Simon Suraci

Hi gents. I’ll be in Phoenix next month and one of my clients wants a 4-hand massage with me, but I told him I’m traveling solo. He’s undeterred. Can the Phoenix area folks recommend anyone I should try reaching out to propose a collaboration? Someone skilled and compatible with my style, not too outrageously priced. I offer a combo of therapeutic and erotic, and offer full service as well. Deep tissue is my specialty, and I incorporate plenty of sensual and erotic touch throughout. Last time I was in Phoenix it was pretty hit or miss finding a good masseur. There are so many options I don’t even know where to start.

With 25 years of experience and listing only 36 years old, apparently he started his massage career as barely even a tween. He either needs to add ten or so years to his listed age or reduce his listed experience by ten or so years for his age to be realistic. Aside from that, he’s quite a specimen. I’d be curious what others think of his work. Interesting description. I love sports massage.

Whoops, I searched for Milo before posting this, nothing came up but then I found him later after the fact in this existing thread when searching for other Denver guys. Linking: Threads merged!

He does legit Thai style massage and also mutual nude male pelvic floor and lingam massage and other bodywork. He has a legit therapeutic only side of his practice and an explicit m4m focus side as well. I was intrigued when he asked me last year to be featured in one of his massage videos receiving his work. He charges in a fans site format for explicit m4m massage content. Here are his sites below. Unfortunately I will just miss him when I am in Denver as he will be in Salt Lake City and I will be in SLC right afterward so our dates are flipped. Bummer. He travels a lot though. I hope to catch him elsewhere. Any experiences to share? I really want to try his Thai therapeutic massage. The rest sounds intriguing. Maybe you will see me on one of his videos one day. RentMasseur Legit Website Fans Content Site

Thanks @ApexNomad. I could say the same about you! I do truly love my job. This work is meaningful and important. Sure not every appointment is some special, deep, meaningful experience, but I have so many that are, that it keeps me going. I care about making a difference in people’s lives, in whatever weird, niche way. Society at best laughs off what I do, dismissing it as something frivolous, or at worst, decry the work as immoral. But few can fill this very special niche role in the world. I keep a running list of client quotes that they’ve either said to me in person or texted, or said over the phone, but never shared in the form of a written public review. One of the most consistent comments or variations thereof is: “you make me feel safe”. That’s a really difficult thing to do when you think about it. I take pride and ownership over this quality, and the value my clients place on it. It’s a privilege and an honor. I approach my work with respect, knowing people choose me out of all the others to share their most intimate moments, and their deepest desires. I hold space for their most vulnerable moments in the palm of my hand. Trust goes both ways. Some of my best clients are those who recognize that sense of safety and choose to trust me. This is where the meaningful stuff happens. They reveal parts of themselves they never felt safe to share before, even with a therapist. They find freedom to express themselves or do things in ways they can’t do elsewhere. They discover things about themselves they never knew because they finally felt safe enough to try it with me. Those are the clients I most enjoy seeing; people that embrace the moment and use their time to be fully human, to feel alive and free. To do, and say, and feel the things they can’t in the everyday contexts of their lives. That’s profoundly valuable space for providers to hold, and likewise for clients to seek out. It’s special. The ideal client for me is one that takes his role as seriously as I do mine. By that I don’t mean to eschew moments of humor and levity, but for the client to savor what he is hiring, to do something for himself that makes a difference in his own life. Not just another orgasm, or relaxing moment, or a trite bit of entertainment, but something that truly adds value to his life, perhaps challenges him, makes him a better man, a more whole person, even in some small way. I may not always see it, and he may not tell me so directly, but I know what I do means a lot to my ideal client. I care, and he cares, and that’s what makes the work worthwhile.

Pretty much what Jamie said. The ideal client respects my time, and me as a person. He maintains good hygiene, and responds to signals of when it’s time to touch (if he wants to) and when it’s time to relax. He indicates that he is enjoying my work either verbally or non verbally. He returns for more sessions. He books the session length appropriate to his needs. My best clients refer others to me. I offer significant discounts for referrals because they are so rare and at the same time so much more valuable to me than anything else the client can do for my business. Tipping is unnecessary, but a plus. It motivates me to go above and beyond. Clients who book more regularly I prefer much more than a one and done with a nice tip. Likewise the ideal client makes an effort to book me in their city when I am there, or when they visit mine. Ideal clients I typically make some kind of spiritual connection with them, through the physical connection, but also through energy exchange and through conversation. Maybe that’s too woo-woo for many, but each client brings a certain energy to the table and I meet him where he is at. Ideal clients share themselves with me with honesty and vulnerability. Verbally and/or non verbally. I make myself emotionally available and present to invite that energy exchange to take place. So far I answered thinking of massage clients. I guess it’s somewhat different for escort sessions and combo sessions, but much of it is the same, especially the last bit about being yourself openly and honestly, being vulnerable and willing to connect on multiple levels, not just the physical. I have many great clients that primarily or only connect on a physical level, but my ideal clients connect on an emotional and spiritual level too. For some, seeing me is a release of physical-emotional blockages (because the two are connected), profound relief and relaxation, self-discovery, mental clarity or even reaching a heightened state of mind or awareness. Again, none of this is necessary to be a good client. I’m just thinking of my “ideal” clients, for whom seeing me really makes a significant difference in their lives. That difference manifests in so many different ways. It gives me purpose. Making a difference fulfills me in a way that money can’t.

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Escorting (and masseur work) is difficult, and not without great personal and professional sacrifices. It takes a special person and a rare combination of qualities to handle himself well and succeed. Very few people are willing and able to do it. Even fewer are good at it, and even fewer still will stick with it for any considerable length of time. Sure, you have quite a few duds flooding the market charging the same fees as experienced pros, and it’s frustrating having to weed through the bs. The pros are worth every cent of what they charge. Treasure them when you find them and don’t take them for granted. Treat them well and they will treat you well.

I love having long, hot showers with clients. Body scrub service can be therapeutic, refreshing, and quite steamy! Either as part of an escort session or an add on service after a massage.

I get this request from time to time. I entertain clients wanting to massage me and I do it for my hourly massage rate. I decline requests for me to do this for free, however. I am not volunteering for unskilled people to work on my body and - let’s be honest - most of them get tired or bored of the whole thing and give up after ten minutes or less anyway. Or they just want to jerk me off for free, which 1) is unpleasant for me 2) interferes with my ability to perform for clients, or 3) interferes with my personal sex life. This is not community service. Pay sex work rates for my cum, or at least pay massage rates for time to indulge your “touch a sexy masseur” fantasy (sans cum). When I get a massage, I prefer a skilled man going the entire time, so I hire a professional. Sometimes I trade massage time with other masseurs. Never has it crossed my mind to seek out a client to massage me.

Thanks @BigNoiseDallas . I see no harm in texting again within a day to see if he got the message. With no response in the following several hours after your follow up, I would assume he is not going to respond at all.

Love me some vacation porn. I’m pent up. Been years since I’ve been on a bona fide vacation. God willing I’m ready to shoot my wad in late 2025. Three seasons of White Lotus has me edging. That jiggling arm fat, and ensuing reaction was everything! There has to be some reason Valentin sent them there. Is it his commentary on the three women being past their prime? Is he steering them toward some plot they need to be desperate to agree to after such a disappointment? What a great butler arranging for male escorts in the form of his personal friends. This burn is so damn slow. It’s killing me.

You know, I should. I’ve only been doing this for trusted regulars as a complimentary value-added benefit to hiring me over the long haul. Yes, it takes more time and effort, but I make it up over time in the form of loyalty. Being the go-to guy clients trust to make their lives easier and more fun inspires trust. I open doors and they love me for it. Consistency and ongoing business is adequate compensation for me. Tips are a great way to show appreciation. I’m not sure I would do this type of work for a new client. He doesn’t understand the value yet, so putting a price on it may be too much of a barrier. I need to get to know him in person to get a feel for what would be right for him, and to develop trust. As an “agent” of sorts, I am making sure the client and the escorts are each reliable and compatible for one another. If I did offer coordination services to new clients, I would have to charge a bit extra for my time. Until I develop a much broader reputation for being a trustworthy connector, I wouldn’t put a public price on it like an hourly fee, fixed referral fee, percentage, or what have you. Clients are already wary of paying hundreds of dollars an hour for a man’s time. Paying more on top of that for a middle man could be too much of a barrier for new clients. They don’t really understand the value until they have already benefited from the service. Maybe this could grow into a new business opportunity over time. Then again, there is a reason talent agencies for this line of work largely no longer exist. I’ll have to keep thinking about it.

It’s just good manners.

I am so down. Y’all already know I do BDSM stuff. This is definitely not my first rodeo combing massage with the other side of my biz. I will entertain offers! Could always use another table to lend out to visiting masseurs. There are so many ways to milk. Sitting, standing, lying, bound, table, chair, pole, St. Andrew’s cross, suspended, machines, manual stimulation, etc. Some of these require less space or equipment, while others more. The dedicated table is on the “more” end. A massage table dedicated to milking with the special hole is so incredibly specific regarding how and in what position you milk, that it’s downright impractical. Think about it. Unless you’re frequently doing this on a table for men in a prone position (never supine), it makes little sense. Few people have the storage space to stow it, and the extra space to set it up. The vanilla client will at best be weirded out, perhaps confused, and at worst turned off seeing it thinking you don’t take your massage job seriously, that it’s purely just a sex thing. So yeah, few people would have one of these unless they are using it for a hyper specific scene and prefer to do that same scene frequently. Those of us who milk use more conventional, if not more flexible methods to save on space and keep it fresh not always milking in exactly the same way, in the same position, with the same equipment. But the milking table is certainly fun! I think of a milking table more as a film prop.

If the site has helped you, remember to give back the types of benefits you have received, like being generous and honest with your commentary and contributions. Be kind toward your fellow men. At times we have a few difficult people active here with some of the loudest, most attention grabbing voices. If you can see and hear past the clamor, by and large it’s a good group of folks with a lot of goodwill and experience to share. Much appreciation to the site operators, administrators, and moderators who generously volunteer a lot of their time to keep the site organized, safe, and running in a functional capacity. Much of the time this work goes unnoticed and taken for granted. Thanks also to those who contribute to the site operating fund.

As far as I know Damiano is not escorting. He only has a RentMasseur ad that I know of, which is currently expired. He is offering massage. He tells me he hasn’t escorted in many years until I asked him for the group. Teddy escorts, but the mixed commentary on CoM and elsewhere have motivated me to steer clear even though one of my clients expressed interest. Damiano told me Teddy is available to join for future sessions and I told my client but we landed on no Teddy. We’ll see, maybe next time. You’ll have to ask Damiano and Teddy about a dual session with the two of them. He offered it to me.

I’m open to this scenario! LA is doable for me, as I’m a hop skip and a jump away in San Diego. Is the idea for a multi-provider orgy, or hiring one provider and sharing him among x number of clients? What do you envision? I have a hard time imagining multiple clients who may or may not know one another well sharing. Maybe if it’s a voyeur scenario. Hmm. Most clients are too private by and large. Lots of other concerns keep this from happening. But hey if there’s enough interest, go for it! So often it’s clients wanting me to do the legwork of arranging for other providers to meet for a group including myself, the client (or client couple), and x number of other providers.

Here is a recent thread. I suggest merging, and maybe a retitle with parentheses (MuscleGingerXL). He uses coconut oil.

I’ve worked with a trans FTM provider in TX, and contacted several others on behalf of clients for a threesome but never met due to logistics/scheduling conflicts. They had reasonable rates, on par with cis providers in their respective markets. I was surprised they weren’t charging a premium because it can be so difficult to find a trans man offering services in many areas of the country. Los Angeles has more than most, but still not that many options. Only some providers responded to my inquiries, and all of those that did were promising. True, interest in trans masculine providers is niche, thus why you will see less traffic here on topics like this one, but quite a few members here are interested in a range of trans men nevertheless. I’m in that group. I enjoy play with trans men, for work and personal. As to the reviews, again, FTM providers are a small minority. Fewer clients are seeking them out. Some are newer providers and few or no reviews is par for the course for any newer provider. RentMen has created unnecessary barriers to writing reviews for all providers in recent years, which we’ve discussed ad nauseam elsewhere. You can’t be so picky with FTM providers. I’d say if you have an interest in one, just go for it. Barring any common red flags, try hiring the one you like. You may have to travel to his city or pay for him to visit yours. That’s just the reality of hiring any provider that falls within a minority that will not be well represented everywhere. It takes extra effort and/or cost to do that for the right provider for you, but it is what it is. Or hire one of the few available in your area and be willing to let go of some of your preferences, or get over his lack of public reviews. Just the nature of the beast.

You’re welcome @BeefyDude. We are not a monolith. Your providers fall on a spectrum of men providing a wide range of low to high quality services at a range of low to high rates. Some are providing the least they possibly can for the highest possible price, and sometimes even the opposite is true, where they really should be charging more. Most of us fall somewhere in the middle and finding that sweet spot is everyone’s goal on both sides of the equation. Here on the forums is a the perfect place to hash out the details and arrive at how we can be better providers and better clients. You should not shy away from speaking your mind or asking questions. It’s refreshing to hear the other side sometimes so you can appreciate where everyone is coming from and get better at hiring, and for me to get better at providing service. The dialogue helps everyone be better. ______________ Regarding amenities on the road, I believe I represent one of the more conscientious masseurs out there. Plenty of guys cheap it out by staying in undesirable accommodations or in undesirable areas, or fail to bring the appropriate equipment and supplies to offer a level of service worthy of their rate, much less an upcharge for travel. Some of the mistake here is that they FLY to other cities, meaning they can’t possibly bring all the “stuff” it takes to deliver a high quality massage experience. I only drive so that I can bring all of the following and more on the road: An extra wide (32”) high quality memory foam table with solid arm rest and large adjustable memory foam face cradle. The table is rated to hold at least three grown men without a problem. And believe me, I have put that to the test! 😉 Full size towel warmer, about the size of a medium standalone microwave. Mood lighting. Space heater. Duffle bag full of a variety toys, rope, gear, fisting lube, standard water based lube, silicone lube, poppers, condoms, etc. (I escort too) Several jumbo jars of organic oil. Essential oil spray I mix myself for the table. Bluetooth speaker for playing my music. Card reader for CC payments, chargers. Equipment cleaning supplies. Tons and tons of linens, towels, etc. For example, I use a standard pillowcase as a headrest covering, a waffle weave hand towel for the armrest, fitted sheet for the table and king size pillowcase for my extra large bolster pillow. Plus bath towels for my clients to shower, which are also my signature white waffle weave style that clients love. Laundry supplies including bleach, detergents, gloves, laundry bags/bins Cervical pillow for my bondage sessions There’s more to it but you get the picture. It’s a lot of “stuff”, and a lot of thought and care I put into providing a high quality traveling masseur experience. THOSE guys are worth their rates, and if they are good, worthy of tips too. They are going way out of their way to deliver quality to you in a city hundreds, perhaps thousands of miles away. Others step off the plane with little more than a suitcase, and pray for the best as they offer bed massages in a hotel double queen room and upcharge you for the privilege. There is a whole range. Recognize quality when you encounter it and appreciate the hell out of these guys. The others maybe aren’t worth your time, and you have every right to complain about high prices and low quality. But then put your good client hat on and pick the good guys. Ask the right questions to find them. And hire them! And if they exceed your expectations, tip them. Then we will be motivated to come back to your city again and again because it’s worthwhile for us to do so. Win-win.

Saxon wants Lochlan to embrace heterosexual norms to validate his own male privilege, identity, and sexuality. He also wants an ally in the family besides his dad who is in a superior position both at work and at home. Saxon wants a peer or perhaps a subordinate ally too, in Lochlan. Lochlan’s divided loyalty to his sister is in conflict with Saxon’s aim, as Piper and Saxon butt heads over sexual and power dynamics. At the same time, it’s as if Saxon is aware of, and using Lochlan’s m4m interest and curiosity to first draw in Lochlan’s attention and then redirect it toward women. It’s like he would rather risk a bait and switch than sit uncomfortably with his brother’s ambiguous identity. Like a Hail Mary move, so desperate it seems. What gets me is why Lochlan is directing his gender curiosity and sexual interests towards Saxon. Most people would be repulsed by the thought of sleeping with his siblings. Why is Lochlan so enamored? Are there not plenty of other, more preferable men into which he can lock his longing gaze? If nothing else, internet porn? Why the fixation specifically on Saxon?

Thank you @Jamie21 for making these important points. We have lots of overhead indeed. Tens of thousands per year, and if you travel any significant amount, additional tens of thousands per year on top of our fixed overhead costs at home. We work many more hours a week than the time when clients are actually on the table. Often well over a traditional 40 hr week. Yes, it’s flexible and on our own terms, but still we work just as long and hard as many other professions. We have no workplace protections, few rights, all the responsibilities and costs of being our own employer with none of the benefits. No 401(k) match, no life insurance, disability insurance, nada. We pay additional taxes to be our own employer by the way. I argue some of our biggest benefits are total flexibility over our schedule, how much we work, control over who we see and how much we charge. We can’t do physically intensive work as late into our career as someone working an office job. Our bodies wear down. We age. And if you’re an escort, there’s a prime window in your 20s and 30s to capitalize on and lots of men drop off in their 40s and 50s, either voluntarily or because they lack the volume of business they had in their younger years. Most don’t keep doing this work into their 60s or 70s like people in many other professions do. We have to capitalize on a higher income over a shorter career cycle and invest, and for many of us, keep working in other fields as we get older to supplement. Consider it front loading earlier in your career vs making a bit lower income over a longer but more sustainable time period and pace. Oh and costs rise over time, so whatever we make today buys less in the future. This is where a good investment strategy pays off, or at least preserves the buying power of that money over time. Health insurance in the US is big cost. I have a plan with my partner through our farm business. It’s not at all cheap, but the upside is we get to choose plans through a broker that fit our specific needs. Not just a single or few plan choices through an employer that doesn’t really cover what we need. Consider that as a significant part of your compensation through a traditional employer. Don’t forget taxes. We pay them. Digital payment processors like Venmo, Stripe, Square, and others send us 1099s. We have to pay taxes on those at a minimum, and a lot of us report all of our cash as well. If nothing else to prove income so we can qualify for loans and rent apartments. On the surface, it may seem to some of you like a path to easy street, but it’s not. We have many costs and fewer material benefits, almost no protections or safety net, and many demands on us to perform exceptionally well, look young and fit, provide a high quality environment and deliver “extras” for clients expecting them. @BeefyDude the numbers you quote most of us are only making a fraction of those, especially if you count all the expenses. We take high levels of risk, and we should be at least modestly rewarded, if not well rewarded for taking those risks that most other people are unable or unwilling to take. Some of us are charging at or below market rates to stay competitive, yet are providing a higher level of service in terms of massage quality, going over time, taking care with our facilities, equipment, and supplies, and indulging clients with extras. Tipping is one way to display your appreciation, to say “I value you, and I value your service”, to acknowledge that what your provider is offering is at least as valuable to you as what he is charging. If you don’t feel that the value of his service to you exceeds what he is charging for it, than by all means pay his rate, don’t tip, and move on. You’re not obligated. We want our clients to be satisfied and keep coming back. Some of you really appreciate the work but can’t afford to tip. That’s ok. Pay his rate. That’s all you are responsible for paying. Show your appreciation with loyalty, verbal affirmation, and respect. Also, non monetary forms of appreciation go as far, if not further than tipping: write a review, refer a friend, spread the word online, talk him up in your circles. Arguably these are all more valuable than anything you could tip. Your masseur will appreciate you, and you will feel good about coming back to see him. Not everything is as plain as “How much did this client tip?” So when your man is on point, providing a high level of service, professionalism, and value, you tip. Because that’s what you do, at least in American culture. You want to reward him for treating you well by treating him well. And when you can’t tip, support his business in other ways. You don’t tip in the context of independently practicing masseurs to make up the difference between an underpaid person and a living wage. For example, spa employee making only 30-40% of the fee, or a restaurant server making minimum wage and relying on tips to make (close to) a living wage. These are not at all the same situation. You tip because you want to show your appreciation, and to motivate your masseur to continue to provide you a high level of attention and service. All you are responsible for is his rate. So what if you don’t tip? I doubt your masseur will deliver crappy service the next time. If he’s professional, he will deliver good service. If you tip, he will be motivated to go above and beyond. If you’re happy with the status quo and meeting expectations, don’t tip. If you want above and beyond, pay above and beyond in the form of a tip.

Snoozefest so far through episodes 2&3. As predicted, it’s a slow burn, with lots of languid buildup and we’re almost halfway through already. That snake bite was the highlight of episodes 2 & 3. I can’t imagine Chelsea would be casually walking around going to dinner with little more than a bandaid so soon after the incident. Wouldn’t she feel sick, tired, in pain, vomiting, nauseated, or at least distressed? Maybe need some bed rest to recover? Cobra venom is serious stuff. She may manage to survive with swift medical attention, but not before the venom severely affects her nervous system, organ function, cardiovascular system, and breathing. What a nightmare. And what’s with the robber? Why is he smashing and grabbing gift shop jewelry? Seems like if you’re going to the trouble and risk, go for more valuable items, and more of them. We’re seeing more theme developments with the “snake choker thing” being “taken” or “released” (depending on one’s point of view) from its glass cage by an ominous madman, resulting in Chelsea’s near death. And yet she sticks by the snake in her life, Rick. He doesn’t care about her. He barely even likes her, yet she stays. How long will it take before he strikes her with a fatal bite?

I’m visiting Dallas offering massages most of July and again in October 2025. I’ll post my dates on the traveling providers forum once I finalize travel.