*Are all the hot gays migrating out of New York?

[LaSanta]

It looks like most of the hot guys I know have migrated from the Big Apple to either L. A. or Fort Lauderdale. Or am I missing something? Austin seems to be another destination where many are fleeing.

[Luv2play]

Maybe the cost of living is driving them out. There was that recent municipal election that centred on that issue and gave the victory to someone who promised to do something about it. 
In these circumstances many people vote with their feet, not believing things are going to get better any time soon. 
The young and the beautiful are highly mobile as a general rule if they find pastures greener elsewhere. 

[caliguy]

I can't even imagine the cost of living in NY if you're not already established. Everywhere is getting expensive but NY, SF prices are insane. 

[marylander1940]

5 hours ago, Luv2play said:

Maybe the cost of living is driving them out. There was that recent municipal election that centred on that issue and gave the victory to someone who promised to do something about it. 
In these circumstances many people vote with their feet, not believing things are going to get better any time soon. 
The young and the beautiful are highly mobile as a general rule if they find pastures greener elsewhere. 

Agreed!

Gays are smart especially with our money!

I'm proud to have been one of the gay men who brought back Dupont Circle and Logan Circle at a time when they were dangerous neighborhoods! I doubt (in most cases) real estate will be the secret to create generational wealth, but we all need a place to live, therefore young gay men do the math and move to places where money goes further.

[ShortCutie7]

I’ve actually very recently noticed that there are fewer ultra-hot guys out and about in NYC… I thought it was due to the weather/season, but maybe not?

[samhexum]

No, I can't afford to leave. I'd have to spend too much to fix up my place to get a decent price and wouldn't have the income or credit to buy anywhere else.  Besides, I don't pay utilities here, which helps.

Edited Monday at 11:05 PM by samhexum
for a reason that only Lamont Cranston knows

[mike carey]

4 minutes ago, samhexum said:

No, I can't afford to leave.

I see what you did there!

[Luv2play]

28 minutes ago, samhexum said:

No, I can't afford to leave. I'd have to spend too much to fix up my place to get a decent price and wouldn't have the income or credit to buy anywhere else.  Besides, I don't pay utilities here, which helps.

Sweetie, I don’t think we were talking about you. Unless, like Gloria Swanson, in Sunset Boulevard, you still think you have a second act as a youthful ingenue seeking to conquer the world.

[samhexum]

40 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

Sweetie, I don’t think we were talking about you. Unless, like Gloria Swanson, in Sunset Boulevard, you still think you have a second act as a youthful ingenue seeking to conquer the world.

I'll have you know that my building gives too much heat and it's not uncommon to hear a/c's going mid-winter (we don't pay utilities) and I am on the top floor with a black roof overhead so I bake in the summer even with the a/c on, so I am a gay guy who lives almost 24/7 in my undies so I don't overheat, so I think I am the epitome (the very epi- toam, as my former roommate and I used to say) of who the OP asked about in the title of this thread.

(Thank You very large, as that same former roommate and I also used to say)

 

[marylander1940]

2 hours ago, samhexum said:

 I am a gay guy who lives almost 24/7 in my undies

 

 

[samhexum]

18 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

 

BASTARD!!!

when did you break in & install a spy-cam and where is it?

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

23 hours ago, LaSanta said:

It looks like most of the hot guys I know have migrated from the Big Apple to either L. A. or Fort Lauderdale.

 

5 hours ago, ShortCutie7 said:

I’ve actually very recently noticed that there are fewer ultra-hot guys out and about in NYC…

I can't speak for the others; but, I left NYC in September and am now in Ft Lauderdale.  It's good to hear my absence has been noticed.

Edited yesterday at 04:26 AM by Vegas_Millennial
Edited for humility

[+ Lucky]

I don't know about the other hot guys, but yes, I migrated from NYC to California.

[marylander1940]

10 hours ago, samhexum said:

BASTARD!!!

when did you break in & install a spy-cam and where is it?

all your sex tapes are next!

[+ PhileasFogg]

It’s been said many times - impose an extra tax on the wealthy and the wealthy may leave.  Then when the wealthy leave, those who make money off (or with) the wealthy follow the wealthy.  Escorts, accountants, lawyers, money managers…etc   Plus, technology means that professional service providers don’t need to be in the expensive markets   I haven’t been in the sane city as my portfolio manager in 20 yrs, but we communicate no less 

This is a simple economic principle applied to certain events that are playing out.  

Edited 17 hours ago by PhileasFogg

[+ sniper]

It has less to do with taxes than wages vs rent. tax rates simply haven't changed all that much. But most corporate drones are making 10% less in real dollars than they were 5 years ago if they didn't change jobs, and rent has gone up more than everything else. So even with roommates the math doesn't math for the vast majority of young people in the NYC area.

 It's comical how out of touch my employer is with this reality.  I mean, I know employers generally don't really give a shit about people, but everyone at this company is a numbers person and the bigwigs still try to pretend thar they're making things better by making them worse. It's insulting, really.

[+ Pensant]

23 minutes ago, PhileasFogg said:

I haven’t been in the sane city as my portfolio manager in 20 yrs, but we communicate no less 

Same here. Mine are still in CA, where I lived on and off for 30 years. It gives me an excuse to fly out at least once a year for portfolio review and tax preparation.

[+ PhileasFogg]

50 minutes ago, sniper said:

 

 It's comical how out of touch my employer is with this reality.  I mean, I know employers generally don't really give a shit about people, but everyone at this company is a numbers person and the bigwigs still try to pretend thar they're making things better by making them worse. It's insulting, really.

Cost of living doesn’t impact the cost of employment.

Cost of employment is a function of the supply of qualified workers in a given market.  Given that location matters less and less, it expands the supply which results in lower cost of qualified workers.

It has nothing to do with giving a shit or not.  

If you had a choice of two identical jobs - one for $100k and another for $150k - you’d take the $150k all else equal.

similarly, if an employer has a choice of a $100k worker in Dallas or a $150k worker in NYC, they will take the $100k worker - all else equal.

Boston is another example.  High cost of living and low cost of employment.  Why? Workers want to stay there

[samhexum]

10 hours ago, PhileasFogg said:

I haven’t been in the sane city as my portfolio manager in 20 yrs 

 

9 hours ago, Pensant said:

Same here.

umm... Do your managers have other clients that are living in Crazy Town?  (or is it Krazy Town?)

Edited 6 hours ago by samhexum
to gain maximum clarity

[+ KensingtonHomo]

Neither me nor any of my hot friends have decamped from NYC to Florida or California. Massachusetts passed a 4% income surtax which raised $5.6 billion with no significant fleeing of the wealthy. 

Data shows Mass. is home to more millionaires despite new surtax, according to advocates

WWW.NBCBOSTON.COM

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Surtax supporters released data Monday that they said pokes holes in the argument that the state’s new tax on high earners is...

I do not understand how any queer person is moving to states where their rights are negated or are being eroded. And if you’re a cis gay man who’s moving to states that are attacking trans people, destroying their public health systems, gutting their disaster responses, etc, that lower cost of living may turn out to be very expensive. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

27 minutes ago, KensingtonHomo said:

I do not understand how any queer person is moving to states where their rights are negated or are being eroded. And if you’re a cis gay man who’s moving to states that are attacking trans people, destroying their public health systems, gutting their disaster responses, etc, that lower cost of living may turn out to be very expensive. 

States that are more libertarian can be freeing in many ways besides just financially.

I've migrated out of California for that reason at the turn of the century, and I've never regretted it.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

Just now, Vegas_Millennial said:

States that are more libertarian can be freeing in many ways besides just financially.

Not when you’re fired for being a cocksucker. Or a landlord refuses to renew your lease because you’re trans. 

The only people who are “libertarian” are either atop the socioeconomic ladder or imagine they will be. These are 99% cis white men. 

The real gag is going to be when the next big hurricane hits one of these states and FEMA is unable to respond and the federal government doesn’t take the tax money from New York and California and give it to them. 

Arkansas learned that the hard way. 

[samhexum]

25 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I've migrated out of California for that reason at the turn of the century, and I've never regretted it.

Yes, but that's because the gold rush had ended.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

3 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

...FEMA is unable to respond and the federal government doesn’t take the tax money from New York and California and give it to them. 

As it shouldn't.

Stop subsidizing people and investors who choose to live and invest in disaster-prone areas!  It'll help restore our environmentally sensitive wetlands and beaches as well.  I'm glad we see eye to eye on this. 

As to New York, I'm holding off on visiting for a while to see what happens.  The National Guard presence in the City the last 2 years was helpful, as the City was getting pretty lawless and rough to tourists in 2020-2023.

If it improves enough, I may migrate there after 2028.  Back in 2018 I was  looking at property in Manhattan, anticipating moving there permanently.  But my opinion of it turned sour in 2020.  Last year and this year it has started getting better.

Edited 1 hour ago by Vegas_Millennial

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

1 hour ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Not when you’re fired for being a cocksucker.

Then you're sucking the wrong cock. Hookup with management, not the janitor. 😉