Extortion advice?

[DWnyc]

On 10/22/2023 at 2:38 PM, MikeBiDude said:

I've never had a provider NOT return a call/text from my iPhone burner app. Never. But the Burner does prevent  provider's rants if things don't work out.

Same experience (never really had a provider not return a call) and most people I’ve discussed this with use burners. It’s more like duh, why would you do anything else? 

And btw @JTtorretto many if not most  providers I know also use burners. Similarly I would expect nothing else. Given that many providers sometimes disappear and reappear, often with new profiles and names and numbers, something tells me they must have good reasons to use burners themselves. 

 

[robberbaron4u]

Does anyone have any knowledge as to what has become of Danny, the escort of reference, in this matter? Having had a brief acquaintance with him, I was aware that he had "issues" for which he had sought professional counselling apart from having endured a wretched home life. 

[+ azdr0710]

20 minutes ago, robberbaron4u said:

Does anyone have any knowledge as to what has become of Danny, the escort of reference, in this matter? Having had a brief acquaintance with him, I was aware that he had "issues" for which he had sought professional counselling apart from having endured a wretched home life. 

I believe "Danny" is a London provider who was attempting to blackmail @secgoo ......the provider extorting @Rgsnva , the original thread subject, is not the same

[robberbaron4u]

19 minutes ago, azdr0710 said:

I believe "Danny" is a London provider who was attempting to blackmail @secgoo ......the provider extorting @Rgsnva , the original thread subject, is not the same

Yes, thank you for the clarification and amplification as to the particular provider. In my own experience with him, I did not have any "problems". I know that, having been "stiffed" on his fee and marooned on Ibiza, he had become very wary of clients' representations to him.  Too, as noted, he had a rather bad "shake" in life. And, yes, I know "who hasn't". Nonetheless, I came across a thank you note he had written to me, a small gesture, and, I was given to wondering what had become of him. 

[Guest]

Danny/Dillon/EnglishKnight/KnightBoy is still actively trying to blackmail/extort money from people. 

I still have users of this forum message me directly for advice, one guy as recently as this weekend.

On Saturday I discovered the solicitor who has previously dealt with Danny so my advice has now changed to contact this solicitor...

Tim Thompson - Kangs Criminal Defence Solicitors | VAT & Tax Solicitors

WWW.KANGSSOLICITORS.CO.UK

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Tim is a Partner and the Head of the Tax Litigation Team at Kangs Solicitors. An experienced litigation solicitor, Tim...

 

 

[Guest]

Also, Danny/Dylan/KnightBoy/EnglishKnight is a member of this forum with multiple accounts (not just the two accounts he used to defend himself when I posted my original warning about him). He is using these accounts to harass members of this forum so my advice on that topic is to message the moderators in this channel...

https://www.companyofmen.org/forum/127-ask-a-moderator/

[SouthOfTheBorder]

On 10/12/2023 at 4:29 AM, Peter Eater said:

It is one thing to say the situation sounds odd, and pose questions because of it. It’s another to say the story “doesn’t pass the smell test.” Translation: You’re a liar.

there are many things posted in this forum that “don’t pass the smell test” - and it’s usually obvious. 
For the clients here that have long history of hiring, or providers with years of experience - it’s easy to spot stories that don’t make sense, are a one-sided version of events, or just absurd statements/questions not based in reality.  

As for contacting lawyers - bad advice & costly. A simple letter from a lawyer can cost $3500 and it’s just that - a letter.  Going beyond a letter will get expensive quick at $350 - $700 per hour. Restraining orders are not simple things to get and that’s even more money.  Maybe filing a police report would help, but the police will want to know the exact circumstances of meeting the blackmailer & number of times meeting the person. Lying to the police is terrible advice - when they figure out the truth (and they will), then the complaint will be completely discredited. 

While vast majority of providers would never blackmail - it’s always a good idea to limit the personal information disclosed.  Providers usually do the same unless they have public social media in their real names.  One of the main reasons to hire is to keep things private & discreet.  

[Guest]

Indeed it can be costly but I know of a client on this forum that has been blackmailed into sending nearly £2000 to a provider (they never met).

Seeking legal advice is totally dependent on the personal circumstances and financial situation.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

2 minutes ago, secgoo said:

Seeking legal advice is totally dependent on the personal circumstances and financial situation.

exactly correct.  

However, it’s usually people with very little experience with lawyers that are quick to recommend getting a lawyer.  The first thing they always offer is a letter & that can mean nothing in a legal context, except if it’s a Cease & Desist.  Beyond that, it’s filing an actual lawsuit and that is completely unrealistic in the circumstances described. 

In my professional life, I worked with dozens of lawyers on every subject imaginable. It’s never quick, easy or inexpensive- even for obvious egregious basic things.  
Lawyers are in the business to make money - not get justice served. Even if you happen to find an honest attorney interested in offering real help, it’s still insanely expensive.

 

[robberbaron4u]

3 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

there are many things posted in this forum that “don’t pass the smell test” - and it’s usually obvious. 
For the clients here that have long history of hiring, or providers with years of experience - it’s easy to spot stories that don’t make sense, are a one-sided version of events, or just absurd statements/questions not based in reality.  

As for contacting lawyers - bad advice & costly. A simple letter from a lawyer can cost $3500 and it’s just that - a letter.  Going beyond a letter will get expensive quick at $350 - $700 per hour. Restraining orders are not simple things to get and that’s even more money.  Maybe filing a police report would help, but the police will want to know the exact circumstances of meeting the blackmailer & number of times meeting the person. Lying to the police is terrible advice - when they figure out the truth (and they will), then the complaint will be completely discredited. 

While vast majority of providers would never blackmail - it’s always a good idea to limit the personal information disclosed.  Providers usually do the same unless they have public social media in their real names.  One of the main reasons to hire is to keep things private & discreet.  

Odd? Yes, indeed. Very "funny". Funny " peculiar", not funny "ha ha".

[robberbaron4u]

5 hours ago, secgoo said:

Danny/Dillon/EnglishKnight/KnightBoy is still actively trying to blackmail/extort money from people. 

I still have users of this forum message me directly for advice, one guy as recently as this weekend.

On Saturday I discovered the solicitor who has previously dealt with Danny so my advice has now changed to contact this solicitor...

Tim Thompson - Kangs Criminal Defence Solicitors | VAT & Tax Solicitors

WWW.KANGSSOLICITORS.CO.UK

---

Tim is a Partner and the Head of the Tax Litigation Team at Kangs Solicitors. An experienced litigation solicitor, Tim...

 

 

This solicitor's specialty is white collar, corporate crime in the capacity of a defense man. Given that position in the game, he would be defending Danny. 

[Guest]

I don't know his reasons for doing what he's done previously, I'm just passing on the company info for someone who has helped another victim 

[LookingAround]

So much misinformation in this thread. Non-lawyers crowing as if they know everything and with certitude. 
If you are the victim of serious extortion you need a good attorney. Often criminal defense attorneys represent victims as well. 
Find a really good attorney and go from there. 

[JTtorretto]

On 11/16/2023 at 6:46 PM, LookingAround said:

So much misinformation in this thread. Non-lawyers crowing as if they know everything and with certitude. 
If you are the victim of serious extortion you need a good attorney. Often criminal defense attorneys represent victims as well. 
Find a really good attorney and go from there. 

EXACTLY this... 

 

"If you are the victim of **serious extortion** you need a good attorney".

 

An example: Jarek Wentworth, who attempted to extort 1.5 million from Republican donor Donald Burns.

THAT is serious actual real extortion.  
 

An escort whos not been paid in full and is owed 200-500 (for example) is NOT "committing" "extortion" tho that word is often used by sleazy creeps trying to out hustle escorts and underpay.

[LookingAround]

Correct. 

[dylanb100]

if you guys are wondering why the guy making all the false claims deleted his profile its because the guy was making all these false claims so had to delete his profile :') haha with a splash of harassing, stalking and actively trying to cause me as much harm as possible- and all because i told him to stop trying to exploit young men for naked photos and using fake bookings to do it.... the guys a pervert with no money to spare, who spends his evenings preying on young, vulnerable men, misleading them with false bookings in order to talk his dirty talk and run away with a few pics just when he's 'about to head over'... i never delete my chats, the guy was a serial offender, and it took three years for me to finally ask him to stop and that was that.... the guy decided to dedicate the time he should've spent looking for a job, trying to take me down haha madness....  i would like to say though, i did attempt to post evidence on this thread at one point which, despite finally bringing some truth to the circus, was aggressively removed and yet this serial predator was continuously allowed to post completely false and defamatory comments over and over and over again, which raises serious questions about the purpose / intent behind the platform in general. surely anyone on either side working so hard to target someone in this way is clearly a little unstable, too invested and at least questionable? haha  it was nice to see that some of you gents had enough common sense and integrity to see through the dirt, i don't know you but i appreciate you 😘 ps. ps. again- for what its also worth, i never did escorting for the money, i cared about the people and it was sadly because the people got a little too much like our little runaway friend dave, that i stepped away from it. anyway, haha blast from the past. hope everyone had a lovely xmas  😘 hahaha bloody lawyer dealing with me before :@) !!

[Oakman]

Pro writing tip: long paragraphs make a writer look insane. 

[robberbaron4u]

By last report of him, he was an inmate at Broadmoor Hospital, a very sad situation. 

[BrooklynIrish]

2 hours ago, dylanb100 said:

if you guys are wondering why the guy making all the false claims deleted his profile its because the guy was making all these false claims so had to delete his profile :') haha with a splash of harassing, stalking and actively trying to cause me as much harm as possible- and all because i told him to stop trying to exploit young men for naked photos and using fake bookings to do it.... the guys a pervert with no money to spare, who spends his evenings preying on young, vulnerable men, misleading them with false bookings in order to talk his dirty talk and run away with a few pics just when he's 'about to head over'... i never delete my chats, the guy was a serial offender, and it took three years for me to finally ask him to stop and that was that.... the guy decided to dedicate the time he should've spent looking for a job, trying to take me down haha madness....  i would like to say though, i did attempt to post evidence on this thread at one point which, despite finally bringing some truth to the circus, was aggressively removed and yet this serial predator was continuously allowed to post completely false and defamatory comments over and over and over again, which raises serious questions about the purpose / intent behind the platform in general. surely anyone on either side working so hard to target someone in this way is clearly a little unstable, too invested and at least questionable? haha  it was nice to see that some of you gents had enough common sense and integrity to see through the dirt, i don't know you but i appreciate you 😘 ps. ps. again- for what its also worth, i never did escorting for the money, i cared about the people and it was sadly because the people got a little too much like our little runaway friend dave, that i stepped away from it. anyway, haha blast from the past. hope everyone had a lovely xmas  😘 hahaha bloody lawyer dealing with me before :@) !!

Uh, the guy who started this thread not only still has his profile but was on here recently. If you're claiming to be the provider who blackmailed and threatened him, I'm glad you're no longer harassing people. 

[LookingAround]

I'm confused 

[+ Rgsnva]

Hey there, I’m the original poster of this thread.  I haven’t looked back on it in a while - and it’s really gone off the rails. Just to clarify, the poster who named a provider wasn’t me, and I never named the provider.   What finally happened in my situation was that the provider kept contacting me from differing numbers, all of which I blocked and stopped responding to.  Finally I did what some responses said was a bad idea, but I felt like I had to do something.  Luckily I live in a county urban and large enough to have an LGBTQ liason on the force, so I found that officers info and emailed him.  I met with him the next day in person, he was quite supportive and there was no threat of any legal action against me (I even asked him about that and he said they had more important things to do, which might not be the case in other jurisdictions).  He told me to continue what I was doing in blocking any communication, which I did.  He did not say he would be following up in any way, but he did tell me not to worry.  I don’t know if he did anything.  The communications stopped almost immediately, and I heard nothing else from the provider until several months later.  He messaged me once on Telegram (I didn’t know who he was at first). He said he was sorry about all of that and said “I just had bills to pay.”  I didn’t respond, just blocked it.  I did not hear from him again.  He does still have a RM ad, or at least did - I blocked it when I saw it more than a year ago and don’t know if it’s still there.   So it all came out okay for me, and I appreciate the input I got on this site a great deal. 
 

Most of what’s been posted since the last time I looked has nothing to do with me, the provider in question, or anything factual that happened in this circumstance.  I will say that I readily admit to some seriously flawed judgement in my actions.  I screenshot all of our communications and I just went back and read them again.  I did some stupid things and wasn’t entirely honest with this man (although we weren’t friends and I didn’t owe this person I barely knew any explanation or info about my life).  And I should not have met him again, although it was his suggestion and not mine - that decision came from somewhere far south of my brain.  It is clear from our communications, however, that I stated plainly that I would no longer be paying for his services, and he clearly acknowledged that.  So the messages, social media postings, threats to contact or show up at my workplace, all of that was unjustified.  
 

If it makes any difference to some who were so adamant that I tried to do something underhanded and get away with not paying a provider for services after the fact, I have a great deal of respect for providers and what they do, and presuming to take advantage of some else’s person is not something I’d do.  I’ve met a few bad apples, as there are in any profession, but for the most part I think the providers I’ve known have been really good guys.  I think most of them have enjoyed and taken to heart the impact they can have on how a client feels, not just physically during a session but also emotionally after they’ve left.  I think that’s a gift to be able to have that impact on a person you don’t really know, and I don’t for a minute assume it’s an easy thing to do and I wouldn’t try to swindle it out of someone.   
 

Not too long ago I met with a provider that I’ve met with several times.  The day we met was a few days before I had the funding to pay for it (and it was his suggestion, not mine, that we could go ahead and meet and I could send along the fees a few days later).  Anyway, he was to send me a text and let me know a final amount.  He didn’t, and after a little while it became clear he’d completely forgotten.  It was a decent amount of money, and if I’d been so inclined I could have gotten away with it and he wouldn’t have remembered.  But I didn’t even consider that, and texted him saying “hey, don’t I owe you something?”  He didn’t remember, but I did, so I responded that I did, and I sent it.   All that is to say that after all that post a long time ago and all that has been tossed around since and the judgements that have been called out about those who’ve posted, please don’t interpret any of it as a suggestion from me, the OP, that a client doesn’t owe a provider for services.  Someone else’s body isn’t mine to use at my will, and I wouldn’t suggest anything of the kind.  Thanks, all, for all the input on my post.  

[Monarchy79]

On 10/11/2023 at 9:49 AM, Peter Eater said:

This comment is totally uncalled for. Either you are saying rgsnva is a liar or you are blaming the victim. Neither is acceptable.

He's doing neither. He’s asking some critical questions that require some accountability on the OP’s part. 
We’re grown men, not innocent children. 

[Monarchy79]

If this dude has your information, I would assume you have his too…. His phone number, his pics, his ads… play hardball, dox him and go into the gutter with him. 
 

 

 

Edited January 28 by Monarchy79

[Peter Eater]

1 hour ago, Monarchy79 said:

If this dude has your information, I would assume you have his too…. His phone number, his pics, his ads… play hardball, dox him and go into the gutter with him. 
 

 

 

As bad ideas go, this one is right up there. 🤪

[d.anders]

It's too bad we have to worry about the shady characters in life. They exist in many businesses. However, when it comes to business sex, the feelings can rise and be quite emotional and scary.

This was a difficult thread to follow, but it reminded me of a time when I left myself vulnerable, allowing company with a very sexy addict (the most gorgeous cock and balls) who always needed more money. Our "friendliness" grew to the point where I let him sleep on my couch on a few occasions. He never abused me in any way, and I never gave him more than $20 at a time, but when I looked back on my youthful carelessness, I wondered how I could let myself get that vulnerable. That's the power of sexy genitals on a good-looking guy. Today, I do everything possible to guard my life against unsavory or disturbed characters. No time (or energy) for drama.

I've been out since my teenage years, so it's not easy to relate to closeted behavior. It seems to me, nothing much good comes from deep-rooted lies.

I've been in domestic situations that required going to the police and finding a lawyer. This term "serious extortion" is laughable. Cops and lawyers are mostly interested in big-ticket items. Unless you know someone personally, cops and lawyers are going to laugh at this situation, making you feel much more foolish and stupid. I would argue that visiting a psych therapist would be more beneficial.

Now that I just finished Season 2 of the ridiculous Reacher, I'd like to go through life with the body, the strength, and the talent to slay all the dragons on my own. It's so much easier that way, when all the bad guys fear YOU.