Simon Suraci

Speaking only for myself here. Others charge less or more and that’s fine. I don’t claim to represent an average. These whole day hires described above are less common but I love these and a handful of clients hire me for a whole day from time to time. I charge $1,500 for about 12 hours during the day, ending by/before midnight. That would be comparable to a 12 hr overnight if I charged closer to market for overnights, but I charge a premium $2k for those. When the client hires me for a longer stretch, say a few days or a week, I would charge less per day - works out to something between 1285 and 2000 per day depending on how many total days he hires me. More expensive per day to hire 3 days, less expensive per day to hire for 7. I haven’t done any two week or longer hires yet, but I will revisit pricing to give the client a break on that when the time comes. Maybe that day will never come, and honestly I am quite ok with that.

I intentionally overprice my overnights at $2k because I really don’t like doing them. It has to be worth my while to put aside the high value I place on quality restful sleep and time to myself at night to regroup emotionally and mentally. If I were trying to get clients to book me more frequently for overnights, I might price somewhere more in the neighborhood of $1,500 for roughly twelve hours of my time, maybe a little more time including an earlier evening activity like dinner or a date, depending on what the client wants. The client wanting an overnight often wants to have sex multiple times all night (which is fine), or otherwise wake me up a lot and I basically don’t sleep much if at all, definitely not anything restful. Plus the client snores, and I snore. It’s annoying for everyone involved. Then morning sex. Again, that’s fine, but it’s a whole production if I need to bottom in the morning. Topping again after having cum multiple times in the past few hours, it’s more difficult to perform at my best. Also, I am not looking or feeling my best until I shower in the morning, so that has to happen as soon as I wake up. I get pretty crabby otherwise. The level of effort to be “on” and perform for overnights is high, so I charge dearly for it. I would be more open to negotiating a lower rate if the client had a suite with a separate place to sleep. By sleep I mean actual sleep. The playtime can still happen in the client’s bed, and cuddles and all the rest, but the actual sleeping part is way better when I have some acoustical and physical separation. Plus negotiate based on expectations. For example, is this an all night fuck festival, or are we going to sleep by 2am? Things like that. TBH I don’t see as much value in overnights. I think you get a much better value hiring me for 5 hours before midnight for $1k. But that’s just me.

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Whew! I replaced my boiled phone back in San Diego and all is well again. Too much client texting, I guess. Bitches be calling, all the time… Wow, just wow. I had a great time. This was the first of what I expect to be many fun and fruitful annual visits. Thank you @David-SF and @Oliver for hosting a lovely series of events. Well done! And thank you to the half dozen or so Company of Men members who hired me for various services over the weekend (even a repeat 😍), plus another member in San Diego Monday night after I got back. You know who you are and I sincerely appreciate your business! Newell, my 4-hand massage partner was nervous to meet everyone but said he enjoyed himself at the dinner. He’s not so intimidating in person despite his size. He’s a sweet guy. @sam.fitzpatrick thanks for going out of your way to make Newell and I feel so welcome at the events. @purplekow thanks for helping apply sunscreen to all those hard-to-reach places on my body 😉 @mike carey I had no idea you can play card games with more than 4 suits. Learn something new every day. I’ll have to practice so I can play a round with you next year. And thank you for sharing the “Karen is a C*nt” comment from the forums. That was laugh out loud funny. For those of you like me who didn’t know until now: cookies = feet. Eating cookies means licking toes, playing with feet, etc. I was out of the loop on that one. That’s the reference to cookie crumbs. @BodeBrentwood thank you for sharing your beautiful self and your cookies with the world, among other assets. It was a pleasure having you around the pool. You were a delightful and entertaining centerpiece to all of the goings-on in the hot tub. Thanks kindly for trying to lead me to an exit 😂 when I was carrying a massage table late night across the InnDulge courtyard to a client’s room. I know I must have looked out of place, dazed and confused scanning the room numbers to figure out where I was going. I won’t even mention Louie’s wild adventures, disappearance into the California desert, and eventual mysterious return. Too late. Thanks @Summerson for generously offering them space to stay in your room. That hot tub at InnDulge is the place to be! Several other hotel guests booked me there who had nothing to do with CoM. I love a hot tub soak. Can’t wait to chat more there next year. Other providers take note: the trip pays for itself if you just hang around the hot tub. I encourage more providers to visit next year. Consider this trip business development for us working men 🤣 just don’t risk writing it off on your taxes as such. Kudos to Danny for helping @purplekowin and out of the pools and staying dedicated by his side always. What a class act! We miss your delightful presence here on the forums 😢 but I understand it can be toxic in some corners at times, so I don’t blame you for leaving. Clients encourage us to come to these events but it is quite expensive and we’re not exactly on vacation when we attend. We need more clients to come and support us at these things to make it worthwhile for every provider putting down serious time and money to make a several day visit (excepting those fortunate few who were dedicated hires for the whole weekend/week). We need more of you clients to join us next year. I’m not complaining - I did well and this trip was totally worth it for me, in the short run and longer term - but I can see it make sense for more of us providers to attend if more clients were attending and spreading the wealth, so to speak. At the dinner, for example, we had 40 some odd people, including providers. We could easily make space for a lot more members there to support the 8-12 or so providers who attended, and more beyond that with enough critical mass. Just saying… Y’all come next year if you never have or haven’t in a while. It’s a lot of fun 🤩 Cheers! 🥂 -Simon

@BigTom This little corner of the internet may not be for you then. Other sections of the site may appeal to you should discussions of men for hire and related topics not be to your liking. Talk sports, finance, literature, health, travel… whatever. The core site user base is men interested in hiring men, and this is by design. Also, using the word “prostitute” in 2024 reflects more poorly on the person using it than the person to whom they are referring. “sex worker” is the appropriate term for this century.

I dropped my phone in the InnDulge hot tub last night. It was submerged for a few seconds and the touch screen now isn’t working. Fingers crossed it dries out and returns to normal. In case anyone is texting me I am not ingoring you. I can’t respond now, but will get back once my phone is working again.

Nothing wrong with booking ahead, but I agree it’s wise to check in a day or two before your appointment to confirm, and maybe even the day-of. I’m organized so I don’t need this, but I appreciate clients who check in. It shows me they are serious about following through. It takes almost no time to confirm. When you book a session with me, you can count on me to show up and be ready. The rare case I have an issue I will reach out to the client to delay, reschedule, or cancel. Those are exceptions, not the rule. Like when my Airbnb host made me vacate partway through a weeklong stay (another story).

Advance notice really depends on the provider. What are their booking preferences? Many list that on their profile, like same day only or whatnot. Are they a popular fans site model? Lots of travel, and engagements? Are they trans, have a rare or unique attribute, porn famous, or otherwise some flavor of low supply / high demand? If yes to any of these, you have much better chances booking several weeks in advance, maybe more. For your typical run of the mill provider who isn’t any of the above, a few days to a week is just perfect. Same day is a total crapshoot.

100% agree

You might try exchanging phone numbers, or give him yours. Unless he is being monitored by a pimp or trafficking org, you could work something out by text on Google translate. I don’t know who is being trafficked and who isn’t, but I think it’s reasonable to assume this guy is either best case underpaid or worst case trafficked, especially in light of the costs of living in NYC. If you keep seeing him at the spa, consider tipping him generously in the room so the tip doesn’t make its way to a potential trafficker’s pocket, and leave another small tip at the front so they are not suspecting funny business. Say you spend $150 total. That’s low for 90 mins in NYC with extras you like. You’re still getting a deal. You could spend $200 and not be crazy for doing so. More than that will get you into private erotic masseur territory, so maybe not bother with the Asian spa at that point. Something between $150 and $200? What do others think?

Depends what you’re using it for and what your partner prefers. For toys, water based is best, especially for silicone items. Some bottoms prefer the feel of one type or another. For bareback sex, I prefer silicone lube. It lasts longer without drying out or feeling sticky or tacky like most water based types. I also prefer the feel. Water based is a slip and slide that makes it a less tactile skin to skin feeling. It’s like you’re feeling more of a thick layer of goop between you and your partner and one or both of you feel like a slippery water balloon. Silicone is thin and makes me feel closer to my partner, like I can feel the subtle textures and warmth and the good kind of slight friction that makes everything much more enjoyable. Plus less reapplying. Also works well in and around water. Shower sex anyone? It also works well with condoms. Some disadvantages of silicone are cost, incompatibility with silicone toys (silicone breaks down silicone), and supposedly more difficulty cleaning sheets and fabrics. I’ve never had a problem cleaning fabrics using high quality silicone lubes. It takes more attention to clean it off your body after sex, but that’s precisely one of the key advantages of it during sex. My next favorite for bareback is 100% cold pressed coconut oil. It’s solid at room temperature, under 78 degrees F. Then it melts almost immediately on contact with skin. Do not use natural oils or oil based lubes with standard condoms or silicone toys. It breaks down latex and silicone. Coconut oil is a great versatile lube equally suited for massage and bb sex, which can make for a more seamless experience when doing both of the two in a session. Some bottoms prefer water based. The advantages are that it’s the most washable, easy to clean lube type. Also it’s versatile. Works with toys of all kinds and with condoms, and bb. Not great in wet (water) environments for obvious reasons. It’s cheap. It’s readily available. Fisting lube is special and you pay a premium for it. You need something thicker designed for fisting activities, like Elbow Grease. It’s messy but appropriate. Not always readily available in your sex shop. Reputable gay owned sex shops should have at least one or two brands in stock. Or order it online.

^Not for your typical Asian spa place. They are inexpensive to begin with and on top of that, the individual guys working on you are making only a fraction of the fee. Compare their work and fees to an independent masseur in the same area. NYC is expensive for either avenue spa vs independent when compared to most of the country. If the spa charges you less than $100 for an hour of massage AND you’re getting gratuitous extras, I’d say 40% is still a very modest tip. Consider tipping more. What is appropriate depends on what the spa is charging in the first place. A low starting fee absolutely justifies heavy tipping, and the Asian massage places typically charge under market for comparable services. This is also a reason to be wary, since some of them rely on human trafficking labor and that is why they can charge so little. A high starting fee is a different story. Some spas are only paying their employees 40% of the fee, but it varies. Consider that when you tip too. Another option is to offer to hire the guy you like privately off the spa clock. You’re not supposed to, but this happens all the time and the spa is none the wiser. @asiantwunktop what is the spa charging you for their services? For example, a 60 min massage?

^I do the same when I see clients around because you never know if the client wants to maintain discretion regarding how they know you. Maybe he is with a spouse that doesn’t know. Or perhaps they simply do not want to engage outside the context of a session. For these reasons, it’s up to the client to approach me. I’m not ignoring or avoiding the client. I’m giving them the option to maintain their discretion. When they engage with me, I reciprocate. ^I suggest the same approach as above. You respect their boundaries and hopefully they do the same. Maybe acknowledge them with a nod or something. Otherwise leave them alone unless they make it clear they want to engage with you. You both know why you are there. Let him be.

Some clients are completely oblivious. I even wipe some of them, without saying anything. They still show up in similar condition the next time. I don’t do any butt play when that’s the case. Until they start complaining about a lack of attention down there, I see no need to make a big deal of it. I am embarrassed FOR them, but I know they are just completely out of touch with their bodies and how these things work. If they DO communicate they want attention there, I will bring it up.

Makes me think about Six Feet Under, where every episode you have a death at the beginning and it plays into the ongoing story. How entertaining would it be to have a show about hookers where you start each episode with a scene involving a new John? HBO style with gratuitous nudity (or not, entertaining either way). It would be fictional of course, just like writing a book, if not for the legal and privacy reasons, then for narrative cohesiveness and creative reasons. All you need are a few well developed characters, some story arc trajectories and the script practically writes itself.

To your point, every provider is different. Some prefer same day only because clients are less likely to flake. I don’t find this to be true. Booking same day is a gamble. When he’s with a client, he can’t respond promptly, and maybe he can’t take a second or third client that same day anyway. A few days notice should be fine for most. It gives time for the provider to finish with a client or whatever they are doing and get back to you same day or usually within 24 hrs. We have to plan our days to be realistic. Maybe two appointments per day spread out between morning and evening. It depends on what you need and how your guy works.

A few things to keep that in mind: RentMen gives us very limited space to write. Only a few sentences at best. Other platforms do not allow explicit profile text, at least in the US. Regarding kinks, we can’t list everything in exhaustive detail. Firstly because space won’t permit, and secondly because clients yuk our yums all the time and won’t hire us because of it. A particular kink we offer will have nothing to do with a certain client’s session, but because the client saw we offer it for others, they pass on us. I know because these client attitudes are pervasive here on the forums. It’s best to ask the provider directly about the kinks YOU are interested in and see if they are a match. Phone is great, but please be willing to schedule a call. We are not able to take random explicit phone calls at the drop of a hat. Also, my calls go straight to VM until I have a client contact entered on my phone for it to ring through. I have to do that because I am bombarded with spam and scam on the daily. I am a small business. I have no secretary to screen my calls, and limited time to take them.

This is my opinion here, not speaking for anyone else: Mutual physical attraction is not a prerequisite to good chemistry. I’ve had excellent chemistry with conventionally unattractive men, and zero (if not negative) chemistry with conventionally attractive 10s. Also the reverse, and everything inbetween. We are more than our bodies and our looks. There is something spiritual and special about intimate contact with another human being that transcends the way we look. Good chemistry flows from that connection. Feel free @pubic_assistance to disagree and I will agree to disagree. I am familiar with how strongly physical attraction factors into your hiring experience, and that’s fine for you. This is my perspective in light of my experience, without regard to how others see things. Physical attraction certainly can help fuel chemistry, but it’s not the end-all-be-all.

Bump. Any recent experience? I’m more interested in his massage skills than speculation about his age.

I do fewer long term hires, so I would weigh other client and provider responses more heavily. Here is how I structure my fees: Escort Service $1k (5) hours before midnight $2k overnight service, 12 hrs +/- $5k weekend / two days $1k per additional day $9k per week Any necessary travel costs are reimbursable to me such as flights, long term parking, etc. The client pays for meals, entertainment, etc. I do long term hires with clients I have seen before. I avoid booking long term hires with new clients, or otherwise require a deposit. I stand to lose a lot of short term business should the new client flake or cancel last minute.

In San Diego a lot of clients cancel or avoid booking on rainy days. A raindrop falls out of the sky and the local news starts issuing flash food warnings. It’s crazy how sensitive people here are to weather. They lose their minds on the roads too. My best clients show up rain or shine. I do too.

Good bed massages are possible, but most of the guys offering bed massages do not give good massage services. It’s difficult to do so on a bed. More often the bed massage approach is really more of an escort type session. It varies. A table is a sign of professionalism, being intentional, and taking their work seriously. I personally would stick to guys who bring and work on their own tables. As for the parking, tough tits. The masseur made the decision to stay in that hotel or that neighborhood. He either isn’t thinking about client convenience when making lodging decisions, or he just doesn’t care. You might infer his attitude and approach extends to his service. If you’re on the fence, I would pass since the chances of him disappointing you are so high at this point. - OR if he’s really hot to you, consider hiring him for true escort services instead of (or in addition to) massage. Assuming he offers escort service. Yes it’s more money, but the value to you may be much higher and your expectations won’t be shattered when you discover he’s only mediocre at massage. At least you’re still going to have a great time. You can get a great massage from a skilled, if perhaps less attractive, man for a reasonable price any time. I lived in an historic high rise downtown building in Dallas and occasionally clients had to pay for parking, maybe up to $10. Most of the time they could use the two hour free guest lot on the premises. The few exceptions applied for longer appointments, certain times, or the client preferred the paid lot for security. It made sense for me because my day job was walking distance away and my clients were seeing me traveling dozens of miles in every direction. Being central meant that none of them had to drive a long ways across to the other side of the metro area. Some complained about the parking, even here on the forums. Oh well. If that’s the worst they had to say, I am doing pretty good. Since then I have taken the feedback and let it inform my choices. I have been very intentional about my studio location. It’s on a residential street in a nice safe neighborhood with ample free parking right in front. It’s new construction. The area is central to my new metro with convenient freeway access. Lots of shopping and restaurants within walking distance too. I pay a significant premium for all these things. The client never pays for parking, never has to walk far along a low traffic street. ATMs from every major bank are a block or two away. Even a gay owned pub and whiskey bar is a block away for clients to enjoy before or after. It’s all by design, to be convenient for the client. When I travel, I look for the same types of things, with client convenience in mind. I pay a premium for it too. Keep that in mind when you book traveling masseurs. The nicer the experience they provide regarding location, often the more they are paying out of their pocket to visit your city. You want quality. Be willing to pay for quality, too. A so-so bed massage you pay $200 plus parking for is not the same as a pro massage from a good provider renting a house in a nice neighborhood with space for you to park for free and for him to set up a large table, towel warmer, etc. I argue those things are worth the $200 sticker price, assuming he does good work. I don’t even charge that much myself. I charge my regular rates when I travel. Currently $150/hr. I stay booked and fill cancellations quickly because my value proposition is high and my cost is low. It’s easy to tip my services, and most do because you aren’t paying top of the budget prices to begin with. It feels better to me when a client willingly pays more to show their appreciation and support of my work. Better for him, better for me! Please do tell us what you decide and how it goes.

I work hard to retain my clients. I learn what they like and lean into it. I find my long term client appointments keep getting better and better, both for massage and ‘more’. Some of them transition from the former to the latter, or some combination. The relationship and quality of interaction tends to build up over time rather than erode. I value my clients. Anyone that felt I shorted them on time I would like to hear directly about it so that I can make it right. I go the whole time, and often a little over. If your guy gaslights or dismisses you when you bring up the time shorting issue, it’s time to move on. This is an expensive service. You’re paying a premium. You deserve quality service for the whole time you booked. Period. Repeat business is the best and easiest business. It pays to be diligent in providing the full time (quantity) but also quality time matters. Guys that don’t understand this concept baffle me! ^This is only true if we were paid like a full time employees billing something like 2080 hours per year. Our profession doesn’t work that way. Our booked (and therefore compensated) hours represent a fraction of full time, perhaps 20-30 hours per week. It’s possible, but unusual for a masseur to be booked more than 40 hours per week. At a bare minimum, I have 30 min gaps between back-to-back clients and that prevents me from booking 40+ hours per week, even when every day is 100% booked in a given week. For some of us with other jobs, we may only book 10-15 hours a week. You better believe we spend 10-20 hours (or more) per week on all the UNPAID (yet necessary) parts of the job like responding to endless inquiries at all hours of the day/night, many of which never lead to a completed appointment. Marketing, client follow up, cleaning, laundry, shopping, continuing education, prep work, personal care, gym (if you count that), client development, outcall transportation to/from clients (including traffic and being early to always arrive on time), equipment setup/takedown, restocking supplies, clients flaking last minute or no-shows, etc…. all take gobs of time. We are compensated a high rate for the time clients actually book and show up for, NOT for all the other work we do. So cut that $300,000+ “salary” down accordingly. The rates you pay us factor all that extra work in. Some weeks or months are slow. Some days we have no work because of bad weather and clients flake. Other times we travel and have back to back work all day. It varies.

Depends. Are you in high places? Or low? Blame it all on my roots…