battling for escort time with content creators

[viewing ownly]

With the gay porn awards in Las Vegas just a week away, I'm seeing more providers scheduling time to be in the city during that time frame. The first guy I saw who was available to my liking agreed to a date and time.

It is not an insult to the younger crowd, but in general, older guys tend to be more professional with keeping to a schedule. It would be my hope that if the person I booked would rather go out and have a night on the town with other escorts and adult movie actors that he would do the courtesy of backing out with plenty of notice so I could arrange someone else.

It's a four hour trip into the city from the boonies where I reside, so getting ghosted like I did on my birthday last year is not something I want to repeat.

[dbar123]

Usually making money trumps spending money 

[+ DynamicUno]

So, if I understand your post, the guy you booked hasn't yet said anything about backing out or not showing up.  I get the apprehension about the possibility the guy might no-show, but it's just a possibility at this point. 

Your best strategy is to check in with your guy a couple days ahead of the date to confirm he remembers the booking, especially if he's driving a good distance for your meeting.  Presumably you and he have already considered his compensation includes driving four hours in each direction. 

The porn awards are only relevant in that is a big event where there are opportunities to make just as much money with less hassle. In the future, it might be worth staying closer to the city so it's easier for guys to see you, and you have more options if the plans fall though.

 

Edited January 19 by DynamicUno

[maninsoma]

1 hour ago, DynamicUno said:

So, if I understand your post, the guy you booked hasn't yet said anything about backing out or not showing up.  I get the apprehension about the possibility the guy might no-show, but it's just a possibility at this point. 

Your best strategy is to check in with your guy a couple days ahead of the date to confirm he remembers the booking, especially if he's driving a good distance for your meeting.  Presumably you and he have already considered his compensation includes driving four hours in each direction. 

The porn awards are only relevant in that is a big event where there are opportunities to make just as much money with less hassle. In the future, it might be worth staying closer to the city so it's easier for guys to see you, and you have more options if the plans fall though.

 

I think you misread at least one thing in the OP.  The client is traveling four hours into the city to see the escort; he is not expecting an escort to travel four hours outside of Vegas to see him.  At least that's how I read it.

[rvwnsd]

9 hours ago, viewing ownly said:

With the gay porn awards in Las Vegas just a week away, I'm seeing more providers scheduling time to be in the city during that time frame. The first guy I saw who was available to my liking agreed to a date and time.

It is not an insult to the younger crowd, but in general, older guys tend to be more professional with keeping to a schedule. It would be my hope that if the person I booked would rather go out and have a night on the town with other escorts and adult movie actors that he would do the courtesy of backing out with plenty of notice so I could arrange someone else.

It's a four hour trip into the city from the boonies where I reside, so getting ghosted like I did on my birthday last year is not something I want to repeat.

Based on what you've written here, the date/time hasn't occurred yet. Therefore, the escort hasn't had the opportunity to either a) honor the playdate and give you a good time or b) cancel or flake on you. This might not be easy, but my suggestion is to avoid projecting the bad experience you had with a prior escort onto this escort. 

[marylander1940]

10 hours ago, viewing ownly said:

With the gay porn awards in Las Vegas just a week away, I'm seeing more providers scheduling time to be in the city during that time frame. The first guy I saw who was available to my liking agreed to a date and time.

It is not an insult to the younger crowd, but in general, older guys tend to be more professional with keeping to a schedule. It would be my hope that if the person I booked would rather go out and have a night on the town with other escorts and adult movie actors that he would do the courtesy of backing out with plenty of notice so I could arrange someone else.

It's a four hour trip into the city from the boonies where I reside, so getting ghosted like I did on my birthday last year is not something I want to repeat.

Agreed, in most cases the younger they are the shorter the attention spam and for God's sake you might have to ask them not to text during an extended time appointment. 

 

2 hours ago, DynamicUno said:

So, if I understand your post, the guy you booked hasn't yet said anything about backing out or not showing up.  I get the apprehension about the possibility the guy might no-show, but it's just a possibility at this point. 

Your best strategy is to check in with your guy a couple days ahead of the date to confirm he remembers the booking, especially if he's driving a good distance for your meeting.  Presumably you and he have already considered his compensation includes driving four hours in each direction. 

The porn awards are only relevant in that is a big event where there are opportunities to make just as much money with less hassle. In the future, it might be worth staying closer to the city so it's easier for guys to see you, and you have more options if the plans fall though.

 

 

10 hours ago, viewing ownly said:

With the gay porn awards in Las Vegas just a week away, I'm seeing more providers scheduling time to be in the city during that time frame. The first guy I saw who was available to my liking agreed to a date and time.

It is not an insult to the younger crowd, but in general, older guys tend to be more professional with keeping to a schedule. It would be my hope that if the person I booked would rather go out and have a night on the town with other escorts and adult movie actors that he would do the courtesy of backing out with plenty of notice so I could arrange someone else.

It's a four hour trip into the city from the boonies where I reside, so getting ghosted like I did on my birthday last year is not something I want to repeat.

I think the OP wants to drive to Vegas to see a provider (and I presume based on previous experiences) is concerned about getting ghosted.

1 hour ago, maninsoma said:

I think you misread at least one thing in the OP.  The client is traveling four hours into the city to see the escort; he is not expecting an escort to travel four hours outside of Vegas to see him.  At least that's how I read it.

That's exactly how I read it. 

[Boaxxx]

One suggestion would is get a relatively inexpensive hotel room so you can spend the night if ghosted. Even if you are not ghosted you can get some sleep or relax before heading back home. 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

I’d steer clear of any significant OF creator - why would they meet average people when they make more money filming with other hot people ?  If it looks like someone just dabbles in OF, then that’s different

i continue to be surprised at some here that set themselves up for obvious impending disappointment.  Take the easier & proven option - hires guys that meet with average type clients & make a living doing so.  Not complicated. 

[+ DynamicUno]

2 hours ago, maninsoma said:

I think you misread at least one thing in the OP.  The client is traveling four hours into the city to see the escort; he is not expecting an escort to travel four hours outside of Vegas to see him.  At least that's how I read it.

Yes, reading the OP again it looks like I misread who will be doing the traveling.  Since he will be in the city, I think he'd be in a good position to find alternate arrangements at the last minute if the first plan falls through.  Hopefully that won't happen if he keeps in communication with the provider and checks in a couple days ahead to reconfirm the date.  I hope he has a great time.

[marylander1940]

35 minutes ago, Boaxxx said:

One suggestion would is get a relatively inexpensive hotel room so you can spend the night if ghosted. Even if you are not ghosted you can get some sleep or relax before heading back home. 

Agreed, and @viewing ownly you should also have a plan B just in case. 

[soloyo215]

14 hours ago, viewing ownly said:

It would be my hope that if the person I booked would rather go out and have a night on the town with other escorts and adult movie actors that he would do the courtesy of backing out with plenty of notice so I could arrange someone else.

There never is a guarantee, even when you are in the room with the provider, so I agree that the best strategy is to remind him of your appointment (without being creepy/desparate about it).

[Thelatin]

If you were the provider, given the time, the place, what is going on that weekend, would you show up?

Good Luck.

[Pd1_jap]

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Its important to know our own limitations. If you're hiring exclusively young guys who are more than likely new to the business and, well ... just business in general, then certain proclivities are to be expected. 

It's taken years for me to feel comfortable saying no to people and to learn the fine art of calendar management. From the ages of 18–22, I over promised to so many people and over booked my time. It was a miracle if I showed up half the time to anything. 

If you want young boys, you're gonna have to deal with young boys drama. And if you find a young boy who schedules and delivers well without the drama; MARRY HIM Immediately!

[rvwnsd]

45 minutes ago, Thelatin said:

If you were the provider, given the time, the place, what is going on that weekend, would you show up?

Good Luck.

Let's see:

• Partying: Income: $0.00.
• Seeing a client for a few hours: $250 - $300/hour for three hours: Income: $750 - $900

If a guy wants to party with other content creators, he shouldn't advertise on Rentmen.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

51 minutes ago, rvwnsd said:

If a guy wants to party with other content creators, he shouldn't advertise on Rentmen

I agree with your statement above - but the income calculation is off.  
A successful creator needs new & fresh content to keep subscribers on OF and the corresponding revenue stream  A successful creator can make more with new content than a couple of hours with a client.  And if it’s a situation where many OF creators are in one city at a particular time then forget trying to schedule with them - they will be otherwise occupied filming. 

I see almost no overlap between successful OF creators & real  providers who do this for a living and meet with clients regularly.  There are alot of very young guys who do OF as primary work and then try to dabble as providers.  The two different paths do not seem to mix well.  Yes, there are a few exceptions- but not many.

Ive subscribed to some OF creators who advertise as providers to get a better sense before hiring - in every case their OF worked against them and I decided not to pursue. Plus, OF content is almost exclusively bareback with lots of different people - no thanks.

Edited January 20 by SouthOfTheBorder

[NJF]

There are only a limited number of OF members make more than 5k per month. That is why many advertise on RM. A multi hour appointment is financially quite attractive lol.

[marylander1940]

12 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

I agree with your statement above - but the income calculation is off.  
A successful creator needs new & fresh content to keep subscribers on OF and the corresponding revenue stream  A successful creator can make more with new content than a couple of hours with a client.  And if it’s a situation where many OF creators are in one city at a particular time then forget trying to schedule with them - they will be otherwise occupied filming. 

I see almost no overlap between successful OF creators & real  providers who do this for a living and meet with clients regularly.  There are alot of very young guys who do OF as primary work and then try to dabble as providers.  The two different paths do not seem to mix well.  Yes, there are a few exceptions- but not many.

Ive subscribed to some OF creators who advertise as providers to get a better sense before hiring - in every case their OF worked against them and I decided not to pursue. Plus, OF content is almost exclusively bareback with lots of different people - no thanks.

How they perform in OF is not exactly how they'll behave while being hired by a client. OF might give you a more accurate idea of how accurate their pictures are though. 

Taking an hour or 2 aside to see a client won't jeopardize their business, they can always film before and after seeing a client or next day. I know a local escort who has some hot videos fucking hot guys in his RM page, he also uploaded a faceless video of himself topping a 300 lbs. client just to show others he is open to all kinds of men. 

I don't want to take this thread out of subject, but PrEP has changed the game and good luck finding a guy who ONLY has sex using condoms in this day and age. This isn't the first time you bring this up, obviously in poor countries providing free PrEP and having a massive number of gay men getting tested every 3 months seems like a "moonshot". Our healthcare systems is not perfect and for God's sake we have a lot of self-inflicted wounds but everyone who wants PrEP can get it. 

If there's a will there's a way, filming a video at night and seeing a client during the day is doable. I think you simply talked to OF creators who were difficult and possibly saved yourself from a bad experience. 

Here's a link to an old and pre-Only Fans thread about hiring Brent Corrigan. He was a bit of a prima donna... 

10 hours ago, NJF said:

There are only a limited number of OF members make more than 5k per month. That is why many advertise on RM. A multi hour appointment is financially quite attractive lol.

Agreed, there's always room to squeeze a client who potentially will become a regular guy to see in Vegas a place most OF creators will visit over and over again. 

13 hours ago, rvwnsd said:

Let's see:

• Partying: Income: $0.00.
• Seeing a client for a few hours: $250 - $300/hour for three hours: Income: $750 - $900

If a guy wants to party with other content creators, he shouldn't advertise on Rentmen.

Yes, but RM is also a way to put his name out there, make money while contacting other escorts to film. 

22 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

 

i continue to be surprised at some here that set themselves up for obvious impending disappointment.  Take the easier & proven option - hires guys that meet with average type clients & make a living doing so.  Not complicated. 

Obvious impending disappointment because of trying to hire someone famous? To me a likely impending disappointment is hiring someone who lists PNP or who's clearly a fuckup. Being a successful OF creator involves being good looking but also having your life together in this world of multitasking where so many folks have a goldfish/microwave attention spam... 

If someone has an ad n RM, he knows most clients hopefully will be "average". Some guys ask for pics and stats because they just can't perform with guys who aren't at least HWP. Good luck in this business and specially in this country with that! 

@viewing ownly name names and we'll tell you if HE is reliable or not. 

Edited January 20 by marylander1940

[Thelatin]

14 hours ago, rvwnsd said:

Let's see:

• Partying: Income: $0.00.
• Seeing a client for a few hours: $250 - $300/hour for three hours: Income: $750 - $900

If a guy wants to party with other content creators, he shouldn't advertise on Rentmen.

It has been my experience that humans don't always make the best decisions  

[rvwnsd]

1 hour ago, marylander1940 said:

How they perform in OF is not exactly how they'll behave while being hired by a client. OF might give you a more accurate idea of how accurate their pictures are though. 

That is so very true and extends to how they perform with clients. I'm a bottom, so my experience with an escort will be irrelevant to another client who is a dominant top because I won't know whether the escort is versatile. However, how they behave, conduct themselves, look, and (ahem) rise to the occasion with me will be relevant. 

1 hour ago, marylander1940 said:

OF might give you a more accurate idea of how accurate their pictures are though. 

Oh, it certainly can! I've had two decision-changing experiences thanks to OF. One guy was pretty out of shape in his current OF videos, despite being buff in his pics. I changed my mind about hiring him. Another guy looked spectacular in his OF, not so much in his pics. We had a great time.

 

[rvwnsd]

20 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

I agree with your statement above - but the income calculation is off.  
A successful creator needs new & fresh content to keep subscribers on OF...

The specific scenario that raised the concern is:

On 1/18/2024 at 9:23 PM, viewing ownly said:

... It would be my hope that if the person I booked would rather go out and have a night on the town with other escorts and adult movie actors that he would do the courtesy of backing out with plenty of notice so I could arrange someone else....

not shooting content with other providers.

The income stream derived from going out on the town is still zero. Should the provider be paid to make an appearance at a venue, then the revenue is likely to be higher than the client's fee, but again that's not the topic being addressed.

Shooting content with other content creators is a different story altogether, but one needs to assess the incremental revenue derived from the video shot by the provider in the time he would have met with the client. When the video is sold as PPV, the income stream could be higher than that which is derived from an escort appointment. When the video is simply posted to the creator's OF wall and no additional charge is assessed, the incremental income derived from that video is close to or equal to zero. The exposure created by that one collaboration is minimal, unless that's one of a handful of videos. 

We won't get into the notion that everyone is within the top 1% - 2% of creators. 

 

Getting back to the original topic, let's give the provider a chance to make the date.

 

 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

As stated above, most OF guys are in their 20s who generally won't interest us. And, yes, many of them would instead create content with other 20-somethings than see middle-aged men. 

[big-n-tall]

IMHO, it depends on the provider.

There are guys who will flake on you in a heartbeat. However, there are guys who honor what they set up with you.

Years ago, I set up an appointment (ahead of time) with a well known porn actor. The day of the meeting, hours before the scheduled time, he let me know we were not going to meet. He flat out told me he set up a porn shoot that morning and needed to fly out. No apology, no remorse. 

On the flip side, a provider who've I been seeing a few times a year now has been one of the most reliable guys I've met in this hobby. He has done porn and has an onlyfans. We had set up a weekend and by happenstance a guy he wanted to shoot content was going to be in town the same time he was with me. We talked previously about how much he wanted to shoot with this guy. So I offered to let him go shoot content with the guy. I wouldn't count it against our time (since I told him he could). He told me no. He said it was sweet of me to offer but he was there with me and enjoyed being with me. He has been a very stand up guy from the moment we met.

Both the escorts in my examples were in their mid to early 30s. I would say it's not necessarily an age thing.

[Thelatin]

1 hour ago, KensingtonHomo said:

. And, yes, many of them would instead create content with other 20-somethings than see middle-aged men. 

Been there.  Helped them shoot the content - and then enjoyed the provider and his friend.   Gotta be helpful lol. 
 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

13 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

I don't want to take this thread out of subject, but PrEP has changed the game and good luck finding a guy who ONLY has sex using condoms in this day and age.

This is a matter of perspective & individual risk tolerance.  Also, very dependent on how active someone is with this hobby.

if someone hires providers rarely or few times a year - then I get it, go for & deal with the consequences.  I'm talking about STIs, not HIV....assuming most are on Prep or HIV meds.

If someone travels extensively and engages  providers frequently on those travels, then I just don't see BB as a practical option. Unless you want to always be going to the doctor in foreign countries, getting multiple tests done, waiting for the results and then taking medication for a week.  It's not a moral issue - it's just not practical.  And yes - there are so many STIs out there among sexually active men that it will happen if routinely engaging in bb sex.

 The only question is how many times does it need to happen for someone to learn the lesson ??

And yup - this would be precisely why I wouldn't hire an active OF creator...because no condoms on-screen and that likely means no condoms off-screen either.

Nobody likes condoms - they're not fun & not sexy.  Dealing with an STI is worse imo

Edited January 21 by SouthOfTheBorder

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

19 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

If someone travels extensively and engages  providers frequently on those travels, then I just don't see BB as a practical option. Unless you want to always be going to the doctor in foreign countries, getting multiple tests done, waiting for the results and then taking medication for a week.  It's not a moral issue - it's just not practical.  And yes - there are so many STIs out there among sexually active men that it will happen if routinely engaging in bb sex.

Agree 💯.

I routinely travel for leisure, usually including a multiple-week trip across several countries.  I realize how much of a pain it is (literally and figuratively) to catch an STI while away on holiday.  Therefore, I do a few little things with my schedule that helps.

1.  I avoid sex between the time of my doctor's visit (STI screenings) and the start of my extended travel.

2.  I'm open to using condoms my first week of travel, if only to avoid catching an STI at the beginning of a vacation.

3. I have noticed that in many foreign countries, providers will have a higher cost for bareback to offset the financial risk of being out of commission and paying for treatment if they catch an STI.  In that case, I am happy to take advantage of the discounted price at the beginning of my trip, and save my money for a blast (literally 😉) the last week of my vacation; by then I'm pretty much back to all bareback action. 🎉

4. When I return home from a trip abroad, I continue to avoid sex in my hometown for several weeks until I've completed another set of STI screenings with my doctor.  After all, I don't want to be bringing those foreign diseases into my community, especially directly to the people I regularly sleep with.

Edited January 21 by Vegas_Millennial