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It works best (at least for me) when the client hires me for a couple hours, at least one time, often multiple times before we have a strong mutual connection and trust to spend a whole day, an overnight, or longer together. I have had it work out for a first time longer term hire though, it just depends. These things are very specific to personality and chemistry connections, so it’s important you both get along well. He may have a rocking bod, but it only goes so far. After the second romp, you need more than a good looking man to keep it interesting, entertaining, and pleasurable. It pays to take your guys for a test drive before investing in a longer term experience. Then again, the best pros can connect with almost anyone for nearly any finite length of time, so you never know. Thorough research here and elsewhere makes a hell of a difference. Referrals are great too.

High SPF lotion for the face, spray for the body. You can reach your own back with the spray if necessary, but a companion helping you is more comfortable and accurate. Rub the back of your hands together with either lotion or spray to get that skin covered without greasing up the pads of your fingers and palms. That last trick works well for day to day moisturizing products. …and for those of you blonds, gingers, and others as pale as I am, reapply every hour, stick to the shade, wear a hat, sunglasses, and be extra careful about your exposure between 10am-2pm. …or simply stay indoors and take a sigh of relief!

^I’ve never seen Logan Skylark, but I have the same concerns. _________________________ For any questions on MuscleGingerXL, PM me. I’ll gladly take any intel on CalFurey or VegasBoy. Not sure I would describe any of these gents as a surfer or preppy type, but hey, whatever works for you.

You do you, @pubic_assistance. I’ll do me 😊

Thanks for the bris lol

Whether you like intact or circumcised, there is no need to call the other one gross or mutilated or less-than or ‘other’. It’s mean and unnecessary. It serves no purpose except to put others down. Same goes for kinks and fetishes. Everyone has a yum. Everyone has a yuk. There is no need to emphasize the yuk. Share what you DO like and celebrate those things. At the same time, I agree it’s fair to inquire as to what you are potentially paying for. Someone’s body should have features important to you since you’re paying for the privilege of access to said body. Quite all right to pass on a provider that doesn’t align with your range of ‘yums’. Remember, a lot of this is based on culture, traditions, and personal preferences. Circumcised men here in the US, by and large, did not choose to be circumcised. In the latter half of the 20th century, it was the default practice based on cultural norms, peer pressure, and claims about health benefits. Some of the claims have a basis in science, but many of them are exaggerated and a means to justify imposing personal preferences on others and society at large. Circumcision doesn’t excuse us from teaching our kids good hygiene habits and sex ed. There is no opt-out option for babies. We (society) imposed this on our newborns without their consent. Too bad if you don’t want an altered body as an adult. In my mind, baby circumcision is akin to piercings and tattoos without one’s consent. To Jews, it’s a sacred practice of expressing outwardly with one’s body that he is set apart and chosen. That’s beautiful, but it still decides something permanently for the kid without his consent, whether he wants to practice his family’s tradition or not. It kind of defeats the set-apart symbolism purpose when the vast majority of gentiles in a given place are circumcised.

@rojjodc Here is a snapshot showing travel location options. With the Gold membership tier, I can advertise in up to 6 cities at once, each for a maximum of 30 days, and the dates can be in sequence, but not overlap by more than one day ie Dallas in the morning of 3/16 and Austin in the evening of 3/16. With a basic membership, I can advertise up to 3 cities. Some of your providers will advertise in multiple cities, some will not. There is a time limit though, so they may not be re-listing after the time lapses. FYI, I only list in other cities I am for sure visiting for a specific length of time, with travel and accommodations booked before I even advertise. Not everyone is that way. It’s common for a provider to list a travel city with a date range to see what interest he can attract to help him decide if he wants to actually visit the city. This behavior is really annoying and frustrating for clients because it leads to a lot of wasted client time, but it’s a thing. Fortunately a lot of times these “tentative” trips lead to actual booked trips and you would never know the difference. The point is to avoid spending time and money traveling to a new destination and not getting any work and eat a net loss for that trip. Some of your guys may list nearby cities in the same way we can list “nearby travel” destinations on RentMen. Key difference here is RentMen allows you to list those nearby travel locations indefinitely, whereas RentMasseur designs their interface for masseurs actively traveling to other destinations and presumably staying there for one or more nights. The dates cannot overlap. You could basically make a bogus schedule in sequence to advertise in each nearby location. It doesn’t matter to RentMen if you’re listing 20 miles away or 2000 from your home city. Same setup. Some providers list nearby travel destinations in their ad text. Or they periodically list nearby locations in their travel schedule, only to refresh those with new dates after the 30 day time period expires for each one. RentMasseur does not charge for specific words or make us select search terms. They just give us space to write ad text. As long as we don’t violate the terms, we can write whatever we want. Your search function may be a matter of how your providers list themselves and what text they choose to feature in their ad. Spelling errors and typos affect hits in searches. A total “daddy” type may not describe himself using that word. Or maybe you view him as a daddy but he doesn’t self identify as a daddy. Or he just doesn’t feature the exact word in his ad text. RentMen is better at searching for type identifiers and identity terms like twink, bear, otter, daddy, leather, drag queen, trans, etc. The provider would need to select those terms to be featured on their profile, regardless of how closely they fit the term. They could identify as one type or another, but it won’t pop up unless they select the term from a drop down menu.

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Can anyone recommend a FTM provider in or near the San Diego area? Maybe someone that isn’t in the usual places to look? I am hoping to find a local pro to minimize travel and overall cost. RentMen only has two in SD, which I have contacted. OC only has one, which is already one of the other two listed in SD. In PS there are none, except for one traveler who won’t be there on the right date. The Los Angeles pool I figure is a better bet. I found a few more options, of which I have contacted some, but I fear the cost may be prohibitive for anyone based in LA, much less for outcall service to SD. That could be a non-starter. Also, scarcity of FTM providers may naturally command higher rates. All just assumptions on my part. I’m getting some referrals from FTM providers in the LA area who weren’t available on the date I needed. Hopefully those will lead to a match. If anyone has a recommendation closer to SD, I would appreciate it.

I have at least 5 different ads, plus my website, plus a couple of profiles on apps. If I listed them all, my signature would be unbearably long and convoluted. I list my website and my most popular ad here, which is plenty, I think. Massage therapists advertising exclusively on MF are way more likely to be therapeutic only. Some, like me, advertise the whole gamut of services elsewhere. A few of the therapeutic only guys on MF treat it like paid Grindr where they only go further with a select cadre of clients they are into. I don’t. I match the service to what the client wants. Sometimes they find me on MF and request full service, and some of my RM clients just come for basic service. Or visa versa. Just depends on the client moreso than the platform. MasseurFinder is a racket. $105/mo and it yields poor return on investment, but a few good, high quality clients. RentMasseur is the opposite, $40/mo and an excellent ROI. I get a range of clients from each, plus more from all the other ads. In aggregate, all the platforms are worth it to me. I get all kinds of requests from all of my ads. Erotic from RM, therapeutic from MF, and the opposite. Oftentimes I don’t know how a client found me unless I go out of my way to ask, or they mention a special that I advertise on only one ad. Oftentimes the client is uncomfortable asking for what they really want. I do it all, from full service escort work to clothed, professional therapeutic only massage. Most of my clients fall on a spectrum in between those two ends. I’ve yet to have a complaint about me answering the door naked. Very few are wanting the prudish end of the spectrum, but I have great therapeutic skills, and my clients find value in that aspect and keep coming back to enjoy the value-added erotic aspects. I deliver whatever my clients need. I just wish more would be upfront about their wants and needs. My base massage rates include erotic elements (if the client wants them) for the same price as a strictly therapeutic massage. Not everyone on MF is this way. I would expect it to be more universal on RM, but it’s not always the case either. I think of my service as a value-added proposition. Clients who want much more than massage can hire me for that. All they have to do is ask, and I’ll quote it. The benefit with me is you get an excellent massage no matter what. Unless you just want escort services, which is fine too!

I didn’t dig much deeper with Tal, but the way I interpret the TV channel app numbers is # of users who use the app and could potentially be served an ad at some point. It’s unrealistic for millions of users to have seen at least one ad for this small niche website. TV spots cost a lot more than what he’s spending. Even local TV channels cost quite a bit and they wouldn’t even be targeted. It is easier to target ads on apps though. The impressions number looks more realistic to me, and I am assuming most or all of the impressions are from webpage ads or popping up in search results, things like that. Only a small fraction of impressions generate click-throughs, and a small fraction of those generate any leads, much less bookings. There is no way to tell how many clients the featured service providers are getting from the site unless each one independently asked their clients to disclose where they saw their ad and reported that in a consistent way to Tal. It would have to be like a required survey to mean anything. Nobody is going to do that. I have enough trouble getting a first name from some clients, much less details about how they found me. Tal, unsurprisingly, couldn’t provide any data on his featured providers’ bookings originating from the new site.

Welcome to the forum @jackdallas. In this little corner of cyberspace, the deposits topic is akin to religion and politics. We don’t talk about it unless you want an endless, divisive pointless argument. Each side will die on hill. Nobody is changing their mind from what they already think. At best, we agree to disagree and have pizza. At worst, personal attacks prompt moderators to close the topic. Others have pointed you in the right direction. Look there. If @56harrisond had a nickel for every time he graciously took time to search for and post relevant links…he could hire to his heart’s content for decades. Thank you! Start or participate in deposits debates (battles? martyr spectacles? shit shows?) at your own risk!

^Yes, this is among my chief concerns. He’s advertising on TV apps (see his capture below) and trying to leverage some SEO. I thought the point is that you don’t have commercials on most of these apps, but the free ones you would still have ads. SEO I think would be more effective, but I’m no marketing guru. Considering how specific the product is, I wonder how he would get it to the right people…which leads me to believe his strategy relies on creepy stealth marketing data bought and sold by small and large corporations alike. I know some of you here place a high premium on privacy and discretion, so I imagine some would be upset seeing a targeted ad for gay massage on your tv apps just because of the content you view or the products you buy in your daily life. I know the over abundance of personal data floating around bothers me sometimes. I asked about impressions, click throughs and similar data, and he shared these numbers:

Not true for me. Maybe with new clients moreso, but even then most of mine show up.

Here is a look at the availability feature for your reference (below). I only use the one hour availability option because that’s actually realistic, and it matches all the other platforms I use that have availability functions in maximum 1-hr format…so my availability displays consistently across platforms +/- a couple mins. Sometimes I flag myself available for an hour and I get a text 10 mins later requesting an appointment to start within the next hour. Unless I actively change it back, it will list me as available for the rest of the hour, which technically I am…available to respond promptly to inquiries. Sometimes available “now” for a massage as well. In this scenario, it depends if you are the client contacting me in the first 10 mins after I flag or the last 50 mins. It can change within the hour, but it looks the same to the client. Also, I am not necessarily tethered to the studio. I may be heading to the gym or running an errand, and turn around if I get a client, or in the middle of a workout and have to tell the client I can start you at X time, factoring in wrapping up, showering, driving, and any last minute setup. “Online” now (green) means logged in currently or very recently, whether actively looking at the screen or not. This may have nothing to do with whether I can take a client “now” or not. I might ironically be responding to a RentMasseur massage saying I am NOT available now, but here is my next availability x, y, and z. Some of you seeing “available now” 24/7 may be seeing a guy selecting 6 hours at a time! Which IMHO is unrealistic at best.

Thanks for laying out your thought process. Too many expect 100% of their needs to be met for the $200 range, but too often that’s unrealistic. At least you have a sense of what you value and are willing to pay for the higher value items (to you) accordingly. Curious: what would satisfy the 90%+ range for you? What about 100%?

Tal Sharone launched a new site (link below) to promote various spa, massage, skincare, barber, esthetician and other service providers. He keeps hounding me to join and pay subscription fees for ad space but I can’t see the value yet. It’s pretty small right now, and for the moment only local to San Diego, LA, and Palm Springs. Wondering what clients think. If a similar site covered your local area, would you use something like this to find your m4m service providers for massage, waxing, and the like? Men’s Massage therapist in San Diego - All For Men ALLFORMEN.COM Experience top-notch men's Bodywork and Personal Trainers in San Diego at All For Men. Elevate...

I’ve had all of the above. Fantasy seekers, role players, and genuine virgins. Lots of men have seen me later in life for a safe space to have their first time. Once in a while a younger guy sees me for his first time. Some say so before the meeting, some say after they arrive. Sometimes they only tell me after the fact.

I hope to update and add info when the new review site goes live. I anticipate more fields to fill in, including location. My home base is San Diego.

@Casual I know of many providers on the site. Only a small fraction post or participate with any regularity. Of those, some come and go, deciding to delete their account or just not log in for months. The majority of us are either unaware of the site (most) or choose not to engage with it. Their loss, but at the same time admittedly it takes a lot of time and energy to make our presence here worthwhile. From time to time I alert providers I know of comments and they can choose to ignore or engage with the content. Some guys are hopeless when it comes to tact and understanding how to leverage the platform. Some of the long time active provider members here really get the value of investing our time in the platform and stick with an engagement strategy for the long haul. I first discovered the forums when I was searching myself testing for other marketing purposes and came across some chatter about me when I was working in Dallas. Since then, I came to realize this is actually a really good business development tool. Many CoM clients have seen me in part due to my engagement here…and they love my work! Several topics have come up in the forums re: sites to review clients. My short answer is no, it’s not a thing, at least not as extensive and widespread as it is for reviews of masseurs and providers. It would not behoove us providers to share about it if we did have such a thing. For others who come across this blurb, I realize it may be kind of weird to post here when the provider can see it and even respond. Positive comments are welcome, but I invite even negative comments about me because it challenges me to improve my business and how I deliver service. It keeps me honest and to own my mistakes and apologize for them and make things right. It also gives me a chance to clarify anything stated that was factually incorrect. Opinions are a different matter. When someone doesn’t like my style, my look, how I handled something, or have some other opinion, oh well. It’s not personal, and I can take that criticism with maturity and respect. I won’t try to get it taken down or anything like that. A good provider can stand on his overall reputation and take a few hits here and there without suffering very much loss. I can’t please everyone 100% of the time, and I have no illusions of doing so, but I know I do a great job and my clients are happy with me. Some of my Texas clients still visit me in California, and many of the others text me asking when I will be coming back. I know I’m not perfect, but with signs of loyalty like this, I know I’m doing something right. Cheers to finding me. May the best providers find their place here too and make the most of it.

Thanks for sharing your insight @Casual. I’ll have to try Chen. I appreciate really good therapeutic work.

Ditto.

I love my multi-hour client sessions. One client does all my services: body trimming, massage, body scrub, long massage, two hours of playtime, and a couple hours for dinner afterwards. Other clients hire multiple men through me for a combination of massage and playtime. I set it up based on client needs and provider skills. They tap in and tap out over a few hours, or all join in for one or two hours depending on what the client wants. Then I have my traditional escort clients who like me to accompany them for an afternoon of swimming or having a meal or drinks, or going out dancing, or join them for a dressy event like a benefit or a casual thing like a sports event. Beach, bathhouse, touristy things, shopping together, etc. You name it. Combine any or all of those ideas with playtime, massage, meals, breaks, or whatever and you can easily fill hours or even days. Your imagination and budget are your only limits!

Update on Michael. He’s moving to Silver Lake, Los Angeles area in the next couple months or so. He still has his full time hospital job that limits his schedule, but he should have more capacity than he currently does now - at least for a while until he builds up more regulars there. Great news for LA folks: here’s another nice, good natured, and experienced man to try. Bummer to lose him here, but I am honored that he’s referring his SD clients to me. Catch him in San Diego while you still can, during March 2024.

A baker forgot to add yeast to his bread dough. It was a whole new loaf for him.