United Healthcare CEO killed

[Luv2play]

Interesting parallels between Thompson, the victim and Magioni, the alleged perpetrator. Both graduated from high school at the top of their class and valedictorian. Both excelled at university. One came from a privileged background and the other a humble one but each from a stable family. 
It appears what brought them together on a sidewalk in NewYork was what one did for a living and how it affected the other, in ways that still need to be determined.

[+ Lucky]

There will be no "Not Guilty" verdict. The case will go either the mental health route,  a plea deal, or a conviction by a jury.

 

[SunnyDay]

Therapy/prescriptions and prescriptions withdraw might have been involved, It seems that his issues with chronic back pain and unsuccessful surgeries were a big factor in withdrawing from his former life. Death isn't the end though. There were reports he told a friend that his back condition makes dating and physical intimacy impossible. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

2 hours ago, Lucky said:

There will be no "Not Guilty" verdict. The case will go either the mental health route,  a plea deal, or a conviction by a jury.

 

Either way...as long as the assassin is removed from society 👏 

[+ sync]

3 hours ago, Luv2play said:

I am thinking anyone who has ever had a dispute with their healthcare provider will also be excluded at the request of the prosecution. 

 

2 hours ago, dutchal said:

Provider or insurer, yup.

By the time they get a full jury and alternates past all that the defendant will have passed from old age.  😆

[+ José Soplanucas]

Just now, sync said:

 

By the time they get a full jury and alternates past all that the defendant will have passed from old age.  😆

While he is becoming more and more popular. Copycats may flourish as the CEO hunting season may be opening. This assassination may trigger unexpected changes. 

[jeezifonly]

I do not support vigilante justice. 

But I am totally okay with CEO’s suddenly feeling as though they are fair game for the hunt. They have all slept fine for decades, while the consumers at their profit-driven mercy have lived in nightmares. Let ‘em sweat. Point and laugh at them in public. 

[marylander1940]

3 hours ago, Lucky said:

There will be no "Not Guilty" verdict. The case will go either the mental health route,  a plea deal, or a conviction by a jury.

 

Let's see!

Edited December 11, 2024 by marylander1940

[Lotus-eater]

Life imitates art:

“He was, by the way, exceptionally handsome, above the average in height, slim, well-built, with beautiful dark eyes and dark brown hair.

...He waked up late next day after a broken sleep. But his sleep had not refreshed him; he waked up bilious, irritable, ill-tempered, and looked with hatred at his room."

....All at once he heard the student mention to the officer the pawnbroker Alyona Ivanovna ...the student began telling his friend various details about Alyona Ivanovna...and began describing how spiteful and uncertain she was, how if you were only a day late with your interest the pledge was lost; how she gave a quarter of the value of an article and took five and even seven percent a month on it and so on...

...He pulled the axe quite out, swung it with both arms, scarcely conscious of himself, and almost without effort, almost mechanically, brought the blunt side down on her head. ...As she was so short, the blow fell on the very top of her skull. She cried out, but very faintly, and suddenly sank all of a heap on the floor, raising her hands to her head. In one hand she still held “the pledge.” Then he dealt her another and another blow with the blunt side and on the same spot. The blood gushed as from an overturned glass, the body fell back. He stepped back, let it fall, and at once bent over her face; she was dead. 

..."You were hungry! It was… to help your mother? Yes?”

“No, Sonia, no,” he muttered, turning away and hanging his head. “I was not so hungry…. I certainly did want to help my mother, but… that’s not the real thing either…. Don’t torture me, Sonia.”

“Then why… why, you said you did it to rob, but you took nothing?” she asked quickly, catching at a straw.“

...“Sonia, I have a bad heart, take note of that. It may explain a great deal. I have come because I am bad. There are men who wouldn’t have come. But I am a coward and… a mean wretch. But… never mind! That’s not the point. I must speak now, but I don’t know how to begin.”

He paused and sank into thought.

...“What if it were really that?” he said, as though reaching a conclusion. “Yes, that’s what it was! I wanted to become a Napoleon, that is why I killed her…. Do you understand now?”

...“It was like this: I asked myself one day this question—what if Napoleon, for instance, had happened to be in my place, and if he had not had Toulon nor Egypt nor the passage of Mont Blanc to begin his career with, but instead of all those picturesque and monumental things, there had simply been some ridiculous old hag, a pawnbroker, who had to be murdered too to get money from her trunk (for his career, you understand). Well, would he have brought himself to that if there had been no other means? Wouldn’t he have felt a pang at its being so far from monumental and… and sinful, too? Well, I must tell you that I worried myself fearfully over that ‘question’ so that I was awfully ashamed when I guessed at last (all of a sudden, somehow) that it would not have given him the least pang, that it would not even have struck him that it was not monumental… that he would not have seen that there was anything in it to pause over, and that, if he had had no other way, he would have strangled her in a minute without thinking about it! Well, I too… left off thinking about it… murdered her, following his example. And that’s exactly how it was! Do you think it funny? Yes, Sonia, the funniest thing of all is that perhaps that’s just how it was.”

“I’ve only killed a louse, Sonia, a useless, loathsome, harmful creature.”

“A human being—a louse!”

“I too know it wasn’t a louse,” he answered, looking strangely at her. “But I am talking nonsense, Sonia,” he added. 

...“No, Sonia, that’s not it,” he began again suddenly, raising his head, as though a new and sudden train of thought had struck and as it were roused him—”that’s not it! Better… imagine—yes, it’s certainly better—imagine that I am vain, envious, malicious, base, vindictive and… well, perhaps with a tendency to insanity. (Let’s have it all out at once! They’ve talked of madness already, I noticed.)"

(Crime and Punishment)

Edited December 12, 2024 by Lotus-eater

[Luv2play]

7 hours ago, Lucky said:

There will be no "Not Guilty" verdict. The case will go either the mental health route,  a plea deal, or a conviction by a jury.

 

I remember people saying that about OJ as well. Then jury nullification happened, to the surprise of almost everyone.

[+ Italiano]

On 12/10/2024 at 4:29 PM, José Soplanucas said:

 I guess not so bad news, as the trend would also be for Italian looking men.

Are we talking about me? 😎

[dutchal]

19 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

Dude you lost that bet a few days ago 😆

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna180775

The Penny-Neely death was not a pre-meditated, cold-blooded killing with a firearm as was the Mangione-Thompson killing.  And, at the risk of being picky, Penny and Neely weren't on a sidewalk.   The setting of a closed, moving subway car, which magnifies the risk from an unstable person in the car, was a factor in the outcome.

[dutchal]

12 hours ago, Luv2play said:

I remember people saying that about OJ as well. Then jury nullification happened, to the surprise of almost everyone.

The OJ case was purely circumstantial.  This case has a mountain of direct evidence.  Even granting that the video of the shooting is grainy and inconclusive as to the identity of the shooter, they've got his fingerprints on the shell casings, a writing that is in part a confession, and ballistics matching the murder weapon to the gun found on him in Altoona.

Edited December 12, 2024 by dutchal

[+ DrownedBoy]

I'm sure the trial will be perfectly fair.

After all, the suspect is a pure blood Sicilian.

From a very large and wealthy Sicilian family. (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14181643/luigi-mangione-bullying-tycoon-grandpa-mafia-ties-revealed.html)

A family so powerful it has relatives in the Penn. statehouse and a real estate empire.

And the suspect just happened to know how to kill someone and escape from NYC, and it's doubtful he would have gotten caught except for a single face shot someone recognized.

Perfectly straightforward trial....

 

Edited December 12, 2024 by DrownedBoy
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[cany10011]

20 hours ago, SunnyDay said:

Therapy/prescriptions and prescriptions withdraw might have been involved, It seems that his issues with chronic back pain and unsuccessful surgeries were a big factor in withdrawing from his former life. Death isn't the end though. There were reports he told a friend that his back condition makes dating and physical intimacy impossible. 

If he was on antidepressants, it would possibly be a cause....

[marylander1940]

23 hours ago, José Soplanucas said:

While he is becoming more and more popular. Copycats may flourish as the CEO hunting season may be opening. This assassination may trigger unexpected changes. 

Copycats will be caught and jailed. We're a civilized country.

Most problems associated with healthcare would be solved if we were more responsible about what we eat and our lifestyle, obesity is our biggest problem. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

FREE LUIGI! Perhaps we have the first source of copycats. 

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Luigi Mangione's fellow inmates are giving the inside scoop about conditions in the prison where he's staying -- screaming out about his treatment from behind the...

 

[+ augustus]

3 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Copycats will be caught and jailed. We're a civilized country.

Most problems associated with healthcare would be solved if we were more responsible about what we eat and our lifestyle, obesity is our biggest problem. 

Agreed.  And another big problem is our healthcare system is overused.  Overweight?  Demand Wegovy, which is very expensive.  Depressed? Demand unlimited psychiatric sessions.  However, to constantly hold up Canada and European countries a model for good care is ridiculous.

The British healthcare system is a mess. In France, anyone with money goes outside the national system to a "concierge doctor". Canadian patients needing a knee replacement come across the border to Buffalo, Detroit and Chicago rather than wait months or years in agony. Copying some other country's medical system is not the answer. Not saying there aren’t positives but the endless evocation of other systems by people who don’t understand and are too lazy to in response to our system is an eternal meme that never stops repeating itself.

Edited December 13, 2024 by augustus

[HockeyMan]

I'm gonna focus on Brian Thompson. A man in a position of fiscal and social authority was murdered in cold blood. The general public made jokes and internet memes about his murder, and then started ogling the alleged killer's six pack. I think people in positions of power are now afraid of the public treating them like this after their inevitable deaths. Do they really know where they stand with the general public? They can't ignore it anymore.

[+ glutes]

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[+ WilliamM]

On 12/9/2024 at 5:31 PM, marylander1940 said:

He could have had a wonderful life, handsome, in great shape, smart, unfortunately because some stupid idealism he ruined his life all by himself!

Supporters = online schadenfreude.

I never imagine people n this forum would be apparently justifying someone else's death.

"Great shape"   yeah "hit the gym"

[marylander1940]

1 hour ago, augustus said:

Agreed.  And another big problem is our healthcare system is overused.  Overweight?  Demand Wegovy, which is very expensive.  Depressed? Demand unlimited psychiatric sessions.  However, to constantly hold up Canada and European countries a model for good care is ridiculous.

The British healthcare system is a mess. In France, anyone with money goes outside the national system to a "concierge doctor". Canadian patients needing a knee replacement come across the border to Buffalo, Detroit and Chicago rather than wait months or years in agony. Copying some other country's medical system is not the answer. Not saying there aren’t positives but the endless evocation of other systems by people who don’t understand and are too lazy to in response to our system is an eternal meme that never stops repeating itself.

Exactly not everything should be just a few pills or injections away sometimes we have to make some personal effort!

[+ José Soplanucas]

Is it starting?

Edited December 13, 2024 by José Soplanucas

[+ José Soplanucas]

 

[+ José Soplanucas]

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