$400 is TOO MUCH

[+ FrankR]

4 hours ago, purplekow said:

I have been hiring for a long time and I pretty much hire men I have hired in the past.  They may have changed their rates, but not for me.  So, if you want a bargain, find a regular or 4 and keep them for years.  

Come on @purplekow give your years long, repeat providers a raise! 😋 

[pubic_assistance]

22 hours ago, Milo Janus said:

Here is one of the main reasons I think $400 is too much that I did not elucidate in my opening post:  How long before that $400 becomes $500?  How long before that $500 becomes $600 and so on?  At this rate, the 'normal' rate will be $1,000/hr or very close to it by 2030.   You can quote me on that.

My grandmother told me the rent on her (lovely) house was $ 18 a month when she first married. Her neighbors thought that was an outrageous amount of rent for a two bedroom home, when most people on the block were paying $16 a month for a THREE bedroom.

There's this thing called inflation that prevents you from going back to the way things used to be.

Edited May 25, 2023 by pubic_assistance
grammar

[+ purplekow]

11 hours ago, FrankR said:

Come on @purplekow give your years long, repeat providers a raise! 😋 

I am a reliable, no hassle client who takes them out to dinner or buys them a small token on many visits.  I accept their cancellations or tardiness without complaint and, on occasion, will slip and extra $50 in the envelop.  If they asked for a raise. I would consider it, but considering that I think I am an easy client who is great in bed, I think perhaps they ought to consider giving me a discount.   😃

[IamAdamRose]

On 5/24/2023 at 1:01 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

I think what's most telling/revealing in this thread are posters who are dictating what rates should be for another human being.  How this rate is too much, period.  That a cap for an escort should exist.

Sorry kids...  That's not going to happen.  And as much as you don't like it, prices aren't backsliding down to when you did most of your hiring in the early-aughts.  Time marches forward and so does cost of living.

Like I said before, if it's too much, move on.  Keep it simple.

Don't show your hand and make it personal.  That's a classic ham-and-egger move.

 

Well said…. Some of these clients just don’t understand 

[+ tassojunior]

I think it's funny that many of the very people who think $400 is too high will tip $100 on a $300 date and not see any connection to rates rising. Whether it's housing, or groceries, or autos, prices rise to what the consumer has to spend. 

Luckily the American tourists have not spoiled it for us who visit Europe a lot where the best-looking guys in the world are still $150-$200 outcall ($50-$100 in private rooms in saunas.)

Edited May 26, 2023 by tassojunior

[BSR]

On 5/24/2023 at 4:58 AM, menaughty said:

In my humble opinion $400 is too much. Heck even $300 is too much tbh. $250 should be the cap. I haven't hired in the US for almost 2 years now. I take trips to Barcelona or Brazil  etc. (I understand that the cost is more in total) but I get more bang for my buck.

As much as I think that complaining about higher rates is pointless, I understand that many clients simply don't have the budget for $400 guys.  So they gotta get creative.

Yes, your total cost is higher abroad, but you're also killing 2 birds with 1 stone: vacation to a great place and plenty of chapero ("escort" in Spain, don't know the word in Brazil) good times.

As @tassojunior points out, rates are much lower in Europe.  Find a cheap flight, cheap eats, opt for non-posh hotel, and hire to your heart's content.  To think, in a great city like Barcelona, you can hire 6 chaperos at Thermas and buy tickets for Parque Guell+Sagrada Familia for the cost of 1 escort stateside!

[+ jessmapex]

@BSR what websites / app do you use to.hire in Barcelona/ Europe ? The escorts on RM listed there pretty much quote the same rate as here adjusted to Euros. 

[coriolis888]

On 5/24/2023 at 11:01 AM, BenjaminNicholas said:

 

Sorry kids...  That's not going to happen.  And as much as you don't like it, prices aren't backsliding down to when you did most of your hiring in the early-aughts.  Time marches forward and so does cost of living.

Like I said before, if it's too much, move on.  Keep it simple.

Don't show your hand and make it personal.  That's a classic ham-and-egger move.

 

I think what's most telling/revealing in this thread is that posters neglected to state the main reasons they believe the rates for providers are too high: 

When all factors related to escorting are considered, those stating that the rates are too high, often have a legitimate reason for protesting higher rates.

A good portion of providers are arrogant and often negatively refer to clients as time wasters even if the client has only two or three text questions.  

Another issue is that many providers insist on payment in advance on arrival or via an advance deposit.  This is awkward for many clients.  

Many providers make appointments with clients (even when they get a deposit) then do not show up for the appointment. 

Many providers' advertisements have false photos depicting a totally different person in their bogus advertisement.  Or, the provider uses photos that are photoshopped or are many years old.  

Often, providers contract for one or two hours.  The provider wants to be paid up front but many providers stay only fifteen minutes or so yet keep the full amount taken at arrival or via deposit.  

I could make a larger list of negative things providers do but I made my point in showing that although the provider expects a higher rate ($400 - $500 or more), the services of many providers do not warrant the higher rate demanded by providers and many do not deserve even a smaller rate considering the terrible treatment of some clients. 

If providers are going to be successful in raising their rates and still maintain the shabby behavior they have well demonstrated, major changes are needed from most providers if higher rates are expected.  

[Jamie21]

2 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

I think what's most telling/revealing in this thread is that posters neglected to state the main reasons they believe the rates for providers are too high: 

When all factors related to escorting are considered, those stating that the rates are too high, often have a legitimate reason for protesting higher rates.

A good portion of providers are arrogant and often negatively refer to clients as time wasters even if the client has only two or three text questions.  

Another issue is that many providers insist on payment in advance on arrival or via an advance deposit.  This is awkward for many clients.  

Many providers make appointments with clients (even when they get a deposit) then do not show up for the appointment. 

Many providers' advertisements have false photos depicting a totally different person in their bogus advertisement.  Or, the provider uses photos that are photoshopped or are many years old.  

Often, providers contract for one or two hours.  The provider wants to be paid up front but many providers stay only fifteen minutes or so yet keep the full amount taken at arrival or via deposit.  

I could make a larger list of negative things providers do but I made my point in showing that although the provider expects a higher rate ($400 - $500 or more), the services of many providers do not warrant the higher rate demanded by providers and many do not deserve even a smaller rate considering the terrible treatment of some clients. 

If providers are going to be successful in raising their rates and still maintain the shabby behavior they have well demonstrated, major changes are needed from most providers if higher rates are expected.  

I’m not disputing these things, I don’t hire so I don’t know from experience but I do work in the industry so I recognise this kind of behaviour can easily happen. The business attracts a number of chancers who are looking to earn easy money. But you as a client can go some way to protect yourself from it by being a bit sceptical when you see an advert that looks too good to be true. The signs are all there…he’s new, the pics are all amazing, his responses by text etc are unprofessional….don’t hire these guys. 

[BSR]

4 hours ago, jessmapex said:

@BSR what websites / app do you use to.hire in Barcelona/ Europe ? The escorts on RM listed there pretty much quote the same rate as here adjusted to Euros. 

Sorry if I gave the impression that I'm an experienced hirer in Spain, def not the case.  But I hear that Telechaperos is the best website in Spain and the guys do charge less than on Rentmen.  The catch is the website and all the ads are in Spanish.  The up side is that it's pretty user-friendly.  Just click on the city you're looking in on the right side of the page, then click "Búsqueda Avanzada" to narrow down stuff like age, active/passive/vers, in/out call plus to find guys who cater to your particular fetish.

Dunno if Google Translate will work for Telechaperos, but even if it does, you're hard-pressed to find chaperos on the site who speak English.  Maybe the Rentmen guys charge more because, with ads in English, they're hoping to attract more foreign clients.

[DWnyc]

On 5/25/2023 at 5:27 PM, purplekow said:

I am a reliable, no hassle client who takes them out to dinner or buys them a small token on many visits.  I accept their cancellations or tardiness without complaint and, on occasion, will slip and extra $50 in the envelop.  If they asked for a raise. I would consider it, but considering that I think I am an easy client who is great in bed, I think perhaps they ought to consider giving me a discount.   😃

Note to providers: if you want a raise, don’t provide the part of your service that lets your clients think they are great in bed … 😜

(nothing personal of course, I know nothing about you, but couldn’t resist) 

[DWnyc]

On 5/26/2023 at 5:17 AM, Jamie21 said:

I’m not disputing these things, I don’t hire so I don’t know from experience but I do work in the industry so I recognise this kind of behaviour can easily happen. The business attracts a number of chancers who are looking to earn easy money. But you as a client can go some way to protect yourself from it by being a bit sceptical when you see an advert that looks too good to be true. The signs are all there…he’s new, the pics are all amazing, his responses by text etc are unprofessional….don’t hire these guys. 

There’s of course the other aspect.

The industry is unregulated and in some geographies ambiguous legally. It is also by its nature very private and with stigma for both clients and providers (and kudos to those who don’t feel that way). So they are prepared to accept involuntary premiums / discounts and bad behavior as the price of discretion. This is one aspect that holds back natural market forces addressing over (or maybe under) pricing. 

RM reviews and discussion on this forum, while helpful, don’t count as meaningful regulation despite best intentions; participation is unrepresentative and with bias, and there is no enforcement ability.

[marylander1940]

On 5/26/2023 at 2:16 AM, coriolis888 said:

I think what's most telling/revealing in this thread is that posters neglected to state the main reasons they believe the rates for providers are too high: 

When all factors related to escorting are considered, those stating that the rates are too high, often have a legitimate reason for protesting higher rates.

A good portion of providers are arrogant and often negatively refer to clients as time wasters even if the client has only two or three text questions.  

Another issue is that many providers insist on payment in advance on arrival or via an advance deposit.  This is awkward for many clients.  

Many providers make appointments with clients (even when they get a deposit) then do not show up for the appointment. 

Many providers' advertisements have false photos depicting a totally different person in their bogus advertisement.  Or, the provider uses photos that are photoshopped or are many years old.  

Often, providers contract for one or two hours.  The provider wants to be paid up front but many providers stay only fifteen minutes or so yet keep the full amount taken at arrival or via deposit.  

I could make a larger list of negative things providers do but I made my point in showing that although the provider expects a higher rate ($400 - $500 or more), the services of many providers do not warrant the higher rate demanded by providers and many do not deserve even a smaller rate considering the terrible treatment of some clients. 

If providers are going to be successful in raising their rates and still maintain the shabby behavior they have well demonstrated, major changes are needed from most providers if higher rates are expected.  

As much of some of your points are valid, very few escorts behave like that. I don't think the scammers, no shows, pic borrowers, cheaters, etc. you listed deserve any payment let alone higher rates

[marylander1940]

9 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Note to providers: if you want a raise, don’t provide the part of your service that lets your clients think they are great in bed … 😜

(nothing personal of course, I know nothing about you, but couldn’t resist) 

This isn't the first time you mention this. Have you ever had an escort sincerely compliment your looks, skills, techniques, etc. like it has happened to others on here? 

Edited May 29, 2023 by marylander1940

[coriolis888]

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

As much of some of your points are valid, very few escorts behave like that. I don't think the scammers, no shows, pic borrowers, cheaters, etc. you listed deserve any payment let alone higher rates

You must skip over a lot of posts made to this forum by clients complaining about providers. 

It appears that you also do not have access to a VPN where you could read the narratives clients post on rentmen about many clients scamming them.  

"very few escorts"  - Please let me know when to stop laughing.

[marylander1940]

15 minutes ago, coriolis888 said:

You must skip over a lot of posts made to this forum by clients complaining about providers. 

It appears that you also do not have access to a VPN where you could read the narratives clients post on rentmen about many clients scamming them.  

"very few escorts"  - Please let me know when to stop laughing.

I do have VPN but very few reviews are negative or make reference to "borrowed" pictures. 

You meant "escorts scamming them". 

On 5/26/2023 at 2:16 AM, coriolis888 said:

I think what's most telling/revealing in this thread is that posters neglected to state the main reasons they believe the rates for providers are too high: 

When all factors related to escorting are considered, those stating that the rates are too high, often have a legitimate reason for protesting higher rates.

A good portion of providers are arrogant and often negatively refer to clients as time wasters even if the client has only two or three text questions.  

Another issue is that many providers insist on payment in advance on arrival or via an advance deposit.  This is awkward for many clients.  

Many providers make appointments with clients (even when they get a deposit) then do not show up for the appointment. 

Many providers' advertisements have false photos depicting a totally different person in their bogus advertisement.  Or, the provider uses photos that are photoshopped or are many years old.  

Often, providers contract for one or two hours.  The provider wants to be paid up front but many providers stay only fifteen minutes or so yet keep the full amount taken at arrival or via deposit.  

I could make a larger list of negative things providers do but I made my point in showing that although the provider expects a higher rate ($400 - $500 or more), the services of many providers do not warrant the higher rate demanded by providers and many do not deserve even a smaller rate considering the terrible treatment of some clients. 

If providers are going to be successful in raising their rates and still maintain the shabby behavior they have well demonstrated, major changes are needed from most providers if higher rates are expected.  

I originally posted this gif quoting your previous post but I deleted it. Your post is just too negative!

Edited May 29, 2023 by marylander1940

[coriolis888]

26 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

I do have VPN but very few reviews are negative or make reference to "borrowed" pictures. 

You meant "escorts scamming them". 

I originally posted this gif quoting your previous post but I deleted it. Your post is just too negative!

You do not like the truth, do you?

Over the years, how could you have missed the countless posts made by members of this forum and clients who hired escorts who ripped them off?

Your selective reading might cause you to hire one of those negative providers one of these days if you continue to ignore or say that actual reports from countless providers are too negative.

Be careful!

[DWnyc]

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

This isn't the first time you mention this. Have you ever had an escort sincerely compliment your looks, skills, techniques, etc. like it has happened to others on here? 

I was just making a joke … don’t read too much into it. 

yes providers have complimented me on all the things you mention, frequently. Is it “sincere” however? As in did the person issuing the compliment genuinely feel what he expressed verbally (and non verbally 😊)?  Who knows?

more importantly, who cares?

when you say “like it has happened to others” (ie they have received sincere compliments from providers and have reported back) - how can they, similarly, be sure that the compliments are “sincere”? If they seek that validation and feel like they received it, great. If they weren’t seeking it and it was a pleasant surprise, also great. 

and so forth and so forth.

In this hobby we seek an experience made up of many components - and these can be very personal and differ from person to person. I personally don’t need to leave feeling like the provider has validated my looks or skills etc so I don’t put too much weight on all this. 
 

 

 

[marylander1940]

8 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

You do not like the truth, do you?

Over the years, how could you have missed the countless posts made by members of this forum and clients who hired escorts who ripped them off?

Your selective reading might cause you to hire one of those negative providers one of these days if you continue to ignore or say that actual reports from countless providers are too negative.

Be careful!

I've read many reports like that and warnings about providers using fake pics, "shaving age", etc. You already asked me that question, no need for you to ask me again. 

Selective reading? Maybe I see the glass half full and I take every meeting at a time without baggage of all of what could go wrong. 

I've never paid upfront and I would never recommend an escort to do it, unless the meeting happens late at night and there are signs of PNP. There's a thread about it if you want to join. 

[coriolis888]

6 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

"I've read many reports like that and warnings about providers using fake pics, "shaving age", etc. You already asked me that question, no need for you to ask me again." 

I have never asked you any question related to the behavior or escorts. 

"Selective reading? Maybe I see the glass half full and I take every meeting at a time without baggage of all of what could go wrong." 

Seeing a glass half full when hiring an unknown provider is using poor judgment and could result in a major problem for you.  

I've never paid upfront and I would never recommend an escort to do it, unless the meeting happens late at night and there are signs of PNP. There's a thread about it if you want to join. 

I hope you do not get ripped off by a provider despite your incorrectly thinking that my post was too negative.  

 

 

[marylander1940]

1 hour ago, coriolis888 said:

I hope you do not get ripped off by a provider despite your incorrectly thinking that my post was too negative.  

 

 

Thank you!

If that ever happens I would report him, that's one of the main reasons for us to be on here. We constantly report scammers who keep on changing names, I wish Rentmen would be more proactive in banning them. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 5/21/2023 at 8:30 PM, Enronnja said:

I wholeheartedly agree. 400 is over the top, it's not like buttholes are scarce. What providers have to understand too is that, just as inflation is affecting their daily living, it's also hitting us, clients, hard, too. Which would you rather, 300 or none at all? Instead of demanding more, you could have more clients at 300. Yeah, I know, hosting, prepping for the meeting. But, if you stay a week in a city at an AirBnB and average 3 clients a day that's 4,500 per week at 300. On top of the benefit of building your reputation, it's a win-win for the provider.

Many of us are not rich like Mr. Thiel who can make you a sugar baby. We work long 9 to 5 jobs and have expenses, too. There is a provider who quoted me 400, I was more than ready to pay 300. But immediately moved on; it's a good thing I did. I went to my local bathhouse and got the same release just for the entrance price of $30 and was able to blow a couple of loads. The guy was sexy af, height was 6' 5', built, with a bubble butt to die for. Made me put things into perspective that I really going to blow 400 just because I wanted to scratch an itch.

Yes, I have paid 400 and even 800 in the past and regretted it. 400 was limp, no penetration, no kissing, just body contact, and my review rightfully put them out of business. 800, paid for the air ticket and service and although we did everything agreed, it felt rushed and used my toilet to douche.

So, why is this happening? Many factors which include the rise of OF, many have left the business for that, making quality providers more in demand. The pandemic I also believe hit the business hard and a lot left the industry. With so many tech companies laying off those rich tech workers, that money that used to come from tech-rich coastal cities is not there anymore. Rents have shot up also in these major metro too and just the expense of traveling I understand. These circumstances drive providers to push up their prices. But it's a catch-22, because what it ultimately means is a lot of us are less willing to pay. I see it just in my own savings.

I am planning to visit NY this summer and I have to admit, if I get quoted the 400 or more, I will just continue to pass. I've not been with a provider since November. I've supplemented this with my right hand and local bate club. Yesterday was my first time back at the local bathhouse since 2019 and surprisingly wasn't too bad. I plan to make it a regular visit every few months.

The problem with this is:

guys have said $400 is too much

and $300 is too much

and $250 is too much

and $150 is too much

and anything that’s not free is too much.

I am at the point to stop basing my rates on what guys think is “expensive”. I tell them yes, it’s expensive when I have to spend $350+deposit on a hotel to fuck in for a couple days. Like I did when I was in New Orleans last month. 
 

And FWIW, had a hot guy tell me I should be charging $400 minimum. And the week prior had another hot guy actually PAY ME $400. So yeah…life happens 🤷🏾‍♂️ 

However, $400 isn’t my rate or base rate. It’s great to have, but I’m from the old school 20 teens where $250 was porn star rates on RentBoy. So…I still feel $250-300 is a reasonable.
 

HOWEVER #2: I have decided it’s time to start ADDING my deposit into “available now” bookings. So my session may be $400+ depending on the visit they go for. Getting ready and doing a booking short notice I feel deserves me a bit extra onto my rate. 

Edited June 17, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 5/23/2023 at 3:41 PM, Simon Suraci said:

Ok fine, I won’t take it so seriously then 😜.

We’ve all heard plenty from Jarrod about his frustration with clients, with no resolution. Let clients have a turn!

Scream away…into the void…along with many fellow frustrated commiserators.

And when you’re done, hire! 🤠 

On 5/24/2023 at 3:52 AM, sjmuktop said:

That guy is definitely in the wrong job - he has nothing good to say about what he does at all, he’s constantly negative and on a downer about his escorting. Surely, he must be able to do something else if he hates it that much!

What does this thread have to do with me? I appreciate the mention, but not sure why my name has to be brought up here. I left the forum weeks ago to focus on my business, so talking smack behind my back is uncalled for. 
 

That said, for as much as I bring up topics to discussion, I am also doing stuff about it and being pro-active: I get in contact with RentMen about my concerns, I write FAQS on my website, I direct clients to reviews, I actually get in the trenches and TALK to clients directly who may be in miscommunication (actually spent days back and forth with a potential client last month, he was being very hard to schedule, blaming me for miscommunication, etc.) now he’s a regular and we have so much fun. And that’s after I told him he owed me a cancellation fee, after he flaked even after sending me a deposit. He said once I said that, he started taking me seriously. And that’s the issue: many of these RentMen men don’t take us serious.
 

Lot of this stuff we do gets psychological and I understand that. It’s not just about money, it’s about cracking heads open (figuratively) and getting people to understand each other’s view. Like one client was like, “I been scammed sending money upfront”. And I say: “and I get scammed every time a client says they’re going to pay me and then flakes out, which happens more than the 2 or 3 times it’s happened to you”. Hell…I just had a guy pose as a gay couple, saying he was going to book me: turns out it was some straight guy with a wife playing games.
 

On 5/24/2023 at 2:12 PM, Milo Janus said:

Here is one of the main reasons I think $400 is too much that I did not elucidate in my opening post:  How long before that $400 becomes $500?  How long before that $500 becomes $600 and so on?  At this rate, the 'normal' rate will be $1,000/hr or very close to it by 2030.   You can quote me on that.

How can you be sure of that? What if legalization happens, and prices are driven down or regulated? Can you really predict the future? 
 

You’re getting too far ahead of things. You can’t assume an upward trend 📈 based on all things in general. 
 

And the real truth has been stated: sex worker incomes go up the slowest amongst industries. I can’t recall the exact resource, but it was mentioned that rates have mostly stagnates over the past 10-20 years. 

I know this for a fact because I been doing $150-$250 tiers since way back in 2018. My first booking on rentboy was $220. 2008. Fast forward: there are still some out there who feel anything over $200-$250 is too expensive. Meanwhile: I had someone tell me the other day I should be charging no less than $400.

I decided that I want my full service sessions to be in the $275-$350 range. $200 and $250 doesn’t always cut the cost for overheads. I used to do that, and by the time I got the hotel in the city that I drove to see them: I’d only have $120-$200 actually made, unless I had someone else booked that day. 

Edited June 17, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 5/26/2023 at 1:16 AM, coriolis888 said:

A good portion of providers are arrogant and often negatively refer to clients as time wasters even if the client has only two or three text questions.  

Another issue is that many providers insist on payment in advance on arrival or via an advance deposit.  This is awkward for many clients.  

 

Fact check: this is inaccurate. “Many clients” do not find payment in advance or a deposit to be considered awkward. I’ve been doing it for years, and to this day. Even the first time newbie clients have no issue and understand it. Clients have even said they agree with the concept of deposit also. 
 

The only ones I find who have an issue with deposit, are the hires who troll provider’s ads expecting it to be easy peasy to book. They enjoy making a provider feel as small as possible by doing as little as possible. They don’t want to put any effort: they don’t want to read, or share any info, or do anything constructive to ensure that there’s going to be compatibility. They just ask questions, without providing any sort of answer of their own. And last time I checked: that’s a one-sided conversation. 
 

And no, timewasters are not just people who ask 1 or 2 questions. Fact check again. Point in case: look at this idiot, my website is right in his face, all he has to do is click a couple things. It takes 0 physical exertion. You’ll spend less time reading my ad and website than browsing the entire listing in a particular city. So I told him:

 

Funny how he refers to me as a hooker, the very thing he contacted for to begin with. More of a reflection on him than me🤦🏾‍♂️ 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[SouthOfTheBorder]

Recently paid $400 in Miami for a very well reviewed provider - worth every penny & then some. +$150 tip because so exceptional 

I’d schedule with him again without hesitation