Milo's opinion: Paying a deposit or upfront

[Jamie21]

5 hours ago, azdr0710 said:

Top Three Forum Topics.....Ever:

1. complaining about provider rates

2. is hiring a "straight" provider ok?

3. paying an upfront deposit or not

 

 

3 hours ago, MikeBiDude said:

4. Tipping

And the answers:

1: don’t do it

2: don’t do it

3: don’t do it

4: do it (please 🙂).

 

[pubic_assistance]

8 hours ago, Midtownguy99 said:

today, deposits are very much the norm

No. They're not.

[+ glutes]

I saw a very decent provider about 5 times without any deposit or MUF.  However  our last scheduled meeting he asked for travel money to see me, and I sent it. Big mistake, he 'retired' and disconnected his phone the next day.

Build up trustworthiness, them scam out.

Wonder how many other clients he did it with.

[+ glutes]

11 hours ago, azdr0710 said:

Top Three Forum Topics.....Ever:

1. complaining about provider rates

2. is hiring a "straight" provider ok?

3. paying an upfront deposit or not

 

 

4. Deception: photo  frauding  / age shaving / language lying / penis lengthening...

Edited December 27, 2022 by glutes

[MikeBiDude]

9 hours ago, Midtownguy99 said:

If you’ve been doing this for 35-40 years, it sounds like you’re stuck in your ways. They didn’t have electronic payment methods back in your day, and deposits I’m sure weren’t requested back then. But today, deposits are very much the norm and us clients need to respect that if it’s requested from a reputable provider

Telling me I’m stuck in my ways is a bit if a generalization and broad comment as you don’t know me. Check with my providers 🤣

If you read the replies in this post and elsewhere on the forum when this topic has been brought up I think you’ll find the majority of posters (an experienced group) on this forum don’t pay deposits.

I’ll repeat…ok for me if you and others do, I don’t pay deposits.

[+ glutes]

   10 hours ago,  Midtownguy99 said: 

today, deposits are very much the norm

😆  😆

[guru68]

So tough to find someone who takes personal checks these days. 😉

[+ keroscenefire]

This forum can be boringly binary sometimes.

Yes in many cases you can be ripped off from doing a deposit. But in some cases, a deposit is a good idea and I think helps you build trust with good providers.

I usually do not go for a deposit for short sessions, but have for longer sessions when the deposit goes to the total of the night.

It is absolutely true that you can lose the deposit. But there is always a slight element of risk in this game. More often it's that you spend money on sub-par experience. If you're really worried about losing that $100 deposit or whatever, then you should just as much be worried about a bad escort showing up whether you do a deposit or not. 

[Wanderoz]

1 hour ago, MikeBiDude said:

Telling me I’m stuck in my ways is a bit if a generalization and broad comment as you don’t know me. Check with my providers 🤣

If you read the replies in this post and elsewhere on the forum when this topic has been brought up I think you’ll find the majority of posters (an experienced group) on this forum don’t pay deposits.

I’ll repeat…ok for me if you and others do, I don’t pay deposits.

Yep. Condescension is an often-turned-to last resort when you’ve run out of arguments. 

[Trick]

What do you do the provider asks for the money upfront?  Do you just leave?  Have you ever been harassed or even threatened for doing so?  I ask because I’m one who would not be able to fend for myself if this happened.

[Marc in Calif]

16 hours ago, Midtownguy99 said:

Of course, this is after I’ve done my research and have assurance the provider won’t run off with my money.

Interesting. What types of assurance do you get from that research?

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, Trick said:

What do you do the provider asks for the money upfront?  Do you just leave?  Have you ever been harassed or even threatened for doing so?  I ask because I’m one who would not be able to fend for myself if this happened.

Once you're in the same room, it doesn't matter. Even if you get unsatisfactory service, the payment is still due.

[Trick]

13 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Once you're in the same room, it doesn't matter. Even if you get unsatisfactory service, the payment is still due.

I thought paying upfront meant paying at the start of the session.  Isn’t that discouraged on this forum too?

[MikeBiDude]

36 minutes ago, Trick said:

I thought paying upfront meant paying at the start of the session.  Isn’t that discouraged on this forum too?

Yes, your understanding is correct on both counts. Definition and handling of “paying upfront” varies a bit. With a new provider I’ll leave money or envelope with same in an obvious place when they walk in. That’s worked to mutual satisfaction 99% of the time.

[Midtownguy99]

13 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

And the answers:

1: don’t do it

2: don’t do it

3: don’t do it

4: do it (please 🙂).

 

I only do #3 if a provider is traveling to my city and they have a limited schedule and I’ve checked their profile out, looked at reviews, chatted with other clients who have left them reviews etc. But you as a provider, discourage deposits? 

[Jamie21]

6 minutes ago, Midtownguy99 said:

I only do #3 if a provider is traveling to my city and they have a limited schedule and I’ve checked their profile out, looked at reviews, chatted with other clients who have left them reviews etc. But you as a provider, discourage deposits? 

Yes, I don’t request deposits. I’d say to anyone booking a provider to not pay a deposit unless you can afford to lose the money because that’s the risk. Pay deposits with full awareness of what you’re risking.

I don’t travel though so my circumstances don’t really require deposits. Also I have a sense for flaky clients and simply don’t take bookings from them. After years working in the industry you get to see the signs. On the rare occasion a client fails to show up without a reasonable explanation then I report them to a site that we use to share info on time wasters, and I block their number. 

[Milo Janus]

4 hours ago, Trick said:

What do you do the provider asks for the money upfront?  Do you just leave?  Have you ever been harassed or even threatened for doing so?  I ask because I’m one who would not be able to fend for myself if this happened.

Yes!  Waaay back in 1990 in San Francisco.  I saw this very tall 'guido' type from New York.  I forget his name, he had an ace bandage on one leg.  He asked to be paid upfront, which I naively obliged and then we started with my sucking his cock.  Then he started this, "let's go over here . . ." we move to a new spot, the again, "let's go over here," and again and again.  Finally, I had enough, stood up and went to get my money he left on a dresser when the threatened to throw me through a wall!  (I knew he wouldn't, it was his place.)  Sadly, he was very intimidating, tall and strong so I left without my money!!  The only way I could get back at him was when I'd see his ad in the B.A.R. rag I would call him and tell me he's not wanted in this town.  No one will hire him . . . blah blah . . . (I used a landline at the time.)  

[pubic_assistance]

In the United States you pay an escort for their TIME. 

If you have sex..great ! ..but that's not what you're paying for legally. 

So if you don't like the sex you can't not pay them since they did fulfill their contract for time.

Walk away and pretend it was a bad date and you had paid for dinner and drinks. 

Same loss.

 

 

[Midtownguy99]

25 minutes ago, Milo Janus said:

Yes!  Waaay back in 1990 in San Francisco.  I saw this very tall 'guido' type from New York.  I forget his name, he had an ace bandage on one leg.  He asked to be paid upfront, which I naively obliged and then we started with my sucking his cock.  Then he started this, "let's go over here . . ." we move to a new spot, the again, "let's go over here," and again and again.  Finally, I had enough, stood up and went to get my money he left on a dresser when the threatened to throw me through a wall!  (I knew he wouldn't, it was his place.)  Sadly, he was very intimidating, tall and strong so I left without my money!!  The only way I could get back at him was when I'd see his ad in the B.A.R. rag I would call him and tell me he's not wanted in this town.  No one will hire him . . . blah blah . . . (I used a landline at the time.)  

I think the reviews help more today. For instance, if that same experience happened today, you can leave an accurate review accounting your experience. And since escorts don’t want their reputation tarnished, they won’t pull something like what you experienced because that review will reflect on their profile. Of course this doesn’t go for all of them, but I think it helps. 

[Midtownguy99]

30 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

I don’t travel though so my circumstances don’t really require deposits. On the rare occasion a client fails to show up without a reasonable explanation then I report them and I block their number. 

The providers I’m referring to are the ones who travel and have airfare and lodging overhead to account for. If one client that agrees to meet them, doesn’t show up, that will make a significant difference on the bottom line of their trip. 

Unfortunately this happens more often than it should and it’s difficult for the provider to brush it off or make up for it in the little time they’re in the city. 

Since you’re in your hometown, you pay your rent regardless so there’s not much of a need for a deposit. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

20 hours ago, Midtownguy99 said:

What do you suggest as a safety net to traveling providers who have several clients who cancel last minute? 

The same "safety net" I was getting when job hunting and getting cancelled or useless job interviews: tough.

Edited December 28, 2022 by DrownedBoy

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

20 hours ago, azdr0710 said:

Top Three Forum Topics.....Ever:

1. complaining about provider rates

2. is hiring a "straight" provider ok?

3. paying an upfront deposit or not

Wash, rinse and fucking repeat. 

The hair is brittle at this point. 

[coriolis888]

4 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Once you're in the same room, it doesn't matter. Even if you get unsatisfactory service, the payment is still due.

Not always.

I have had a couple of instances where the person who showed up was not the person in the advertisement photos.  They were not even close. 

How they got several five star reviews on rentmen is a mystery to me.  

So, I disagree that the client owes the money if the lying fake "escort" shows up and expects a client to go forward with the meeting merely because they meet.  

The client has the right to leave after discovering the person is not as advertised.  

[coriolis888]

2 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

 

 

In the United States you pay an escort for their TIME. 

 

 

 

You are a bright guy.  

You really do not believe what you posted (I hope).

Realistically, who would pay a stranger (escort) to meet and only pay for time? 

That "time" excuse is used because the U.S. has absurd laws against prostitution.  

Countless escort advertisements show an erect penis which is an outright description of what an escort is offering and what a client will expect from the escort. 

Most ads go into detail telling what actions an escort will do.  Look at any rentmen advertisement, for example.  

Reality is reality.  Regardless of what one chooses to call it.  

Here is a copy of a typical rentment ad.  After reading the ad, do you think that any sane court would believe the ad is for "time only" ?

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Please, READ MY REVIEWS!

If you know what you want I promise I WILL DELIVER IT.
Expect nothing less than real HIGH QUALITY with a genuine man.
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Edited December 28, 2022 by coriolis888

[Jamie21]

7 hours ago, Midtownguy99 said:

The providers I’m referring to are the ones who travel and have airfare and lodging overhead to account for. If one client that agrees to meet them, doesn’t show up, that will make a significant difference on the bottom line of their trip. 

Unfortunately this happens more often than it should and it’s difficult for the provider to brush it off or make up for it in the little time they’re in the city. 

Since you’re in your hometown, you pay your rent regardless so there’s not much of a need for a deposit. 

My advice remains though, don’t pay deposit unless you’re prepared to lose the money. I’m trying to view it from the hirer perspective.

I have incurred costs because clients didn’t turn up (not as much as an airfare or hotel booking but still I’ve spent money travelling or had opportunity cost of lost alternative bookings) so I do understand how annoying and painful it is to have someone flake on you last minute. But from a client’s perspective I think the risk of being naive and paying a deposit to a bad actor in this business is high. I’m saying when you book a provider think with your head not your dick. Your wallet will appreciate it.