Simon Suraci

3hr max response time under any circumstances is unrealistic. Give it a day.

RentMasseur He’s block happy, but in the opposite direction than usual. Blocks you if you’re not available to give him a massage when he asks for one. Super weird. Any experience with Pete?

@moonlight It depends on your relationship. How close were you to him in the past? A casual acquaintance, friend-of-a-friend, or someone you barely knew, or someone you haven’t seen in many years? I personally would have no problem seeing someone like this as a client. Anyone particularly close to me in the past or present I would not see. My estranged best friend, for example, I would definitely not see. People in my acquaintance zone over the years would have to number in the thousands. A lot of them I would see if they wanted, of course respecting their discretion, and expecting the same from them toward me. One of my clients (70s) told me he saw a family friend’s son (40s) advertising on RentMen. He knew the guy as a child and their families did a lot together. The provider’s parents and family don’t know he escorts. After coming across the RentMen ad, the client asked the parents some casual questions about the provider, how he’s doing, what work he is doing, etc. The parents clearly believe their son is doing some other kind of work, and that’s something the client should respect and not meddle in. The client is attracted to the provider and considered for a moment hiring him but the previous relationship made it too weird. This is one case where I would agree. It’s too weird. Everyone is a case-by-case though. Privacy goes both ways. Professional providers will not violate your privacy and you are not violating his by hiring him. Avoid speaking about it in your mutual circles. Should he be uncomfortable for any reason, he can choose to say no. We’re all adults here. I would at least give him the courtesy of telling him who you are ahead of time, though so he can make that decision for himself. Being open and honest up front saves you both the respective indignities of being caught off guard in the moment, and having to be let down face to face in such a personal, raw way. He won’t ‘out’ you as a man that hires, or a man into men. Really, he has at least as much to lose by mentioning anything to mutual contacts. If he’s a professional, he will keep quiet about the whole thing, whether he chooses to see you or not. Do you interact with him now? Would you want to interact with him in the future outside the context of hiring him? If the answer is yes, tread lightly. There’s a lot more at stake. If the answer is no, I see very little for you to lose. The worst thing that would happen is he says no, and that’s that. Nothing is really any different than it was before. You have something to gain, however, if he says yes, and so does he. No harm, no foul. Most people are decent and good. I would expect no harm to befall you for asking. Show respect. Maintain healthy boundaries. All will be well.

In the United States, the term ‘mulato’ is racist and offensive. Full stop. Any cursory google search will confirm.

https://rent.men/Elioknightxxx One of my clients requested Elio for a threesome during his travel dates to our city. I reached out on the client’s behalf. I texted both his phone numbers. One of them is WhatsApp, which I don’t use. After no response for a few days I tried messaging him on RentMen. Same thing, days later and no response. I sent him a link to my ad for reference with my first message. I see he viewed my RentMen profile so he definitely got the message. He just chose not to respond. Hope you all have better luck with communicating with him. He just ignored me after multiple attempts. 😔 If anyone sees him, please share. Expired thread for reference. He’s on RentMasseur too.

Clients, show us, then. Take that cake!

Damian takes the cakes. And displays them mightily.

I got the email too. This is not about RentMasseur responding to client confusion over sensual vs erotic services. It’s certainly a real concern and many of you have hit the nail on the head saying there is no standard regarding sensual or erotic. Fine. That’s the official story. This is sadly just one symptom of many, like Visa blacklisting adult businesses, and PornHub responding to crazy new laws requiring adults to fork over their privacy to view adult content by no longer offering access in those states. The real problem is how people in the United States publicly treat sex work. Plenty of us privately respect and enjoy it, but publicly decry its very existence. We will only see more of this behavior until the majority of our society supports policies that acknowledge sex work as work and sex workers as dignified members of society with the right to offer services to meet the most basic and universal of human needs. Also, human trafficking is not synonymous with all sex work, as many argue and believe. If we were safe enough to be more open about sex work services, it would be a lot easier to identify and prosecute human trafficking.

The problem with this question is that the OP expects a valuable service above and beyond a massage for free. ANY time of day works just fine when you’re offering to pay your provider’s rate for the service you want. Expecting him to give you what others will gladly pay appropriate rates for is a recipe for disappointment. Find out what it takes to be his priority and agree to it. Is it a generous tip? A specific rate? That way you get to be the one he’s saving it for that day. Let some other moe be the disappointed one begging for freebies. Your provider turns him down in order to honor you by making sure he can optimally perform for you, at whatever time of day works best for you. You might get lucky here and there on a day or time when he isn’t otherwise committed, and feels like he can afford to entertain you. When he does, tip well and he will be more likely to give you a high level of service the next time. We self regulate every day around who is booking what and when. There is no consistently good time of day to ask for - or expect - freebies because clients are dictating these things. We respond and adapt accordingly. Ask yourself: “do I value this service? Then ask yourself: “how much?” Then ask your provider: “how much?” Make a decision based on the answers.

Newell is a friend of mine and I know him well. We work together here and there. I’ve mentioned this sentiment to him before, of him looking somewhat intimidating in his ads. He really isn’t like that in person at all. He’s a good guy. Happy to answer any questions about Newell.

@maninsoma Thanks for sharing. By and large, a lot of providers are delivering high quality service in line with what they are advertising (wherever on the spectrum they fall). When you’re unsure, you can find plenty of excellent recommendations right here on the forums. That frees clients up from having to initiate any form of the awkward “erotic services” discussion whether they be blunt or subtle about it. The best case is knowing what is reasonably in the range of what to expect so you don’t even need to have that part of the conversation at all! You won’t always have intel from these boards or a personal referral to go on. Sometimes you’re hiring someone you have no idea if he will deliver what you want. I think it’s perfectly ok to ask, whether you be subtle or blunt, but also it’s reasonable for a provider to avoid clients asking them to put their livelihood at risk. There is no right way to go about it. Live and learn. Calculate the level of risk you’re willing to take on a new guy and take the plunge. Worst case scenario is you lose a little money and don’t hire him again. Best case, you find some really good men this way and enjoy hiring them over and over. You have a lot more to gain, I think, in the long run, by tolerating a little bit of uncertainty up front.

Clients are wary of being taken advantage of. They don’t want to waste their time and money on masseurs unwilling to meet their needs. I get it, law enforcement is a real concern. Clients hiring what they want is also a real concern. US laws make for an inefficient market. There is no perfect solution. Accept the clients you feel comfortable seeing. Decline the ones you don’t. There is no standardized way to communicate about our services, nor is there a standardized way to offer them. You can’t ask the market to conform to your preferences regarding communication up front. It’s a fool’s errand. Some clients are more forward, some less so. Good luck changing that in either direction. Until we in the US have more sensible laws concerning sex work, we providers unfortunately must navigate the murky world of communication about sex work services, making our own calls about who we see. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Here is the thread: Your ideal orgasms per day

This spin off sexual well being topic is for the more open minded folks among us. The previous thread question was how many times “CAN” you cum per day? The question itself implies that more is always better and that tally marks are the measure of a man’s pleasure and virility. Like it’s a contest. How limiting. Feel free to disagree. The other topic is for you, then (linked at the bottom). Here we will discuss more out of the box, creative, and deeper approaches to sex and orgasm. Maybe it will challenge you to think about sex in ways you’ve never considered before. “How many times do you WANT to cum in a day? And HOW?” These more interesting and nuanced questions are about having more satisfying sex versus strictly “quantity” of sex measured superficially in terms of number of orgasms over the course of a given day. Men can have satisfying sex with many orgasms, few orgasms, no orgasms, and different types of orgasms. You can also have a lot of unfulfilling, lackluster orgasms in a day. Quantity does not parallel quality. Everyone is different. The question is what does it for you beyond an oversimplified X number of orgasms per day? If you were able to cum as much as you want and how you want every day that you felt otherwise well enough to do so, and you had no limitations like work schedule or family responsibilities, what would be your ideal scenario? Under what circumstances, types of stimuli (or lack of), and how long are your refractory periods (if any)? What types of orgasms? Long? Short? Intense? Mild? Ecstasy over the course of a long, multi orgasmic state? Ejaculatory, dry, or prostate? With partner(s), or strictly self pleasure? Any amount of edging? Can you cum with no physical stimulation at all, and would you want to? What about orgasms experienced primarily through stimulation in and around your ass? Or balls? Other erogenous zones? What about full body orgasms? What types of stimulus would you like? Any combinations or variations of the above? Have you ever achieved something close to your ideal day, and how did it differ from what you wanted or expected? What makes for the most satisfying sex to you? What makes for the most satisfying orgasms to you? Here is the other thread: How many times can you cum in a day?

Fair enough. I’ll have to start a separate thread then. It’s interesting to some of us, and not to others.

@AngusStevensxxx thank you for posting. You are brave. Good on you for defending yourself here. Nobody has the right to behave this way. It’s egregious. We here on the forums who know you from in person meets, phone calls, and other connections online will vouch for your integrity and your work.

LOL, don’t knock what you’ve never tried! It feels amazing. A lot of men never get there over the course of their lives. What a shame. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea either. That’s fine. I might suggest diverging slightly from the topic discussion from “CAN” to “How many times do you WANT to cum in a day? And HOW?” If you were able to cum as much as you want and how you want, what would be your ideal? Under what circumstances, types of stimuli (or lack of), and how long are the refractory periods (if any). What types of orgasms? Long? Short? Intense? Mild? Ejaculatory, dry, prostate? Any mix or order of any of the above? Can you cum with no physical stimulation at all, and would you want to? Have you ever achieved your ideal day, and how did it differ from what you wanted or expected?

It’s rare, but possible. My clients practicing their tantric sexual techniques can orgasm many times in an hour with or without ejaculation(s). Often most/all of these orgasms are non-ejaculatory. When you get into the right rhythm and you have developed the practice over time, multiple orgasms are possible. 8-12 in a session is not crazy. It takes experience, intense self awareness, and the right situation to get there.

“Boys who brunch”, perhaps? 🤔

Agree! 👍 I learned a hard lesson last summer in slowing down and giving messages my full attention. I’m used to clients being pushy and impatient and then losing work when I’m not responding quickly enough. It’s a lot of pressure at times. I can’t respond as quickly as every client wants or expects, but that’s ok. Losing work due to a delayed response is better than what happened below. I royally f’d up in Houston. A client booked me a few days ahead on RentMen and it was on my books. At the end of the booking conversation he shared his cell phone number with me on RentMen Messenger for reference and that was that. If I were diligent and not rushed I would probably have added the number as a contact to help me remember him if/when he messages. The day of the appointment, I was between other back to back appointments frantically trying to respond to a bunch of messages in my tight ‘gap’ time. One of these text messages was the RentMen client I was expecting later that day. He mentioned briefly who he was but I was rushing like crazy and did not read it carefully. I didn’t understand who it was thinking it was a new client inquiry. I read the time he wanted and noted the conflict with the RentMen client, so I told him I was booked but could do a later time. He couldn’t do a later time. He was simply confirming the reservation he had already made and that went over my head. Since he couldn’t meet at another available time, we reached an impasse. Rushed as I was in that moment, I barely read the messages and misinterpreted everything. Later in the day the time the client originally booked comes and I’m expecting the RentMen client. He doesn’t show up and I’m irritated thinking he is a no-show. I contact him asking if he was still planning to meet. He was understandably confused and after a couple exchanges I realized my error, looked back at the text message he sent earlier and it was way more clear to me who he was and what had happened. I apologized profusely explaining it was my mistake. We didn’t end up meeting, unfortunately, and I felt terrible about it. It all would have worked out had I decided to delay my response until I was able to give it my full attention. I don’t think this client would have been bothered by an hour or two delay. Maybe some would, and that’s the pressure I feel in these moments. Lesson learned: slow the f* down.

You mean: …body language?

^Indeed! Treasure the good ones when you find them, and treat them well. You never know how long they will be available to you in your area.

Haha! I have no problem referring. I can’t be everything to everyone. I’ll keep an eye out for your type and send them your way 😉 Only the good ones!

No, not at all. I wouldn’t be doing this work if I looked down on clients for hiring sex. Who cares? Live and let live. Whatever services clients want to hire represent real human needs. We all have them. Healing, intimacy, exploration, social interaction, physical touch, emotional safety, acceptance, being seen/heard/understood, fun, connection…the list goes on… There’s nothing wrong with being a human being.

I don’t take it that way at all. Thanks for posting! It’s a good conversation. Thanks for sharing! That means a lot to me. Anything you want different should you visit me again please don’t hesitate to ask. I’m not at all shy! I want to validate your points. Sometimes what you want changes in the moment and that’s ok. That’s part of our job to read and respond to your body, demeanor, and cues. Yes, the thrill of the unknown, what will go down, and how, is certainly part of the enjoyment. It’s a fantasy to entertain for sure. Not every masseur responds well to direct questions regarding extras. Law enforcement in the US is a real concern. Some guys just don’t want the pressure. Some don’t offer extras at all and it’s annoying having to address the request knowing you likely won’t get the work but have to go through the motions of responding patiently and politely anyway.