New section: Known Scammers

[+ azdr0710]

Chaos ensues!

This thread already shows such a new forum would blow up within hours. 

[d.anders]

49 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Except this isn't a street fight between rival gang members or jealous escorts. 

In the service business, there is a seller and a buyer. One wants the money, the other has the money. They are not the same. If a business wants to keep its customers, and its reputation as a business, it has to learn how to handle some questionable or difficult behavior.

I realize the ethos "the customer is always right" is about as dead as landline phones (although in truth, not quite). At a certain point that won't matter. Perception always plays a role. If your public reputation is exposed to be revenge and vendetta, good luck selling that to new and existing customers.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

So, should I send a deposit to scammers or not?  We need a few more hundred threads about this so I can be sure if I need to never send money to someone I've never met or not.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

9 hours ago, d.anders said:

Except this isn't a street fight between rival gang members or jealous escorts. 

In the service business, there is a seller and a buyer. One wants the money, the other has the money. They are not the same. If a business wants to keep its customers, and its reputation as a business, it has to learn how to handle some questionable or difficult behavior.

I realize the ethos "the customer is always right" is about as dead as landline phones (although in truth, not quite). At a certain point that won't matter. Perception always plays a role. If your public reputation is exposed to be revenge and vendetta, good luck selling that to new and existing customers.

No, not a street fight.  Nothing like that at all.

And this isn't really a 'customer always being right' thing.  It's making people realize that, yes, escorts behave badly, but also, so do clients.  By simple virtue of being the one who's paying doesn't absolve you of acting like an asshole.

Basically, what I'm all for is equal footing and treating those as you want to be treated.

What Simon first mentioned was a typical system of check-and-balances, for both sides.

[marylander1940]

9 hours ago, azdr0710 said:

Chaos ensues!

This thread already shows such a new forum would blow up within hours. 

It would be full of "he says" versus 'he says" allegations

[Monarchy79]

On 4/26/2025 at 9:40 AM, Nightowl said:

I’m not a fan of public shaming, even if you think someone is a scammer.  As many have said here, different people have different experiences.  If someone wants details about someone I have hired and they’re open to DMs, I am happy to provide details of my experience, including my belief that the person may be a scammer.  I just don’t feel comfortable poisoning the waters for someone, based solely on my own unpleasant experience.  I also wouldn’t want providers to do that to me as a client.  

Is it “public shaming”?

Or is it accountability? 

Why should someone who is hustling victims out of their money be protected?

if a member of this forum has been hoodwinked through such various scams, I see nothing wrong with addressing it. 

Usually when one victim comes out, others do too, and can share their stories to protect others. 

 

 

[Guest]

12 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Bingo.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  

There are more than a few members here who wouldn't want their behavior aired out.

what they said

[Monarchy79]

12 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Bingo.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  

There are more than a few members here who wouldn't want their behavior aired out.

I thought this already occurred on Mr. Number? 

[Nightowl]

6 hours ago, Monarchy79 said:

Is it “public shaming”?

Or is it accountability? 

Why should someone who is hustling victims out of their money be protected?

if a member of this forum has been hoodwinked through such various scams, I see nothing wrong with addressing it. 

Usually when one victim comes out, others do too, and can share their stories to protect others. 

 

 

I understand your point.  Fortunately, we are each free to handle the situation our own way.

[d.anders]

10 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

It's making people realize that, yes, escorts behave badly, but also, so do clients.

We already know that assholes exist among us. You don't even need to work in service to know that. Not one of us is perfect. We have all been capable of being labeled an asshole from time to time.

10 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

By simple virtue of being the one who's paying doesn't absolve you of acting like an asshole.

Asshole behavior may not absolve anyone, but there is a power dynamic in money transactions. If you want the power to kick your asshole customer down in public, you can't escape the possible ramifications. It is far better for a business to deal with ugly customers privately.

11 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

what I'm all for is equal footing and treating those as you want to be treated.

Nice. Even the Church can't promise that. I like your altruism. There's very little "equal" in life. Mother Nature doesn't behave that way. Selfish, horny, narcissists don't give a hoot about equal.

11 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

a typical system of check-and-balances, for both sides

But who gets to play judge?

[+ DrownedBoy]

1 hour ago, d.anders said:

But who gets to play judge?

The person with the money plays judge.

That's how it works.

[BuzzLiteQueer]

On 4/26/2025 at 6:40 AM, Nightowl said:

I’m not a fan of public shaming, even if you think someone is a scammer.

I don't think this is public shaming; this, IMHO, is consumer protection.   We (members and participants in this Forum) are consumers in a completely unregulated profession.  Absent contacting law enforcement (a path that raises myriad problems), writing here and warning others about the scammer is the only recourse we have.  I don't think this is qualitatively different from posting Yelp review about a mechanic who overcharges, lies about the required repairs, etc. a restaurant whose customers periodically get food poisoning or a cab driver that always overcharges.

[Nightowl]

5 hours ago, BuzzLiteQueer said:

I don't think this is public shaming; this, IMHO, is consumer protection.   We (members and participants in this Forum) are consumers in a completely unregulated profession.  Absent contacting law enforcement (a path that raises myriad problems), writing here and warning others about the scammer is the only recourse we have.  I don't think this is qualitatively different from posting Yelp review about a mechanic who overcharges, lies about the required repairs, etc. a restaurant whose customers periodically get food poisoning or a cab driver that always overcharges.

I understand your position.  Different approaches for different people.  My original post only reflects my preference.

[soloyo215]

On 4/22/2025 at 2:17 PM, BeefyDude said:

What about having a new section for known scammers?

I can see a section like that being abused and weaponized. I see it as the source of many unsavory discussions, arguments, and even lawsuits for slandering.

I don't think it's a good idea. Just look at the answers here and see that some people are already calling it "public shaming", arguments about who's really the scammer, what is in fact a scammer, what to do when one person feels scammed and another had a great experience, and things alike.

Bad idea, and it even hasn't started.

Edited May 1 by soloyo215

[+ Jamie21]

On 4/29/2025 at 6:26 PM, Vegas_Millennial said:

So, should I send a deposit to scammers or not?  We need a few more hundred threads about this so I can be sure if I need to never send money to someone I've never met or not.

Yes, you should send money to guys who ask for it. 

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Please send me money. Contact details below. Thanks 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

1 minute ago, Jamie21 said:

On 4/29/2025 at 10:26 AM, Vegas_Millennial said:

So, should I send a deposit to scammers or not?  We need a few more hundred threads about this so I can be sure if I need to never send money to someone I've never met or not.

Yes, you should send money to guys who ask for it. 

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Please send me money. Contact details below. Thanks 

😆

In your case, @Jamie21, it wouldn't be a scam because I have already hired you when I was in London and you are worth every penny (or tupunce, shilling, or whatever you guys use there)

[BeefyDude]

44 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

😆

In your case, @Jamie21, it wouldn't be a scam because I have already hired you when I was in London and you are worth every penny (or tupunce, shilling, or whatever you guys use there)

The point of this thread was not to talk about how many scammers there are, but to (if you are comfortable) call them out so others won't get scammed

And before masseurs go off on me saying clients scam too - I AM NOT saying they don't.  Instead of berating me with comments, create your own thread about it etc

I love this site and have got and given great advise and recommendations.  It just seems like so many of the legit posts i make the masseurs come out of the woods and pounce on me.  Lighten up please.  We get it y'all are the good ones.

[+ Jamie21]

47 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

😆

In your case, @Jamie21, it wouldn't be a scam because I have already hired you when I was in London and you are worth every penny (or tupunce, shilling, or whatever you guys use there)

Yep, I remember 😉. You’re telling me I could have charged you more 😳. Damn..

[Simon Suraci]

13 hours ago, BeefyDude said:

And before masseurs go off on me

^Too late…

13 hours ago, BeefyDude said:

Instead of berating me with comments, create your own thread about it etc

Berating? No. Responding to your request for opinions on the subject you posted? Yes, absolutely. Giving you real, straightforward talk on matters with stakes? You better believe it.

If you don’t want members to respond, why post the topic? Can’t handle the heat? Don’t invite the neighbors into your kitchen to cook.

Posters like me are a very tiny fraction representing providers who are not here, for any number of good reasons, to speak for themselves. If you aren’t hearing it from people like me, you might feel as though it’s ok to do what you’re proposing all the while with a client mob vastly outnumbering voices like mine encouraging you to do so.

13 hours ago, BeefyDude said:

call them out so others won't get scammed

Reframing the question the other way around sheds a bit of perspective on what you are proposing. That’s why we respond. We want you to understand the implications. What you suggest is a double standard. You can say any horrible, perhaps unfounded or speculative thing about a provider, but clients are untouchable, off limits, because we are the “goods” and you are the consumer.

You have nothing to lose if we said something horrible about you. You might feel embarrassed (or maybe not) but nobody knows who you are. What you post impacts our livelihoods, however unfounded or inaccurate it may be. A lot of us don’t even know this place exists, so we have no way to protect ourselves from people damaging our businesses here.

Would you want to be in the limelight, demonized, called a fraud, a scam, a whateverfillintheblank unflattering thing with no evidence from your accusers to back it up? And oh by the way you now make less income at your job because of it? Why then, would it be acceptable to do this to someone else? 

13 hours ago, BeefyDude said:

masseurs come out of the woods and pounce on me

You can count on it. If you aren’t prepared to take responsibility for the things you say, don’t say them. We will pounce.

 

Edited May 2 by Simon Suraci
Removed references to community guidelines.

[+ Jamie21]

Maybe a little perspective is needed? As a masseur I know there are clients who are scammers- these people prey on sex workers (often female sex workers because of the power imbalance, but also on guys). I know because I’ve come across one or two and because I get informed of them through sites where we (sex workers) can report such individuals. This isn’t about reporting clients who are just a bit difficult to deal with or who are awkward (that stays private) but it’s clients who are physically threatening, refuse to pay, or who deliberately harass. So we as providers do have places to report such individuals and share information about them. I know the numbers and names they use, I know how they operate. I’m glad I know. 
What the OP is talking about is I think the reporting on here of the worst masseur / sex worker scammers. Not the guys who give a mediocre massage or who promise to kiss and then don’t etc. That’s just a bad product or a buyer who bought with his cock not his head. I see some examples of that on here…where the client was disappointed but it’s not a scam, it’s just either the client had unrealistic expectations or the provider over promised or even there was a misunderstanding about the service. The same provider is mentioned elsewhere by other clients in glowing terms. Readers can almost always see things for what they are: the client being unrealistic or the provider having an off day. It happens.

I’m mentioned on here by some clients (always in glowing terms of course 😉) but I’m sure there’s somewhere online where a client mentions me expressing some kind of disappointment. We can’t please everyone. I hope that most discerning clients can look at the overall reputation of a masseur or escort on here and elsewhere and come to their own conclusions. To be honest if a client makes a decision not to hire based on one comment from someone they don’t know then I probably don’t want that kind of client anyway. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

This thread is a great example of someone who only wants one specific opinion when asking a question.

But the internet doesn't work that way.  You post anything and you open it- and yourself- up to everything.

Realistically, the idea of a 'scammers' section here won't likely happen, as it opens the site up to legal issues.