NYC clients: would you see a masseur just outside the city?

[jackcali]

Can't speak for anyone else, but I live in Manhattan and can't host.  Neither can most escorts.  Even with the market being limited by that, in the 20ish years of this hobby, I have gone to close-in parts of Queens or Brooklyn or north of 96th Street in Manhattan for no more than four or five providers.  I also have a car and in theory I could drive to the boroughs or further to meet a provider, but I never have.  That's how significant convenience is to me. 

[panpanda]

It depends. I think as a client I go through pros vs. cons of incall/outcall. I live in Manhattan, so here are my own thoughts:

Pricing: I know that different providers will charge differently for incall/outcall. If it's generally cheaper to go for incall and I have the time to travel to their location, I'll choose incall. But if there isn't that much of a difference in price, then outcall.

Location: Anywhere in Midtown is accessible, so that's my preference. I have seen providers outside of Manhattan, but those do take some planning on my end to figure out the travel time. And the provider has to be interesting enough for me to want to travel to their location.

You can try to host outside of Manhattan like Jersey City or Brooklyn, but most New Yorkers like myself would need a lot of persuasion to consider traveling outside of Manhattan.

[soloyo215]

I live part-time in NYC, and I have my own personal preferences, but I cannot speak for other new yorkers. I have a space where I can hose in an easy-access part of Manhattan (not midtown), but even with that I prefer to do incall. I have traveled to the other boroughs (except Staten Island) and to Jersey City. When I myself lived outside of NYC (in NJ), I'd still travel to the city, but within the boroughs. Additionally, I'm sure that there are others like me, part-time new yorkers.

That's just what works for me. Some people prefer to treat themselves by having everything catered to them, including the provider coming to their place with all the necessary gear.

My thoughts are that maybe a first time in NYC might not be as profitable, but if it gives you a clientele that in the future can be more stable, it might be a good investment, but that's a risk.

NYC is certainly insanely overpriced (beyond expensive), and I can see how venturing there might not bring you as much profit, but I could easily see it bringing some better profit if you get to establish a clientele there, not an easy task, but not impossible either.

I'm also the type of client who doesn't look for only body or porn fame, I do care about chemistry and personality, things that I know have made some providers without a muscular body stand out and get business.

And one last thing, I think that people in NYC are quite accustomed to pay more simply because it's NYC, so I can't recommend or tell you that it's OK to raise your rates in NYC, but you wouldn't be the first one to do so (I do not know how good of a business practice that is, though).

These are only my thoughts, not sure if they even address your questions.

Best wishes.

[pubic_assistance]

8 hours ago, nycman said:

 I’m lazy. As soon as I’m done fucking all I want to do is roll over and sleep, not get dressed and start heading home.

[+ Nyctravelers]

I live in Manhattan and for the first appointment, about 90 percent of the time I go to the provider’s location. I have only hosted the first time if someone has enough positive reviews here. I would not leave manhattan to see a provider, I live downtown and have never gone above the 50s to meet anyone.

i understand NY is expensive so that a massage would cost more here so that wouldn’t concern me at all but would need to be priced like a “regular” NYC provider. For me, that is about 200 for an hour for a massage.

just my thoughts 

 

[Quiet]

Thank you very much for starting this conversation. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to charge more if you make it to NYC. People should expect that given how expensive it is to stay in a decent hotel. However, I would think that staying outside of the city would generate a good client base and also minimize your costs. There are a lot of guys outside of the city, with cars, who would love to see someone like you. And since many are married, they’d have to come to you. 
 

If you do a long road trip, you could always make a few stops on the East Coast. Thanks again and good luck With your decision

[Gooberman]

As a client who lives in Queens (though very close to Manhattan via subway) and own a table I find some providers won't venture out. Or if they do it's at a high premium.

See what clients may have a table so you don't have to bring that. 

[+ sniper]

Lugging a table on the PATH and then subway just seems like a colossal hassle especially if there's any sort of weather to deal with.

Lately I'm seeing more traveling masseurs coming through in the suburbs in North Jersey on masseurfinder. You might be able to get a decent amount of business in, say, Morristown from the Jersy guys who normallu go into the city for it.

[Xavitv]

What exactly is outside of NYC here? I live in Manhattan and I don’t particular see Brooklyn or Queens as outside of NYC. I would be willing to travel to those two boroughs but other than that, it’s definitely “outside”. I do believe most clients prefer not to host in ny, even for massages. 

[mattr]

I live just outside of NYC and prefer to drive to any session, so a location other than Manhattan is fine with me. I do realize that I am in the minority.

Let me now if/when you are coming to the NYC area Simon so I can book an appointment.

 

[mattr]

On 10/22/2024 at 10:13 PM, pubic_assistance said:

Most parking garages are $40 to $50 anhour...one minute over and you're paying double that. Yeah...completely impractical to drive in NYC.

I use the SpotHero App to find reasonable (for Manhattan) parking  It's very easy to use and depending the the time and day of the week, I have paid as little as $15/hr for a garage or lot.

[BaronArtz]

Hi Simon, you ask many questions and all good ones.  I am not sure I can answer all of them 

I live in Manhattan and have hired escorts and masseurs for 20+ years.

1. NYC premium pricing - I don't care what you charge elsewhere as long as what you charge in NYC is more or less in line with local market conditions.

2.  I never host and only do incalls.  For very exceptional situations will I get a short term hotel room in Manhattan, via the dayuse app

3.  I will travel anywhere in Manhattan or perhaps Astoria.  I have never ventured beyond - there are just so many attractive options near me.

4.  I would be careful about disclosing how many clients you see per day.  I understand you need to make it work.  I don't need to know the details.  I certainly don't want to be client #5 or #6 out of 6 that day.  In fact, and I hope you don't take it personal, it would turn me off quite a bit.

You seem to be a very nice guy and I wish you success.

 

 

[pubic_assistance]

6 hours ago, BaronArtz said:

I certainly don't want to be client #5 or #6

[Simon Suraci]

Regarding the # of clients per day @BaronArtz mentioned: the majority of my clients are massage. Depending on the details of my client needs beyond massage, I would take maybe 0-2 escort clients a day. I don’t know if that makes a difference to you, but whether I am doing massage, escort work, or some combination, the pure economics of the thing make it unrealistic for me to see only 1-2 clients a day as a traveler. It may be more pleasant to imagine you are my first and only client in a 24 hr period, but that’s a fantasy given the economic factors at play. Maybe book in the morning, then? 😉 

So far in this thread I am hearing that to give myself a fighting chance of success, I really need to rent a decent incall space in Midtown Manhattan to capture the interest of a majority of my potential NYC client pool. Manhattan clients are unlikely to travel outside Midtown, and very unlikely to see me in other boroughs or peripheral cities. Clients on the periphery would be more likely to travel in to see me in Midtown.

[pubic_assistance]

5 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

the pure economics of the thing make it unrealistic for me to see only 1-2 clients a day.....

[GHart]

On 10/22/2024 at 8:58 PM, KensingtonHomo said:

I live in Brooklyn but have and will travel to NYC for a provider I really like. I can also host but usually that’s for me and my husband to get massages. That’s another angle to consider @Simon Suraci. If you’re traveling and willing to come to people’s homes, I think there are lots of couples who want to have in home massages. 

Brooklyn is in NYC. 

[+ nycman]

26 minutes ago, GHart said:

Brooklyn is in NYC. 

Says who?

grin

[GHart]

7 minutes ago, nycman said:

Says who?

grin

I’d be willing to secede if it meant Eric Adams were no longer my mayor!

[Becket]

Just now, GHart said:

I’d be willing to secede if it meant Eric Adams were no longer my mayor!

Very sneaky political comment, @GHart 😉

[Redwine56]

On 11/9/2024 at 4:34 PM, BaronArtz said:

Hi Simon, you ask many questions and all good ones.  I am not sure I can answer all of them 

I live in Manhattan and have hired escorts and masseurs for 20+ years.

1. NYC premium pricing - I don't care what you charge elsewhere as long as what you charge in NYC is more or less in line with local market conditions.

2.  I never host and only do incalls.  For very exceptional situations will I get a short term hotel room in Manhattan, via the dayuse app

3.  I will travel anywhere in Manhattan or perhaps Astoria.  I have never ventured beyond - there are just so many attractive options near me.

4.  I would be careful about disclosing how many clients you see per day.  I understand you need to make it work.  I don't need to know the details.  I certainly don't want to be client #5 or #6 out of 6 that day.  In fact, and I hope you don't take it personal, it would turn me off quite a bit.

You seem to be a very nice guy and I wish you success.

 

 

You make a good point but I'd bet Simon will treat #5 as well as #1. 😜

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 11/10/2024 at 8:21 PM, GHart said:

I’d be willing to secede if it meant Eric Adams were no longer my mayor!

Unfortunately for you, Eric Adams would most likely be the mayor of Brooklyn.  He formerly served as Brooklyn Borough President, and represented a district in Brooklyn when he served in the New York state legislature.

I've only visited New York as a tourist.  I've ventured out to Queens for a hookup once, but otherwise confined myself to Manhattan south of 96th Street for any hookups or hires.

[Simon Suraci]

6 hours ago, Redwine56 said:

You make a good point but I'd bet Simon will treat #5 as well as #1. 😜

Of course I would! 

I want my clients to feel valued and cared for. I wouldn’t be taking that many escort clients in a day anyway. If I can’t offer quality service, I won’t take the appointment, period. The donut meme upthread is funny, but frankly it’s a myth. I’m not having sex with every client, and of those, chances are I’m topping. Honestly it’s mostly massage, and that’s my strong point. I’m great at sex, but you have way hotter options around in NYC for sex and fewer men who can give a high quality massage. That’s where I shine.

Delivering a quality experience is very important to me, whether for massage or escorting. That’s why I tap out at 5 or 6 massages in a day, and of those appointments, only one or two, if any, would be escort clients. Plus I am washing my hands up to the elbows like a medical professional and/or showering between clients. Hygiene is not the issue here, nor my energy level. I have quite a bit of stamina but I know myself well enough to notice my massage quality goes down after 6 clients. That’s why I cap my daily max and stop taking clients. I deliver quality.

So no, whatever you have in your heads about being the sixth client of the day probably isn’t a fair or accurate picture of what’s actually happening when I travel. I do a good job. I’m responsible. I can’t say that for your other hires, but I can confidently say this about the way I operate.

[PileDriver]

sure...why not? depends on the transit situation...

[DunwoodyGuy]

Apologies for coming so late to this thread, but I usually look only at the Spas & Masseurs page. Speaking as a lifelong New Yorker (who now lives elsewhere)--and also speaking of someone who would jump at the chance to schedule a nice long session with you Simon!--I would say that , yes, unfortunately, New Yorkers would be wary of traveling outside the city.

But when I lived in Midtown Manhattan and hired a masseur who was somewhere else, I would base my decision on how far the masseur was from a subway, PATH, or train stop. If a masseur was at an apartment or a hotel that was a block or two away from the station, I would go. I remember going pretty far out in Brooklyn and Queens, and taking the PATH train to Jersey City and Hoboken. I even once took MetroNorth to a hotel in White Plains. I never walked more than a few blocks, and I had some excellent experiences.

SO...if you do it, and you find a place, be sure to state very clearly "One block from Journal Square" or  "Two blocks from the Wilson Avenue stop on the L line." (I remember that guy still as one of my favorite massages ever!)

Edited November 21, 2024 by DunwoodyGuy
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[massagefan320]

I am late to this thread but just read it.  I used to live in Manhattan, but now live in a NJ suburb.  I have travelled to Queens and Brooklyn to see masseurs, but I am in the minority.  If you want to come to NYC just to work, I think there are better cities that you would make more money that lack providers. 

NYC is very expensive and competitive.  NYC is not lacking providers, however good or bad they are.  You would have to justify it by wanting to visit the city/meet people irregardless of your business.  You might want to look into a swap where someone stays in your place in San Diego while you stay in their place in NYC, that is what some masseurs do.  You will not want or be able to carry around a massage table to outcalls without having a car.  Some subway stations don't have elevators and are very deep, for instance.  Having a car would be too expensive for you, (parking is a nightmare and expensive, etc.).  My suggestion is to rent one of the massage studios on 14th street (near the PATH train) every time you have an appointment (there are people who live in the city that do this, don't know the economics of it), and stay in Jersey City or somewhere cheaper, like a hostel or the Y, both uptown, if you are not picky.

 

Edit: I just read Simon's response to a poster about how to make traveling work.  In Simon's case, given the level of service he wishes to provide and his business acumen, I would lean on not even bothering with NYC.

 

Edited December 20, 2024 by massagefan320