Toronto provider detained by US Immigration and refused entry

[marylander1940]

20 hours ago, BuffaloKyle said:

Rentmen is based overseas. The US government can't get that from them.

 

long thread on the subject! 

 

 

20 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

This isn't anything new...  I knew of two different Canadians denied US entry and this was YEARS ago... one missed a JIMMY Z ( rip ) show in fact. 

 

Agreed! 

 

Edited November 18, 2023 by marylander1940

[Simon Suraci]

Yes, please do read the previous post @marylander1940 took the time to reference. Lots of discussion on there re: same subject.

[+ keroscenefire]

1 hour ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

Whether the law is "idiotic" or not, is still THE LAW. And if you are a Canadian citizen, I suggest you contact your MP to change the law. Probably sooner rather than later because if the polls are accurate, Trudeau's government will get shellacked at the next election.

And what exactly do Larry Flint and Congressmen paying for sex have to do with Canadian immigration officers enforcing their border laws? 
Do you object to Canadian border patrol doing their job by preventing non-citizens they suspect may be trying to cross their border to work illegally? 

BTC

I think this is actually US Customs and Border Protection denying entry to Canadian sex workers entering the US.  There would be no point in Canadians contacting their MPs about US laws. 

[marylander1940]

8 minutes ago, keroscenefire said:

I think this is actually US Customs and Border Protection denying entry to Canadian sex workers entering the US.  There would be no point in Canadians contacting their MPs about US laws. 

It's a reflex! He had to say something about Canada's PM!

Edited November 18, 2023 by marylander1940

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

23 hours ago, TorontoDrew said:

A Toronto provider I know was recently held in confinement for 14 hours at US Immigration, questioned and ultimately refused entry.

I would recommend to any non US based provider to hide their face on RM if they ever plan to travel to the US for any reason.  I recently contacted a new Toronto provider and recommended removing his face for this reason.

I dont know for sure how they are recognizing sex workers but they are getting the information some how.

He posted this article on Twitter.

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Vague and discriminatory laws can bar sex workers from entering the US, but they’re inconsistently applied...

 

What is the original question?

[Simon Suraci]

Here is another thread to cross reference that veers into related discussions about CBP and providers taking risks crossing borders, particularly the US border. The question there had more to do with why providers obscure/chop their faces. CBP is a lot of that reason why.

I don’t have a six pack or a medically enhanced bedonk, or a 10” snake, so the clients who hire me often do so because they can see - and like - my face. (Humbly, I know I’m not for everyone). A lot of clients really like my body just the way it is and tell me to never to change it. That’s sweet, but if all I showed was below the neck, I’m sure I wouldn’t even get half the new clients. I’m realistic about how clients shop for providers. I have to present the best of myself. 

For some providers, showing face is necessary, and part of their brand. How else can I exhibit my warm, welcoming attitude when a client can’t see my smile and my eyes? Anyway, at least for me, hiding my face is not an option, and even if it was, that ship has sailed. I’m almost certainly already in the big brother databases.

When I travel I have to take steps to avoid having anything incriminating on my devices. It’s a pain managing that process every time I cross a border, but absolutely necessary.

 

[randeman]

3 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Yes, I'm a US citizen, which by US law means they cannot deny me entry into my own country.

That said, it doesn't mean that other countries and CBPs can't be shitheads if they want to be.  

... And they sometimes want to be.  

Well, that was my point...you're an American and must be allowed in, subject to you not being suspected of criminal behavior (and they would still let you in most likely since they'd need to let you in to arrest you).  The "Toronto provider" is assumedly not an American.  Therefore, him being barred and you not being barred (entry into the US) might well be because of two people with different citizenships.

[+ BOZO T CLOWN]

2 hours ago, keroscenefire said:

I think this is actually US Customs and Border Protection denying entry to Canadian sex workers entering the US.  There would be no point in Canadians contacting their MPs about US laws. 

Correct.

Either way, Immigration officers on both sides of the border have a job to do. Part of their mission is to prevent people they suspect may be trying to work illegally from crossing over.
They have a tough job. We should support law enforcement.

BTC

[marylander1940]

3 hours ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

Correct.

Either way, Immigration officers on both sides of the border have a job to do. Part of their mission is to prevent people they suspect may be trying to work illegally from crossing over.
They have a tough job. We should support law enforcement.

BTC

Yes, at all times we should support law enforcement agents of all types! 

Edited November 19, 2023 by marylander1940

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

3 hours ago, randeman said:

Well, that was my point...you're an American and must be allowed in, subject to you not being suspected of criminal behavior (and they would still let you in most likely since they'd need to let you in to arrest you).  The "Toronto provider" is assumedly not an American.  Therefore, him being barred and you not being barred (entry into the US) might well be because of two people with different citizenships.

What I was basically saying is that turnabout is fair play when it comes to the correlation between Canadian and US CBP agencies.  They're both known for being difficult.

We get scrutinized there just as much as we scrutinize them coming here.

If Canada wanted to, they could bar any foreigner (ie, me) from entering for as long as they see fit.

Edited November 18, 2023 by BenjaminNicholas

[DMICS]

As someone that has experienced this, it's a pretty humiliating experience. While I am not a sex worker, I was banned in 2015 from travelling to the U.S. via air for six years. I was on my way to Miami for a week get away to meet up with some buddies for a big live event that my friend organizes down there. 

To this day I still don't know what triggered me being sent to U.S. immigration-interrogation, but I was there for about 7 hours, missing my flight, fingerprinted and picture taken before being escorted out to the main concourse in front of hundreds of passengers. 

During interrogation they ripped one of my pants, asked personal questions like how much was in my bank account, how much credit do I have and how much cash I have on me. I definitely responded with attitude and snarky answers which got the agent even more angry and on a power trip. They went through my iPhone, saw promo flyers etc for the event in Miami and created a story that I was going to Miami to make money DJing, with no plans of returning (the agent by mistake only printed a one-way ticket when I paid for a round-trip, which I didn't realize until it was too late). 

I didn't have energy to fight the ban, so for those six years I'd either drive to Buffalo, have a friend drive me there, or take an express bus there then fly out of Buffalo to wherever in the USA. By land it's easy going through vs. the nonsense you deal with U.S. (or Canadian) agents when flying.

 

On 11/17/2023 at 7:56 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

When you cross-borders on a frequent basis, you learn every trick to avoid detection, including how to immediately lock your iPhone in a way that it demands a password (not FaceID).

You also travel with electronics that don't have sensitive info on them or if they do, it's encrypted. 

I travel internationally a lot and have never had an issue.  

A lot of guys who get nailed by a CBP don't exactly work to 'blend in' when transiting into another country.  

 

Correct, after that experience I've learned a lot. No RM contact until I land. No photos or videos that agents-officers can use as evidence to deny me from travelling. 

 

15 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Canada does the same too…

Crossing borders is just too much. You pretty much have to invent an entire legitimate reason to be going, and not even think about anything you might be doing. 

That said, I’ve lost interest in hopes of going to Canada. But if I were to do it again, definitely would stick to train or air, use a clean phone and device, have everything laid out.

Like @BenjaminNicholas said, they want your whole life story, how much money you bringing, etc etc.

Plus it’s too damn cold up there lol. If I want to go to Canada, I can just go to Minnesota or New York and that’s pretty much Canada for somebody from Florida lol.

 

Yup, gotta have your story air-tight and have nothing on you that an officer-agent can assume something else. 

[NYXboy]

11 hours ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

Whether the law is "idiotic" or not, is still THE LAW. And if you are a Canadian citizen, I suggest you contact your MP to change the law. Probably sooner rather than later because if the polls are accurate, Trudeau's government will get shellacked at the next election.

And what exactly do Larry Flint and Congressmen paying for sex have to do with Canadian immigration officers enforcing their border laws? 
Do you object to Canadian border patrol doing their job by preventing non-citizens they suspect may be trying to cross their border to work illegally? 

BTC

Bozo: It's the US govt that is doing this, not the Canadian.

[+ DynamicUno]

I would not count on land crossings being safer, either road or rail. They are being just as strict at those ports of entry as by air. I met with an escort in Montreal recently who told me he had been denied entry and banned for ten years when driving to meet a client in Vermont.

I also took the train to Montreal on the same trip, and we were held at the border for about two hours while they processed the passengers.  Apparently at least one passenger was denied entry.

I'm my case, I might have been denied entry myself.  The CBP officer was skeptical about my explanation that I was a rail travel enthusiast and was just going to Montreal for an overnight planning on returning to the US the following day.  I had to show him my return ticket and hotel reservation on my phone.  This was just after the events of October 7, which may have been a factor.

 

[marylander1940]

9 hours ago, DynamicUno said:

I would not count on land crossings being safer, either road or rail. They are being just as strict at those ports of entry as by air. I met with an escort in Montreal recently who told me he had been denied entry and banned for ten years when driving to meet a client in Vermont.

I also took the train to Montreal on the same trip, and we were held at the border for about two hours while they processed the passengers.  Apparently at least one passenger was denied entry.

I'm my case, I might have been denied entry myself.  The CBP officer was skeptical about my explanation that I was a rail travel enthusiast and was just going to Montreal for an overnight planning on returning to the US the following day.  I had to show him my return ticket and hotel reservation on my phone.  This was just after the events of October 7, which may have been a factor.

 

There's no reason why legally entering a country by land or air could be different or "safer". 

ICE agents constantly check the ID of Amtrak travelers in Vermont, northern region of NY state and even trains that depart Chicago along the great lakes to Detroit and other destinations.

You got lucky they didn't check your phone to discover the true reasons of your trip and "flag" you from now on. 

[pubic_assistance]

On 11/17/2023 at 5:07 PM, rvwnsd said:

We don't know whether female sex workers are also being detained. I'm going to guess they are.

Of course they are.

Fighting "Sex trafficking"  is a very current movement in Government. And like trawling for fish, their net is catching all varieties of sex workers in the search for victims of sex slavery.

[Colton]

On 11/18/2023 at 9:53 AM, marylander1940 said:

Gabriel Cross' iPhone was searched by ICE a few years ago, he got kicked out and he won't be allowed in the USA for 10 years. 

 

 

I thought his issue was that he overstayed the number of days a visitor is allowed to stay.  

[marylander1940]

43 minutes ago, Colton said:

I thought his issue was that he overstayed the number of days a visitor is allowed to stay.  

no, that wasn't the case. He would space his trips here, to make it look as nothing but tourism, unfortunately in his last trip out of the blue his phone was searched for the very first time and he got kicked out of the country and banned for 10 years. 

I know escorts who save information about clients, dates, in a file hidden in their phones or simply email themselves that information to an account they open once they're inside the country. Some even link regular emails to their phones before crossing borers "just in chase". Unfortunately, he wasn't cautious. 

Edited November 22, 2023 by marylander1940

[BuffaloKyle]

Well the border patrol has other things to worry about for sure now unfortunately. The rainbow bridge and the peace bridge are the two closest bridges by me.

FBI investigating ‘vehicle explosion’ that killed 2 car occupants at Rainbow Bridge on US-Canadian border | CNN

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Federal authorities in Buffalo, New York, are investigating a “vehicle explosion” at the Rainbow Bridge border crossing between US and Canada, adding that the...

 

[56harrisond]

7 hours ago, BuffaloKyle said:

Well the border patrol has other things to worry about for sure now unfortunately. The rainbow bridge and the peace bridge are the two closest bridges by me.

FBI investigating ‘vehicle explosion’ that killed 2 car occupants at Rainbow Bridge on US-Canadian border | CNN

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Federal authorities in Buffalo, New York, are investigating a “vehicle explosion” at the Rainbow Bridge border crossing between US and Canada, adding that the...

 

Update:

 

Hochul: 'No indication' of terrorism in fatal car crash, explosion at Rainbow Bridge

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On the day before a national holiday, walking distance from Niagara Falls – one of the world’s natural wonders that draws millions of people annually – the peace was shattered by an explosion caused by a car crashing into an obstacle near a U.S. Customs and Border Protection inspection booth.

Law enforcement authorities did not know what caused the explosion on the Rainbow Bridge, and U.S. and Canadian officials weren’t taking any chances, shutting down traffic in both directions to all four international crossings between Western New York and Canada as they looked into whether an act of terror was committed on Western New York’s doorstep.

Two people died in a vehicle that exploded on the American side of the Rainbow Bridge in Niagara Falls late Wednesday morning, a federal law enforcement source said, prompting the closure of all four Niagara region bridges between the United States and Canada.

But within six hours, local, state and federal officials gave the word: It was not.

Gov. Kathy Hochul said in a news conference at the scene at 5 p.m. that “there is no indication of a terrorist attack.” Erie County Sheriff John Garcia said the crash was “a very unfortunate fatal car accident.”

Later Wednesday night, after being briefed by representatives of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the White House, U.S. Sen. Chuck Schumer said it is clear the vehicle crash is not related to terrorist activity.

The FBI’s Evidence Response Team on the site of the accident swabbed for explosives and there was no evidence of any chemicals or substances that would create an explosion, Schumer said.

He added that the FBI knows the identity of the man who owns the vehicle involved in the crash and his wife, who was also in the vehicle, and it has found no connection between them and any terrorist group or criminal activity.

The names of the victims are still not being released at this time, but Schumer said more details are likely to come out tomorrow, on Thanksgiving Day. The investigation is continuing.

“I think we can all breathe a sigh of relief that this horrible accident was not terror related," Schumer said.

Authorities said the cause of the incident was still currently under investigation.

Video from the scene showed a fire quickly spreading in the plaza and a huge plume of black smoke billowing into the sky. Other images that circulated on social media appeared to show charred remnants of a shattered vehicle strewn about the plaza.

Two people inside the vehicle were dead and a customs officer was injured.

Hochul said the investigation would likely take a long time.

“This vehicle basically incinerated; there is nothing left but the engine,” she said.

She also said that the authorities “have identified that this is a local individual.”

According to two local law enforcement sources with knowledge of the investigation, the vehicle involved was a relatively new Bentley, and the two occupants of the car were from Western New York. Earlier in the day, the pair were at the Seneca Niagara Casino, the sources said. They were traveling at a high speed as they approached the bridge. Investigators are looking at the possibility that the driver had a medical incident or there was a malfunction with the vehicle.

A video obtained by NBC News appeared to show a vehicle speeding on Niagara Street before going airborne at the bridge entrance.

Immediately after the crash, U.S. and Canadian authorities shut down not only the Rainbow Bridge, but also the Peace Bridge, Lewiston-Queenston Bridge and Whirlpool Bridge. All but the Rainbow Bridge were reopened by about 5 p.m.

At Buffalo Niagara International Airport, flights continued but security was greatly heightened. NFTA police with K9 units checked each car that entered the airport and passengers were subjected to extra screenings.

Officials set up a checkpoint to inspect cars entering the Buffalo Airport on Wednesday.

Buffalo City Hall and three Erie County buildings, including the Rath Building, the old County Court House and Family Court, closed early on Wednesday as a precaution. The Jewish Community Center of Greater Buffalo’s two campuses in Amherst and Buffalo announced to members that, under the advice of law enforcement, they decided to close through the Thanksgiving holiday. Turkey Trot organizers said they were keeping in touch with law enforcement, but the annual race is expected to go on as scheduled.

A customs officer working at the crossing was injured in the incident. Niagara Falls Memorial Medical Center has evaluated and treated “a single patient with non-life-threatening injuries” from the incident, said Sean Dwyer, the hospital’s marketing director. That patient, a border patrol agent, has already been discharged from the hospital, Dwyer added.

The FBI Office in Buffalo was leading the investigation. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was aiding in the investigation, along with Homeland Security Investigations. Garcia told The News that his specialty teams are involved in the investigation, as well.

The car explosion made national news and drew attention from the top leaders of Washington, D.C.

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said on X, formerly known as Twitter, that President Biden was aware of the incident.

“The president has been briefed on the vehicle explosion at the Rainbow Bridge Port of Entry. He and his team are closely following developments,” Jean-Pierre wrote.

Schumer and fellow Senator Kirsten Gillibrand both were briefed by the FBI.

Paul Edwards, of England, and Gloria Fiorito, of Hamilton, Ontario, were on their way back from the outlets in Erie, Pa., shopping for holiday gifts for their grandchildren when they noticed the commotion at the Rainbow Bridge entrance.

“We went on a little getaway for the night. We were looking for deals, which we found,” Fiorito said. “We were really looking forward to being home today.”

The couple got out of their car after seeing emergency vehicles gathered at the entrance to the Rainbow Bridge.

They approached reporters gathered at the corner of Niagara and Third streets and said they didn’t know at first why the bridge was closed.

“Because it’s Niagara Falls, I’m sure (the news coverage) will spread all over the world,” Edwards said.

The couple booked a hotel room for the night and said they would try to cross the bridge again on Thursday. They were thankful to not be closer to the scene of the explosion.

“You never know what could have happened,” Edwards said.

[pubic_assistance]

They must have been driving one of those Hollywood cars that blows up dramatically when you have an accident.

[NJF]

8 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

They must have been driving one of those Hollywood cars that blows up dramatically when you have an accident.

It was a $300,000 Bentley

[+ FrankR]

32 minutes ago, NJF said:

It was a $300,000 Bentley

Ha!

[+ purplekow]

5 hours ago, NJF said:

It was a $300,000 Bentley

Reports are that is was a $300000 Bentley and that they were going to Canada to exchange money.    Car goes out of control and blows up.  Move on,  Nothing suspicious here.  

[+ purplekow]

13 hours ago, purplekow said:

Reports are that is was a $300000 Bentley and that they were going to Canada to exchange money.    Car goes out of control and blows up.  Move on,  Nothing suspicious here.  

An escort being denied entry is a mystery since many here pay for just the opposite, eagerly waiting to accept entry.  

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

On 11/23/2023 at 7:40 AM, FrankR said:

This GIF is the best.  An insanely quotable film.