Do most clients tell you their realistic stats when they contact you?

[Hot4latin]

15 minutes ago, soloyo215 said:

I'd be curious to know if you treat clients differently when you know their stats than when you don't. Does it make a difference?

I'll take it a step further.  I'd be curious to know if providers charge differently when they know a potential client's stats.  Are there discounts for clients a provider is attracted to?  Are there hidden upcharges for "less than attractive" clients that the provider views as combat pay or to possibly dissuade the client from hiring?

[+ DrownedBoy]

I keep my stats on my RM profile. Any provider has a chance to look ahead of time.

When contacting someone new via text, I often include a link to that profile. The smarter and professional escorts will actually take time to read it. That's a filter I watch if they ask any additional questions.

If they ask me for my face pic, I send them one of the small portraits of Dr. Franklin I keep in my pocket. My face pic is a dealkiller.

EDIT: Anyone who ever read Franklin's autobiography will see how appropriate it is to use his face for such transactions.

Edited January 6 by DrownedBoy

[Simon Suraci]

1 hour ago, Hot4latin said:

I'll take it a step further.  I'd be curious to know if providers charge differently when they know a potential client's stats.  Are there discounts for clients a provider is attracted to?  Are there hidden upcharges for "less than attractive" clients that the provider views as combat pay or to possibly dissuade the client from hiring?

No, I do not charge differently. Unprofessional providers cherry pick and/or charge differently for each client based on their personal preferences. This is a service with value. It takes the same time and resources regardless of how the client looks. I am making the client my focus. I cum in the way he wants, when he wants, if he wants. Providers who treat this work like paid Grindr will not last long. I have hot clients and hideous ones and everyone else who is mostly in between. Doesn’t matter. I charge the same.

@Balthazar I am sad to hear that some providers would choose to not see you or perform poorly for you because you’re black. That leaves money on the table. It makes no sense. We still live in a world with systemic racism and cultural bias and it’s frustrating. Hiring should not be one of the ways these ongoing problems manifest, but apparently it is.

Some of my black clients have mentioned their race when contacting me and asked if I am ok seeing them. It saddens me because I know they are asking because they have faced discrimination in the past. I ensure them I see everyone and have experience with people of many different races. Their money is all the same to me, whatever color they are. I want their business.

Hiring is about having experiences with people you want to spend time with, not about appealing to someone like it’s a hookup based on personal preferences (which includes racist biases). The true professionals understand this and see everyone. You deserve a true professional when you hire. A true professional would never reject you or treat you differently because of your race. Good on you for testing things to see if you’re engaging a problem provider. You don’t want to waste your time with someone who has hangups. It just makes me sad that you have to ask. It shouldn’t have to be that way, but I get why you do.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

3 hours ago, Hot4latin said:

I'll take it a step further.  I'd be curious to know if providers charge differently when they know a potential client's stats.  Are there discounts for clients a provider is attracted to?  Are there hidden upcharges for "less than attractive" clients that the provider views as combat pay or to possibly dissuade the client from hiring?

I know of many escorts who privately do this.  It's their prerogative. 

Myself, I'd never upcharge based on someone's stats/race, but do institute a pain in my ass tax in the event it's warranted.  That means I have already have some understanding of who the client is and what he's looking for.  I wouldn't do that without having some existing relationship.

I'm lucky that nearly my whole stable of clients are easy-going and guys I genuinely enjoy, but there's always the exception...  And those exceptions pay more.  Sometimes a lot more.

Edited January 6 by BenjaminNicholas

[Guest]

I think a pain in the ass tax is fair; I suspect it usually involves something the client can control.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

5 minutes ago, Km411 said:

I suspect it usually involves something the client can control.

Exactly right.

And since they can control it, but don't, therein lies the need for the taxation.

Everyone gets what they want.  All's well that ends well.

Edited January 6 by BenjaminNicholas

[Hot4latin]

1 hour ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

…but do institute a pain in my ass tax in the event it's warranted. 

I can relate. I do the same thing in my RL job. There are clients out there who are guaranteed to be a time-suck and now I know to add about 10-20% to their job. But it’s not because they’re unpleasant. They just have a way of requesting more of me than originally scoped. 

[Simon Suraci]

8 minutes ago, Hot4latin said:

I can relate. I do the same thing in my RL job. There are clients out there who are guaranteed to be a time-suck and now I know to add about 10-20% to their job. But it’s not because they’re unpleasant. They just have a way of requesting more of me than originally scoped. 

This especially rings true in my architecture career. Clients are notoriously insensitive to scope creep and demanding a lot more than whatever is in the contract. The really egregious offenders we would still work with but increase our fees.

I take the same approach as @BenjaminNicholas but rarely have to, and never due to how someone looks or for something out of their control.

[Jamie21]

1 hour ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

And since they can control it, but don't, therein lies the need for the taxation.

I have the same approach. There are a few clients who have pain in the ass characteristics:

- making bookings and repeatedly cancelling or rescheduling so I spend loads of time scheduling.

-  having extremely demanding requirements (like wanting to over choreograph a massage).

- booking for difficult times. Example I say I’m available up to 4pm on Tuesday…and he then asks for 4:30pm (done on purpose to exert control). 

These clients pay more than my standard rate. I don’t mind what they look like. In fact I like the variety of different clients, big, small, older, younger, different races and colours etc. It’s the wonder of the job, the opportunity to find out that despite all the outward differences there’s some things that apply universally. 
 

 

 

 

 

[+ DrownedBoy]

2 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

No, I do not charge differently. Unprofessional providers cherry pick and/or charge differently for each client based on their personal preferences.

The thing is, I've seen ads where they offer "college specials" and discounts for "fit" clients. Also, I'm sure both providers and clients have encountered situations where, for some reason or another, the provider decides to do more because he finds it pleasurable.

[Simon Suraci]

1 hour ago, DrownedBoy said:

The thing is, I've seen ads where they offer "college specials" and discounts for "fit" clients. Also, I'm sure both providers and clients have encountered situations where, for some reason or another, the provider decides to do more because he finds it pleasurable.

Yes, this definitely happens. Doing more for a client but charging the same is quite common. Better this scenario than charging differently for the same service based on age/looks/etc, I suppose. Neither is good though. I strive to deliver excellence to every client.

I used to advertise student and youth discounts, not because I prefer those clients (I find them less reliable on average), but because I was trying to expand by diversifying my client base. Over time I have come to realize that my client demographics skew older no matter what I do and that younger men and students typically don’t hire for a lot of understandable reasons, chiefly among them being cost. Even with a discount, my services are too expensive for the average student or youth 18-25. The few that do hire me will pay my regular rate anyway, so it doesn’t matter. No more discounts.

My client age demographics transition along a bell curve starting with a pretty shallow slope from 25 to 35 and then steepens a lot at 40+. 30 somethings make up a decent chunk, maybe as much as the 70 something bunch. Very few clients are under 22, but I have them once in a while. I had a 19yo twink massage client some months back. He was a barista, and had seriously among the largest cocks I have ever seen…crazy. I digress. My typical client is in his 50s at the top of the curve, with plenty of 40s and 60s on either side making up the camel hump shape, and then it tapers back down in the 70+ category, and then shallows quite precipitously in the 80+ category.

Since most clients are over 40 and under 70, any provider or masseur that isn’t comfortable with that should seek a new career. The twenty something hottie on Grindr is unlikely to sustain your living, and certainly not if you discount. 

It’s ok to relish the pleasure of working on someone you find attractive, but a good provider never lets it get away from him. It’s still all about the client, not about you getting something out of it besides money. Professionals know that and approach their work accordingly. The others advertise “fit” discounts and the like. Avoid those. It’s a sign of a less professional provider.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

12 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

et. My face pic is a dealkiller.

A deal killer meaning you won’t send it or the provider won’t see you? 

[DWnyc]

16 hours ago, Hot4latin said:

I'll take it a step further.  I'd be curious to know if providers charge differently when they know a potential client's stats.  Are there discounts for clients a provider is attracted to?  Are there hidden upcharges for "less than attractive" clients that the provider views as combat pay or to possibly dissuade the client from hiring?

I’m sure I’ve seen ads basically saying that (discount if you’re “hot”). 

I’m pretty sure there are some providers who won’t turn anyone away but give them less than stellar service if they are not attracted to them or have some feature they find problematic - age, body type, race, “masc vs femme” etc

One provider shared w me once that he had some tricks if he’s bored or really not into a client - the most outrageous of which was pretending they’re not clean down there … as he described it, that typically sends them into deep embarrassment, they run to the bathroom, by the time they come out they’re desperate to leave even if all that hasn’t used up the remaining time.

Yes I’d rather have a provider reject me before meeting if it can lead to that but I’d rather this wasn’t an issue in what’s supposed to be different from regular hooking up. 

 

Edited January 7 by DWnyc

[+ DrownedBoy]

15 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

A deal killer meaning you won’t send it or the provider won’t see you? 

I don't send it. Ever.