Simon Suraci

For my clients, it’s the whole package. Clients wanting the biggest dick, the muscliest build, or the bubbliest butt can find that easily to the right or left of me on any grid, but those guys aren’t me. My clients value me for who I am, my talent, and level of engagement. There’s a provider for everyone, from the man who wants a blow up doll with a pulse, to the man who needs purely to be heard and understood. There’s a whole spectrum. We’re all unique and meet different needs. There is no one-size-fits-all escort or one-size-fits-all client.

Wise words @Vin Marco. Thank you for sharing. I’m glad we have you back here!

I was trying to confirm a time on a date that we had already agreed upon for a group session he indicated he was into, and gave a numbered list for him to confirm he is good with all the activities. He ghosted me. I get the sense he is not serious, and the other interactions before that gave me a weird vibe. I never met him, but based on the communication, I would not recommend.

Respect to you, Danny. No need to discuss $ if you don’t want to. The forum is chock full of discussions about how much providers charge and how much clients pay, and equally important - what providers don’t charge and what clients don’t pay for various services. This particular topic is a chief example of pricing exceptions proving a general rule. Here on the forums is one of the few places I’ve found to gather and share such information so freely and openly, which has helped me better understand market dynamics and therefore helped me make better decisions to improve my business. If not here, then where?

Rats! Thanks for the heads up, @7829V

Also interested

Whether we providers genuinely enjoy the experience is irrelevant. The question is: did YOU enjoy the experience? If so, pay the guy and see him often. He’s providing a high level of value to you. Reciprocate that value to him. A client hired me for an overnight recently. Given, this was not for massage although he does like some massage time, but that’s beside the point. We have a good long time rapports going and it works because we both understand the transactional nature of the relationship, respect the boundaries, and yet have a great time together anyway. It’s possible to be genuine and still provide a professional service. For example, while he was fucking me, he hit just the right spot and we stayed in that position for a while me riding him, and it gave me a non-ejaculatory orgasm lasting for a solid few minutes. I didn’t hold back at all. My voice, breath, expression, and demeanor matched the intensity of my feelings. It was amazing! I usually am the one fucking him for most or all of the session, and it was refreshing to switch roles for a bit. I wasn’t acting at all while I enjoyed myself in that moment. He told me later that it’s important to him that I am genuinely enjoying myself too and that he appreciated me sharing moments like that with him. For some clients, an important element of value we provide is to actually enjoy the experience, which in turn gratifies the client. You can’t buy that on a hookup app. Acting is part of the job. Once in a while, I truly have to ‘act’ and I don’t like it, but I do it. I can’t genuinely be in ecstasy at every moment with every client. That’s unrealistic. I may not even enjoy the experience at all, but who’s to say? Fortunately I have very few clients where that is 100% true. I like to play up the moments I am enjoying and play down the moments I don’t enjoy as much. That way, it’s more an augmentation of reality rather than a false reality. With most clients I find something about them and/or what we are doing together that I like and I focus on that. It’s often multiple things. In that way, it’s not acting as much as it is focusing. It takes an experienced savvy provider to walk this line well. A while ago a client gave me one of the best blowjobs. Top 10, easy. And you don’t want to know how many BJs I’ve had from how many different men over my life. It would make us both blush. It’s difficult to find men who give truly excellent head. Plenty of so-so, decently proficient, and lots of really bad head out there. So when I come across a rare encounter with a truly skilled man, I relish the experience. I thought to myself in the moment, “I should be paying him!” And then I snapped out of it and remembered that everything about the experience is on his terms, for his benefit. We meet when he wants, do the things he likes, the way he wants, for as long as he wants, and I am not dictating any of it for my own pleasure. I’m doing everything for his ultimate gratification. My reward is monetary. Any pleasure I get out of it is incidental. So whether your provider enjoys the session or not - and whether you CARE if he enjoys the session or not - he is giving you what you want. Passive or active, he is delivering value to you on your terms. And at the end of the day, if he genuinely likes it, wouldn’t this be a nice bonus for you both? And if he’s acting, wouldn’t you rather not know? Pay your professional providers. Tip them. Hire them frequently. And please ….clients…. stop overthinking his level of enjoyment or lack thereof. Focus on YOURS!

I don’t like upselling either, from a client standpoint or as a masseur on the other side. I do think it’s ok to charge more for a higher level of service, but only at the client request for more, not in the heat of the moment after the masseur has intentionally aroused the client. The client and masseur should discuss higher rates after the session for the client to consider calmly and carefully before booking for more services next time. That’s the difference between a likely repeat/regular and a one-and-done client. Then of course the masseur could be more generous in his offerings included in his regular pricing, such as working nude and allowing mutual touch. Assuming his base rates are reasonable, I see this as a good value-added proposition. Nobody should be expected to do this, it’s just nice when they do. Nickel and diming the client is annoying for both parties. Kills the mood. I prefer to split service rates cleanly between massage with whatever extras I include as standard, and a higher rate for full service, if the client requests it ahead. No “touch my dick and it’s this much more”, then “put your mouth on it and it’s this much more”. Come on. Either do it or don’t. You’re not a stripper twerking for tips.

Joey tells me Beau Travis is in a different city now; Beau lists Seattle on his profile. Joey asked if we would be doing anything with the client. I told him it would be mostly the client watching us and then described some of the interactions the client wanted. Unfortunately Joey wasn’t interested in joining us after that. I figured it would be an easy call playing with other escorts. Oh well. Plenty of others to ask.

Yes, the dead profile and subsequent new one gives me cause for concern

I’m interested as well, for Deli services. Linking to that thread here:

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He quoted me the same. Typical going rate in LA where he is based is $350. He charges more when he travels to cover expenses. Some guys do this 🤷‍♂️ The rate in my case is no issue, but I am concerned about the comments @kaboom35 mentioned. What were your red flags, aside from the RentMen reviewer?

Thank you so much @mkm556 Two beautiful men. I’ll have to glean what I can on Beau Travis as well.

Also considering XL Mid East Muscle, although he is in LA, so it will cost more to get him down to SD. Here is a link to an existing thread on him: XLMidEastMuscle Anyone seen him? Looking for escort services, not massage this time. Any general intel from massage appointments would be useful though. also: RentMen RentMasseur

I love my job 😊 It sounds a lot more glamorous than it actually is. I spent a great deal of time organizing this session: coordinating, communicating, researching, schmoozing, and patiently doing a lot of client handholding and management. It probably took me 6-8 hours of time not including the actual appointment, prep time, or travel time. Lots of little details like making sure one of the guys who doesn’t drink has seltzer water to pour into a champagne glass because the client wanted us all to share in a bottle together before we start the session. It took a lot of client management time, calming his anxieties and entertaining his random rabbit holes. Yes, this work has its perks. Sex with amazingly hot men is one of those. But please remember it is all still work and it takes effort to do it professionally. My job is to make it look effortless. Getting everyone to arrive on time, wearing the specific things they are supposed to wear, communicating everyone’s boundaries ahead, among other things takes organization and planning. I booked the session weeks ahead based on five busy people’s schedules. Part of my professionalism is focus on client satisfaction, not my own. In fact, nobody came during this particular session except the client, even though the client originally wanted all of us to cum on his face, in addition to a many other very specific and niche things I won’t detail here. After the client came, he enjoyed watching us and participated for a while and then the energy shifted and he indicated non verbally that he was done and ready to wrap up. The boys and I were all sweaty and tired as well. It would have been really easy for me to insist that we keep going or try to pump out a load while I was turned on by someone or something happening. I didn’t do that, and neither did the other guys. The client was satisfied, we did our job, and we stopped. The boys and I can hook up on our own time if we really want to, but we don’t. Business is business. I respect everyone’s personal boundaries. While sex with hot men is a perk, at the end of the day it’s just work. It’s not about me and my personal desires or fantasies or getting off when and how I want to. This work is for the benefit of the client, and our reward is monetary compensation, plain and simple. That’s enough for me. I did a lot of work for $300 compared to any other typical full service appointment. Those are much easier and definitely take much less of my time or effort for the same fee. I do this for my client because he is loyal, serious, and hires me frequently. His value to me I reciprocate in turn to him.

One of my clients is interested in hiring him for a group session. No takers yet for escort services?

We’re considering Joey Dane. Anyone know him, or his partner Beau? Here is a link to a thread I just created for him: Joey Dane - Provider Thread

Joeyxdane - Male Escort, Gay massage - San Diego | Rent.Men RENT.MEN Joeyxdane Gay Escort in San Diego, California, available for Gay Escorting,Modeling,Erotic Massage. |... RentMen Profile Twitter Any experience with Joey? His RM reviewers say he is “sweet”, “sexy”, and “fantastic”. He has done threesomes for clients with his partner, Beau. I’d love a link to Beau’s profile if he runs an ad and anyone knows him. That would be a plus if Beau could join. My client is interested in hiring Joey for group fun. I ran a few searches on the forum site, and couldn’t find any existing commentary. Here is a cross reference to my other thread regarding providers for group fun: Best of San Diego Recommendations

I DM’d you on 10/3, but haven’t heard back. If you have more SD recommendations to share here or privately, please do share.

Thank you all again. I organized a successful multi-escort outcall appointment with Jacob Larsen, MuscleGingerXL, Erik Duran, myself, and my client. All went well! Last night was a blast. Our latest addition, Jacob (linked upthread), is stunning. Absolutely gorgeous from head to toe, body, face, smile. And that ass…wow! 🤩 chef’s kiss. His cock was amazing too and I got to take it a few times before reciprocating. He clearly had a good time and obviously enjoys topping. The others and I took turns opening him up gradually from smallest to largest cock. That was hot. And man, I enjoyed kissing Jacob. Most importantly, he was professional, easy to communicate with, and followed through on all counts. I highly recommend Jacob and expect to collaborate with him in various scenarios in the future. My client was thrilled. We’re already discussing his next multi-hire. More recommendation requests to follow. My client wants to add and rotate more men in and out of our multi-man blowout sessions.

The norm for the majority of clients is one and done. I can get some massage clients off more than once, and they tend to be on the younger end of the spectrum, but normally just one time, regardless of age or overall health. They may want to go more but just can’t, even when they are hard again. I think some of this dynamic has to do with the time constraints of the session. If we had longer together, maybe it would flow more naturally into two or more rounds, but everyone has a budget. Same with escort clients. Usually one and done, and the CLIENT starts wrapping up ready to go, not me. This is why I try to pace the session so I don’t get them off too early unless they communicate that’s what they want and I oblige. For those of you like @pubic_assistance, communicate with your escort or masseur that you want to go again. I’m happy to entertain my clients for as long as they want within the time they are paying for. You may want to extend your session when you’re really having a good time and want to keep going. Ask to extend. The norm is one and done. It may not be that your guy is trying to cut your time or enjoyment short. He’s just used to one and done clients and unless you communicate, it’s really easy for him to miss your cues and fall into his rhythm of wrapping up after the first orgasm.

I didn’t opt for the ambient lighting but seems like a nice feature. I provide my own mood lighting in studio and sometimes when I’m on the road I put a rechargeable battery powered light under the table, the kind you see on restaurant tables. It’s a nice 2700k color temperature. Sorry, that’s my inner architect nerd coming out. When that light goes bad at some point, I’ll swap it out more easily than an integrated fixture.

All the more reason to invest in a high quality table. One of my masseur friends keeps buying cheap tables and they break after a couple years. This is our primary tool for our business. I feel it’s worth the investment for something that will hold up. $500-600 range versus $100-$200 range makes a huge difference. Some masseurs I know use a stationary electric hydraulic table costing thousands. I don’t think that’s necessary, but to each his own. Personally, I prefer the Master Massage brand, model: Husky Gibraltar. The name makes me laugh. That, and the fact that on some ads they market it as “Olympic size”, like massage is an Olympic sport. Reminds me of the mom on My Big Fat Greek Wedding going out to buy “Queen” size panty hose, as if the garment is for a mattress. I digress… The table has lasted me for years and travels fairly well for outcalls. I keep a second one in my Jeep for that purpose. The Husky is 32” wide and the manufacturer claims this table supports up to 3,200 lbs. I don’t believe that, and never had a desire or reason to test anything close to that ridiculously high limit, but it gives me confidence that two men collectively weighing 300-600 lbs or more will do just fine using it for massage and/or sex, and it can take some heavy point loads from time to time. At some point it becomes impractical for me to mount the table with my client purely for spatial and logistical reasons rather than weight limitation reasons. Master Massage 32 WWW.MASTERMASSAGE.COM Table Specifications Size: 32" x 72" (W x L), 84" long including headrest Height: 24" - 34" (adjustable)...

The needs of different clients regarding the “Boyfriend Experience” are multifold. Most want penetrative sex as part of the experience, maybe some only want oral or fetish play as the sexual component. Sometimes no sex at all, but usually some form of sex. Often the BFE is geared toward more kissing and hugging and physical intimacy in addition to the sex itself. But all BFE clients have needs beyond sex - for companionship, understanding, compassion, connection, and acceptance. That may come in the form of conversation over dinner or sharing in the client’s non-sexual hobby. Cuddling in bed before/after. Being seen, heard and respected. One of my clients sees me for a combination of things. He likes to be massaged for part of his time which is great. I spank him and he ultimately gets off to that part which is how we typically end, but most importantly he sees me to kiss, cuddle, and to be held. We spend most of the session with me holding him in various close contact positions, and he weeps while I do. We alternate between moments of pleasure and moments of comfort, me holding him as he emotes. He likes to be physically dominated, and simulated sex is part of that (basically elements of frottage and wrestling), maybe some teasing his hole with my fingers and mouth here and there, but no actual penetration, says he doesn’t want it. Occasionally he likes to give oral. Those are the most traditional escort-y things we do. The real value to him is what we do beyond those. I don’t pry, but I know that he is a full time caretaker to his older husband and seeing me is his means of relief and reprieve, a sense of escape, and a place for him to relax and be himself. In fact, he often says “thank you for letting me be me”. Perhaps some of his need is to mourn the loss of his husband and by extension, loss of sex and a life with relative freedom. My client is clearly very sad and going through loss, even though his husband is still alive. In a way, it’s more difficult to cope because his husband lives on with a very limited physical capacity, leaving my client all the responsibility of marriage without any of the benefits. It’s sad. Seeing me gives him some sense of peace and comfort. For someone to take care of my client for a change. This is just one version of many constituting the “boyfriend experience”. Everyone is a bit different.