me rude when I explained what the boundaries were. He kept at it for months with the same cycle. Eventually, just…block. He deleted his A4A profile and created a new one to try to talk to me again but I figured it out quickly, and so the saga continues on every platform to this day. I don’t engage with him anymore. Just block! 10. More will come to me… Wtf? After these six messages, I blocked: This one below really pissed me off. The first time he has a mysterious car accident before his appointment but texts to say he can’t make it. I’m forgoing my Father’s Day plans to make time for his second appointment and the client is having me cross dress (mutual CD situation, wants me to top… don’t ask). This next bit made me want to block him on the spot, but he apologized later. I’m at my door in lipstick, heels, and other attire (which he paid a deposit for), and he pulls this: None of the following are reasons for me to block: 1. Client is generally annoying. 2. Client looks, age, body type, race, ability, political affiliation, religion, class, gender identity, sexual orientation, relationship status. 3. Client likes to keep in touch, but maintains some boundaries. 4. Client asks for rates or other relevant information, no matter how rudely or politely they ask. Sometimes the info is on the particular platform they are viewing, sometimes not. I still answer anyway.

I feel it’s only right for him to return the deposit. At the same time, it’s best to confirm any particular items that are important to you before you book and send a deposit. And yet, you shouldn’t have to confirm everything he lists on his profile either. Bad on him for throwing in the kitchen sink on his profile and then not delivering.

I traded massages with Tal a while ago. He did a good job. Sexy man too. He has a steam sauna in his place. He told me he was moving to a new studio space soon.

Wtf? Wow, just wow.🤯

I met Peter, the owner of gaywellness when he was traveling through my city. Peter offered me three months free, then it reverts to a monthly subscription of something like $40 or more, can’t remember exactly how much. I told him the site is still too small to justify another monthly fee similar to RentMasseur and that I would rather pay on day one but pay a lower monthly fee in proportion to the low volume of clients. Something low, maybe $5-15 per month over 6-12 months until I see the value and consistency in the ad statistics. He was unwilling to do that, so I did the free trial to humor him. I checked my ad statistics for two months. I got two clients during my trial period, which is something. I determined the volume of views, phone contact clicks, and messages wasn’t high enough to justify the monthly fee. I see potential here, but I am unwilling to pay month after month for only one or two clients, perhaps zero clients some months. When it gets larger and consistently more traffic, I will reconsider, and told him as much. I canceled the trial.

I don’t think so. He was open to working together until I told him I also escort. We had even arranged a time to do an exchange to go over how we want to deliver our 4-hand sessions. I was clear with Kyle that we would only be doing therapeutic work together. I respect his professional boundaries. It was only a problem after I told him I escort. I clarified that my sex work offerings would have no overlap with our 4-hand sessions. We wouldn’t even do a happy ending. That wasn’t enough, apparently. Kyle had a problem being associated with a sex worker. That was his hangup. I’m not saying it’s right, but on the one hand, I understand how he may not want to give people the impression that he also offers sex work services simply because he offers massage with someone who does advertise sex work services. On the other hand, he does offer sex work services, but only for clients with whom he wants to have sex. He may not advertise sex work or quote an appropriate rate, but getting paid for a therapeutic massage and then proceeding to have sex with the client is a form of offering sex for money. It’s the classic “paid Grindr” approach. My friend confirmed that this is still the case, based on conversations he’s had with Kyle. I respect doing therapeutic work only and not wanting to give the impression that more is on offer. What I don’t respect is the paid Grindr approach to massage work, and then having a holier-than-thou attitude toward someone like myself when I charge sex work rates for sex work and do it for a wide range of clients. He can’t be associated even though he does the same kind of work. The difference is he only does it when he feels like it, with people he is into.

Update on Kyle. One of my friends sees him and told me Kyle wasn’t doing the charade of asking his prospective clients for photos/stats before deciding to see them any more. Good on him, sounds like he has evolved, at least in that way. Good on Kyle for knowing the limits of his expertise and not over promising to fix your problems @Casual. Not knowing exactly what you asked for, in general it’s sometimes better to refer a client to a chiropractor, physical therapist, a provider skilled in other modalities such as Thai Massage, or a medical professional. Massage is a good compliment to other forms of treatment, but it can’t address everything a client might need.

Speculation about why is a fools errand. I would let it go and move on. It’s probably best you DON’T know why. At best, it doesn’t concern you, and not really your business. At worst, it could be something you’re better off not hearing.

I hired Iverson on my client’s behalf for a threesome. It was very hot time! He’s quite new to being a provider, and it shows. Anyone interested feel free to PM me. Between romps, he was a good sport when responding to my client asking rather uninformed, if not earnest, questions about being trans. At one point my client used ‘trans’ as a verb and I was mortified. Iverson laughed, took it all in stride and used it as a teachable moment. It was easy arranging for Iverson to travel from Austin to Dallas for a 90 min session, and fortunately he booked another client after us to make the trip more worth his while, without having to book accommodations overnight. I was surprised he did not ask for a deposit and took the bus round trip because he does not drive. My guess is he is still too green to be jaded quite so much as the rest of us. Or maybe he felt comfortable with me. Either way, it all worked out well. He’s originally from Florida.

Yup. See y’all there! It’s a lot more fun than a conference room though. Hire til your heart is content. Then socialize with some good natured like minded guys by the pool. Or go for hikes, have good food, and relax. And late at night when the hot tub is a’ splashin’…join! The forums are more diverse than you might think. Yes, plenty of older gentleman on the whole 55+, but those tend to also be the most active and vocal. There are plenty of men (besides providers) in their 20s, 30s, and 40s reading posts all the time and rarely or never participate. I know because some of them are my clients. Then you have some frequent participants in those younger age ranges too, but I would say, aside from providers, the younger men active in the forums are in the minority.

Cash is king and always will be. It’s the only truly private way to pay. In this biz, privacy and discretion are paramount to a large percentage of our client base. It’s frustrating mainstream business is slowly doing away with cash, like restaurants that only accept digital payments, and some Target locations only provide one self checkout machine (of 8+) that accepts cash. Like it’s some huge bother. While doing some grocery shopping the other day at Trader Joe’s, a Gen Z cashier looked terrified at the sight of cash, like she didn’t know what to do with it. She also did not know what 6x8 was without using a calculator. She asked the bagger, and she (also Gen Z) didn’t know either. Troubling. I gave another Gen Z cashier a $100 bill for a large purchase last year. This bill was printed in the 80s or 90s and had the older style design. He thought it was fake. His manager had to come over and make a scene educating him about how different ways currency looks over the decades. So embarrassing.

Oh! Duh, I should add to the list of items defining my favorite clients: REVIEWS. Not all of my favorite clients write reviews, for many valid reasons I respect. However, reviews certainly make me value my clients even more. Reviews are an important part of almost any successful contemporary business. Clients taking time to leave a thoughtful positive review are worth their weight in gold. For some, that’s a LOT of gold lol! I’m not afraid of less than stellar reviews either because it shows a range of experience. It’s unrealistic to please every client 100% every single time. If I satisfy most of them most of the time, I’m doing pretty darn good. Quality of reviews matters too. It’s one thing to put 5 stars and say “He was good”, or “I had a good time”. Those are welcome and matter for sure, but it’s much better to put a few specifics, however brief they may be, like: “He put me at ease right away, and alleviated my shoulder pain. His space is calm and welcoming. Simon used the perfect pressure.” I just made that one up as an example. One of my clients earlier this year not only wrote a kind, thoughtful, genuine, and thorough review, but he went out of his way to post it to multiple platforms. This client went waaay above and beyond. He’s a rare gem. I really like seeing him. Can’t wait until our next couple of sessions scheduled on my tour this summer. To reciprocate my appreciation, I made a special offer for him. It’s important to me that reviews are genuine i.e. no quid pro quo behind the scenes. I don’t ask for reviews or incentivize them in any way. All of my reviews are genuine, because the client decided he wanted to leave one. That makes for more valuable reviews. I may have fewer reviews than many others, but what I do have is the real deal.

Can you provide some examples on what posts we should be reporting? i.e. personal attacks, off topic discussions, slurs & name calling, trolling, etc. The site guidelines are a great resource, but it would help to have something here in this thread. Linking those guidelines here: Company of Men Guidelines

Here are the basics, for any client: 1. Pay your provider his rate. You’re not obligated to tip, but please don’t attempt to negotiate down. Most people on this forum get it. Not everyone does. 2. Show up on time. When you have something come up, tell him that you can’t make it and then make every effort to reschedule when possible. A heads up when you know you’re running late helps. Ghosting and no-showing are unacceptable behaviors. Occasionally, your time may be cut a bit short when we have something scheduled right afterwards and you’re late. We providers owe clients the same courtesies, by the way. It’s a two way street. 3. Respect your provider. Stick to whatever boundaries he sets, or move on if those boundaries don’t fit what you want. Treat your provider as a human being, in the same way you want to be treated. 4. Communicate what you want. We can’t read minds or be ready for any scenario at any time. For example, we can’t retroactively douche when it’s clear in the moment you want to top but you never said anything about topping before the meeting. If kissing is important to you, ask about it upfront. And so on… 5. Book the services you actually want and develop realistic expectations of cost for those services based on going rates in your market. Do not expect full service for the typical going rates for a massage, for example. Or book an escort and expect him to deliver a top quality professional massage. 6. Maintain good hygiene. Wash your body before an appointment, including your bits and your ass, even if you’re not bottoming. Brush your teeth, and if you can’t do so in the hours before, at least use a bit of mouthwash. Some providers keep mouthwash on hand, so feel free to ask. My favorite clients: A. Tip. This is rewarding and motivating for us. Money trumps a lot of other things on these lists. We overlook a host of other things for good tippers. B. Frequently book. If not in the same city, they book me whenever they are in my city. I know it’s fun to try a new guy every month/week/day or whatever your budget allows for, but having regulars in your rotation gets you truly excellent experiences. Loyalty goes a long way. It motivates us to go the extra mile for you in terms of time and effort. I pick up loyal regulars from the airport or go to dinner with them without charging for my time, or arrange for threesomes with other providers for them, or give them my sexy underwear for their collection, or do extra stuff that takes time and effort and money to do that I don’t charge for. Never these for a new or infrequent client. C. Respect me. D. Maintain boundaries around the relationship. It’s ok to be friendly, be passionate, even have a serious crush. You can get quite personal, over time. But it stops there. I’m not your real boyfriend or husband. I’m there to make you feel amazing for a period of time, for a fee. Never forget that. E. Show appreciation in non monetary ways. A simple, genuine “Thank You” and a hug go a long way. F. Trust me. G. Give as much notice as possible for setting, rescheduling, or canceling appointments. H. Follow through.

I’m top/versatile. I have only a few pics featuring my ass and I don’t post them to every profile, or they are in a private album. Those usually aren’t the first pics I send when a client inquires for more pics. It’s been a challenge at times getting something together for a top client to peruse when he asks. I probably lose a few top clients by not featuring my ass more prominently, but I often wonder how many more bottom clients I would lose by featuring more of my ass. It’s a challenge appealing to tops and bottoms. Bottoms often want you to be a “total top”, and sometimes the opposite for tops, but it varies. The idea of topping a top can be exciting for some. Remember: sex is about power exchange. This tension between appealing to a wide audience vs appeasing a narrow slice is one of the many reasons why sex workers sometimes list “ask me” in the position category. It’s why we display photos of one aspect of our bodies and not the other. Some of us are truly top only or bottom only, but most of us fall somewhere between those two, even if it’s a small percentage of one vs the other. I can’t tell you how many clients identify as total tops but after seeing me they enjoy bottoming (at least for me). Labels are just labels. Sometimes life experience happens and what you thought was fixed isn’t anymore, and you’re better off because of it. Plenty of members here disagree with me on that point, and they will die on a hill over being only ever a top til death, amen. Fine. Agree to disagree. My experience tells me that the key to a fulfilling sex life is openness and a willingness to try different things with different people. This week in Dallas I did a photo shoot with my favorite photographer. Should be at least a few weeks away, but y’all can look forward to some more juicy pics on my ads soon, including more cock and more ass. Plus all the regular shots that play into my “brand” (if you want to call it that). Some say I’m a guy next door. Or guy next floor (in cities). Others say I’m a wholesome hooker. Hopefully we captured it. 🤞

It varies for me. It takes more time, focus and attention on my cock to get/stay hard when I am getting fucked. Depends on the top too, how well we know each other, how he goes about his business, his patience, and if he is attentive to my pleasure too (that last one is not always a given). A lot of times I am totally flaccid, leaking precum, and enjoying it! My erection comes and goes, unrelated to level of pleasure and arousal. Other times I am rock hard and keeping his hands away while he thrusts because I will explode prematurely with even a small bit of stimulation. Simultaneous orgasm is more common with my clients and I than others here suggest. Varies quite a bit but certainly in the realm of possibility, especially if I can edge while fucking him, kind of in a holding pattern until he is ready to shoot, then I go for it, assuming that’s what he wants. Recently I gave a client multiple anal orgasms and when I asked if he wanted to cum he said he was exhausted and satisfied and didn’t want/need to cum i.e. “ejaculate” in the traditional way. He said the experience was even better than cumming. Did you know you can have non-ejaculatory orgasms? And multiple of those, and minutes long orgasms? It takes a long time to develop this skill, but it’s possible. Life changing. Some clients hire me for coaching on this topic.

I wish she would own up to her horrible behavior, apologize, and take steps to be better. She doesn’t think she’s done anything wrong, like she’s the victim. She’s so out of touch.

I’m your man, right here. Based in SoCal. I advertise as a masseur and an escort and I am good at both. It’s not just one service lumped into the other as an afterthought as is so commonly the case. As far as pricing goes, I would not mind the client rimming me, and I would not charge extra for it. I would, however, expect the client to communicate his needs when booking so that I can allocate adequate time beforehand to make sure I am fresh and ready to be rimmed. I would also expect the client to tip more generously because the service the client is asking for goes well above the call of duty for a masseur. There may be no penetration, but it’s still some level of escort service. Not everyone who hires escort service wants penetration, but that doesn’t mean it’s not escort service. Clients who don’t tip for going the extra mile I’m less inclined to go said mile the next time around. I don’t distinguish my pricing between therapeutic and erotic since almost all my clients want and expect at least a minimal amount of erotic contact during their sessions. How far they want that erotic level to go is up to them. Regardless of the erotic elements, the client still gets a focused, therapeutic massage in a reasonable range of $150/hr. The rest is a value-added bonus. The lines can get blurry at times, but I do draw some limits. I can’t offer oral and/or penetration to everyone for a regular massage fee. It’s simply unsustainable to operate this way. It might be other things like someone wanting a lot of spanking, fetish play, kissing, or what have you. There are no codified limits as to what the boundaries are. When I sense the client wants and needs a lot more than I can provide for a massage fee, I suggest after the session is over that they book a combo massage / escort session, or an escort session the next time. That way I don’t need to hold back at all. We just go for it. Everyone is happy.

Me: Been to any concerts lately? Client: Well, I want to see Willie Nelson, but he’s on the road Me: Again?! Client: Yeah, seems he’s always touring outside of Austin… Me: *dying inside…*

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Yes, geography unfortunately limits who can see whom. I keep running lists of clients in different cities, both regular and prospective. I have quite a few interested CoM members in the NYC area, for example, even though I’ve yet to make a work trip there yet. My prospective client list in NYC influences me to travel there in the future. Same for other places. I encourage clients to reach out privately to providers they like. You never know when they will be near your area. Having enough interest in a given area brings us to places we might not otherwise visit. I’ve been to cities because a CoM member wanted to see me there and now I have regular contacts in those cities that keep bringing me back.

I’m sure it will be much easier and more popular to view info on providers, including those active on the site, once the review features go live. You will have to ask the site developer for status. Posting relevant links below: Until the review features go live, anyone interested in me can find more about me on CoM including one linked review here: We’re not in cahoots with the site. If anything, us being here holds clients accountable because we can correct misinformation and clarify the facts. It’s easy to write a trite, nasty, anonymous review right after having an appointment or interaction that didn’t go as you wanted it to go (for whatever reasons). It’s more difficult to justify your behavior when a provider clarifies the facts and puts what you say into context. We’re human too. We won’t be perfect with every client or every time. Being here is an opportunity to own up to our shortcomings and publicly make things right, which inspires trust. Personally I view my involvement here as part fun, and part marketing. I receive quite a lot of business directly or indirectly due to my being active here. A professional in another field might attend a conference, write an article in a journal, or go to a cocktail party with industry insiders as some different ways to approach business development. This site is some version of the same type of thing, but for our field.