And that’s the reason I only book clients who send deposits

[Jarrod_Uncut]

I don’t have much to prove, but this is in response to the idea that because of Covid, monkeypox, inflation etc etc, that we should be making it easier for clients to book us, not harder. And part of that includes: not taking partial deposits to confirm. Well, here’s the catch 22: Even if I do make it easier for clients to book, it’s going #1 make it harder for me and #2 easier for the jokers 🃏 to waste our time. 
 

Some of the time-wasters seem to have become extra crafty. There’s guys out there who will contact more than once requesting a session, which they never confirm or show up for. Then when I call them out on it and let them know my cancellation policy or get on the Blacklist, a couple have even tried to impersonate a cop. Example:

And then this fuckery from a return client I actually have good times with, but he never wants to pay a deposit:

 

And then this “gem” of a person: who also had a report from another provider the same day he reached out to me for the 2nd time, after he ghosted mid-Consultation on the previous one:

This is exactly why as of 2022: I don’t see ANY clients without a deposit. That’s over with. That’s old school, pre-2022 way of doing things. That’s why I went ahead and put up my website last year December. Because I already knew I wasn’t going to stay in biz doing the same as I’ve done before. 
 

I just don’t see it changing any time soon. I just wanted to eliminate this philosophy out there that a REPUTABLE (someone with like multiple great reviews, verified pics, etc) provider taking deposits should stop doing so in order to make things easier for clients and get more business.

IT WON’T HAPPEN. 

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ keroscenefire]

Damn that sucks that some people are such assholes to providers. It's like even if the deposit thing isn't for you, just move on instead of messing with you. That really sucks Jarrod.

Edited October 27, 2022 by keroscenefire

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Exactly…
 

The only exception I can really think of, is if a client is hosting in a hotel and is able to be verified. All 3 of the above weren’t.

Then there’s a select few cities in the country where I would be okay not taking deposits, but even then I would only for existing clients I can rely on. Many areas that didn’t have a lot of providers now have a steady supply of local and visiting. Idk if that is creating indecisiveness which causes a lot of this.

But it’s not even about the deposits being needed as a leverage of trust all the time either. Deposits are there for whatever extra money I may spend for the session, which can be pretty varied.

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ Coolwave35]

I hire a lot on the east and west coast and I haven’t been asked for a deposit yet. 

[MiamiLooker]

Why do you reply to these texts?

[Jarrod_Uncut]

12 hours ago, Coolwave35 said:

I hire a lot on the east and west coast and I haven’t been asked for a deposit yet. 

Okay and? So…because of that, I’m supposed to, not take deposits despite what I already posted?

I find that surprising, considering it’s brought up often with women providers, especially reputable ones (There’s DOZENS of Reddit threads on that very subject) It could just depend on who you’re seeing. If you’re seeing new to the scene guys, or guys who are just doing this on the side as a “hobby” and can care less whether a client shows up or not, maybe so.
 

I know when I was on the West Coast (Seattle/San Fran) I did ask for deposits as well. Majority didn’t seem to have an issue. The ones I let slide without one (even telling them, “I’ll make an exception”), were an issue.

 

10 hours ago, MiamiLooker said:

Why do you reply to these texts?

You’re right. Why? Why do I.

I’m tired of sounding like a broken record. I’m changing things up again, this time I’m not playing games anymore. I don’t have an interest in “working” texts and inquiries that go nowhere. I need to be getting paid for the time I spend doing that.
 

I just spent a week in Denver. I had 3 great clients over the weekend. But during the week, I was responding to texts after texts and nobody showed up. All the while, I’m booking hotel nights, draining my bank account in the process. If it weren’t for other matters I had to tend to outside of escorting, I would have beat myself up for not leaving on day 3. One thing I’m finding in some markets: I pretty much have to put on a timer and make sure not to stay much longer than that period of time. With everything going on, 1 to 3 days is enough. Then keep it moving. 

I’m tired of saying the same thing. I can’t sit around and listen to what so and so does or who doesn’t take/pay deposits. I have to do what works for me. I don’t really have all the answers. I can’t tell you why some guys take deposits and others don’t. They probably don’t want to commit much more than the other person does. Or they haven’t seen and been thru the things I have. So perhaps their prerogatives are different.

I decided the best thing for me: Give specific instructions for my calls, and only deal with those who are okay with them. Or at the very least: manage to read my ad. If other clients can do it, every client can do it. 
 

I actually need to focus on other areas of my life, I simply don’t have time to keep answering “inquiries” that don’t go anywhere. I simply can’t do it. I’m even getting rid of having a “work line” and just having a very basic phone service for texts and calls only.

Also I’m cutting the RentMasseur email function (because I have taken time to respond to guy’s emails, detailed: and they don’t respond back). Or they’ll message asking if I’m available at a certain time, but if I don’t read the email, they won’t even bother to text to verify if I received it. Then when I do get back to them, I never hear back. I’m also going to seriously this time, stop showing my number from both RM platforms. 
 

In addition: the spam texts are getting very regular and annoying. Another reason to do so. And even many of the people texting have spam reports on their number as well. It’s just fucking mess. 

Edited October 29, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[italianboyph]

The time wasters is always a pet peeve of mine, if you have no intention to meet me and just wanna play games and waste my time, don't hit me up. It's always a constant back and forth and leaving messages left on read. Thank god for RM showing that you're able to see that the other person read your message, I think a lot of people don't know that.  The impersonation of cops is just funny af, don't they know a cop would never message you randomly.

[+ DrownedBoy]

On 10/28/2022 at 5:07 PM, Coolwave35 said:

I hire a lot on the east and west coast and I haven’t been asked for a deposit yet. 

I will only send deposits to established escorts on RentMen, who need to have several dozen reviews and a near-perfect score. And only after I've established that they are willing to do what I ask - I give all the details up front, and answer any questions. EDIT: It may go without saying, but I need to find them particularly attractive as well.

As a client, I do have to deal with time-wasters too. I tried texting 2 different "Available" escorts today. One hasn't responded, and the other tried to sweet talk me into paying more. I cut the latter off after 2 suggestive texts. He did, however, thank me for being honest in my dealings.

Edited October 31, 2022 by DrownedBoy

[Jarrod_Uncut]

4 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

I will only send deposits to established escorts on RentMen, who need to have several dozen reviews and a near-perfect score. And only after I've established that they are willing to do what I ask - I give all the details up front, and answer any questions. EDIT: It may go without saying, but I need to find them particularly attractive as well.

As a client, I do have to deal with time-wasters too. I tried texting 2 different "Available" escorts today. One hasn't responded, and the other tried to sweet talk me into paying more. I cut the latter off after 2 suggestive texts. He did, however, thank me for being honest in my dealings.

Well that’s a good start. At least you’re making the effort.

I’m thinking of doing something like a cheap inquiry fee of $1.99, $2.99 etc. for what you mentioned: questions. But then people would have to be prepared to pay twice: because that would not be a deposit. Mainly because: I’ve had clients who sent deposits still ghost at some point. Plus that amount isn’t really conducive enough to make any real profit with. However, I would rather only serious ones reach out to me.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

12 hours ago, italianboyph said:

The time wasters is always a pet peeve of mine, if you have no intention to meet me and just wanna play games and waste my time, don't hit me up. It's always a constant back and forth and leaving messages left on read. Thank god for RM showing that you're able to see that the other person read your message, I think a lot of people don't know that.  The impersonation of cops is just funny af, don't they know a cop would never message you randomly.

It’s become more than a peeve to me. It’s literally obliterating my motivation in the business. People try to reason that it’s just “part of the business” but they don’t understand how often it happens, in the absence of profit. It’s not cute or funny. And it’s gotten worse since the pandemic dissipated. I didn’t just wake up one day and be like, “oh, let me charge deposits. I just feel like it today”. No, I did it because I was tired of being played over and over and over, and having holidays and special occasions ruined by idiots who don’t respect me as a provider.

That’s also why I am removing my number from the Rent platforms, and only the clients with common sense will read my ad, and go to my website: which has my phone number. 

It also doesn’t help that I’m situated in economically repressed and/or conservative areas. Unfortunately, I wasn’t one of the lucky queens to land a house or decent apartment in the big cities before shit went crazy after 2014-ish (why does prices have to go up after a New Democrat President gets elected 😭 ). So I have to live and travel to affordable cities, which in America often means: places where there is money, but very conservative money. 

Edited October 31, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ StLouisOct]

On 10/29/2022 at 3:03 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Okay and? So…because of that, I’m supposed to, not take deposits despite what I already posted?

I find that surprising, considering it’s brought up often with women providers, especially reputable ones (There’s DOZENS of Reddit threads on that very subject) It could just depend on who you’re seeing. If you’re seeing new to the scene guys, or guys who are just doing this on the side as a “hobby” and can care less whether a client shows up or not, maybe so.
 

I know when I was on the West Coast (Seattle/San Fran) I did ask for deposits as well. Majority didn’t seem to have an issue. The ones I let slide without one (even telling them, “I’ll make an exception”), were an issue.

 

You’re right. Why? Why do I.

I’m tired of sounding like a broken record. I’m changing things up again, this time I’m not playing games anymore. I don’t have an interest in “working” texts and inquiries that go nowhere. I need to be getting paid for the time I spend doing that.
 

I just spent a week in Denver. I had 3 great clients over the weekend. But during the week, I was responding to texts after texts and nobody showed up. All the while, I’m booking hotel nights, draining my bank account in the process. If it weren’t for other matters I had to tend to outside of escorting, I would have beat myself up for not leaving on day 3. One thing I’m finding in some markets: I pretty much have to put on a timer and make sure not to stay much longer than that period of time. With everything going on, 1 to 3 days is enough. Then keep it moving. 

I’m tired of saying the same thing. I can’t sit around and listen to what so and so does or who doesn’t take/pay deposits. I have to do what works for me. I don’t really have all the answers. I can’t tell you why some guys take deposits and others don’t. They probably don’t want to commit much more than the other person does. Or they haven’t seen and been thru the things I have. So perhaps their prerogatives are different.

I decided the best thing for me: Give specific instructions for my calls, and only deal with those who are okay with them. Or at the very least: manage to read my ad. If other clients can do it, every client can do it. 
 

I actually need to focus on other areas of my life, I simply don’t have time to keep answering “inquiries” that don’t go anywhere. I simply can’t do it. I’m even getting rid of having a “work line” and just having a very basic phone service for texts and calls only.

Also I’m cutting the RentMasseur email function (because I have taken time to respond to guy’s emails, detailed: and they don’t respond back). Or they’ll message asking if I’m available at a certain time, but if I don’t read the email, they won’t even bother to text to verify if I received it. Then when I do get back to them, I never hear back. I’m also going to seriously this time, stop showing my number from both RM platforms. 
 

In addition: the spam texts are getting very regular and annoying. Another reason to do so. And even many of the people texting have spam reports on their number as well. It’s just fucking mess. 

Well yes, you are sounding like a broken record. Imagine yourself sitting at a bar with a doctor or lawyer or anyone else, and they spend hours complaining about their job and the awful experiences they’ve had with clients or patients or customers. I suspect that you’d recommend therapy or, better yet, that they pursue another career. And if they reply that the money is good, you might be inclined to say, “Well then my friend, you should  quit bitching about the choices you’ve made.”

[Jarrod_Uncut]

21 minutes ago, StLouisOct said:

Well yes, you are sounding like a broken record. Imagine yourself sitting at a bar with a doctor or lawyer or anyone else, and they spend hours complaining about their job and the awful experiences they’ve had with clients or patients or customers. I suspect that you’d recommend therapy or, better yet, that they pursue another career. And if they reply that the money is good, you might be inclined to say, “Well then my friend, you should  quit bitching about the choices you’ve made.”

Well, fortunately this isn't a bar. We both know, what it is here. You're absolutely right I wouldn't be sitting in a bar discussing with someone about my clients, why would I do that to begin with? They may not even be a part of this culture at all. But, it's certainly not unheard of to hear about people complain about their work at bars. 

I was mostly bringing it up to highlight the the point being: it doesn't make it any more or less easier for a reputable provider to ask for a deposit. 

[Jamie21]

Time wasters! Ugh…a pain.

I’m working on a chat bot on my website that will engage prospective clients in the discussion before they get to me. It will be programmed to weed out the picture hunters, sex chat wankers, prevaricating procrastinators who will “definitely book when they get paid” …plus the guys who somehow think I’m a female? 

Then when they have been sidelined by the chat bot (who is called Dick):“hello I’m Dick, your friendly chat bot here to assist you in your massage enquiry with Jamie. How may I help you today? Just type what your question is”. If they say anything other than “I’d like to book a x hour in call / out call at x time on x date” then the bot engages them in their fantasy with endless inane chat.

If they get bored of the bot then they go through to my ‘on hold’ line where the following message plays “sorry but Jamie is busy right now… your call is important to him, please hold until he becomes available” the background music will be the sound track to one of my porn movies “ugh harder…yeah stick it in…mmmm…fuck me…yeah etc etc” playing on a loop while the client pleasures himself as he waits. It will be a premium number so I get some revenue until he shoots his load and hangs up. 

When it’s all ready and working I’ll market it to other sex workers. It will be called Time Waster Active Terminator or TWAT for short. 
 

[NJF]

3 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Time wasters! Ugh…a pain.

I’m working on a chat bot on my website that will engage prospective clients in the discussion before they get to me. It will be programmed to weed out the picture hunters, sex chat wankers, prevaricating procrastinators who will “definitely book when they get paid” …plus the guys who somehow think I’m a female? 

Then when they have been sidelined by the chat bot (who is called Dick):“hello I’m Dick, your friendly chat bot here to assist you in your massage enquiry with Jamie. How may I help you today? Just type what your question is”. If they say anything other than “I’d like to book a x hour in call / out call at x time on x date” then the bot engages them in their fantasy with endless inane chat.

If they get bored of the bot then they go through to my ‘on hold’ line where the following message plays “sorry but Jamie is busy right now… your call is important to him, please hold until he becomes available” the background music will be the sound track to one of my porn movies “ugh harder…yeah stick it in…mmmm…fuck me…yeah etc etc” playing on a loop while the client pleasures himself as he waits. It will be a premium number so I get some revenue until he shoots his load and hangs up. 

When it’s all ready and working I’ll market it to other sex workers. It will be called Time Waster Active Terminator or TWAT for short. 
 

Your TWAT probably will be a smash hit.

[Midwest_Man]

I'm the one that made the original comment that because of Covid, monkeypox, inflation etc etc, that you should be making it easier for clients to book, not harder.  It was in response to your thread in which you were complaining (again) that you only had one client in a week.  Now you think that requiring a preliminary deposit just to ask questions is going to help that situation? Good luck with that. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

6 hours ago, Midwest_Man said:

I'm the one that made the original comment that because of Covid, monkeypox, inflation etc etc, that you should be making it easier for clients to book, not harder.  It was in response to your thread in which you were complaining (again) that you only had one client in a week.  Now you think that requiring a preliminary deposit just to ask questions is going to help that situation? Good luck with that. 

What you’re not getting, or maybe I failed to mention: it was like that even when I WASN’T asking for deposits…it’s been like that for the past several months: at least in the particular area I was referring to. Even when I wasn’t taking deposits and left my line wide open: All I was getting was super short notice bookings that I couldn’t take, or people asking for sessions and then disappearing. That’s why I said in a post earlier: I didn’t just wake up and start taking deposits. There was a cause, and then an effect. 

Nobody is entitled to have access to my line and time if they haven’t shown any real intent. And if you can’t see based on the messages I posted, I don’t know what to tell you. The evidence is right in your face, there’s nothing to argue about.

Now: just to be clear here, that does not apply every week. Just last week, I had 3 clients in 24 hours. Non had issues sending deposits. For the remainder of the week, I had attempted to meet clients who didn’t send a deposit, and ALL of them fell thru. 

Edited October 31, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[maninsoma]

13 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Time wasters! Ugh…a pain.

I’m working on a chat bot on my website that will engage prospective clients in the discussion before they get to me. It will be programmed to weed out the picture hunters, sex chat wankers, prevaricating procrastinators who will “definitely book when they get paid” …plus the guys who somehow think I’m a female? 

Then when they have been sidelined by the chat bot (who is called Dick):“hello I’m Dick, your friendly chat bot here to assist you in your massage enquiry with Jamie. How may I help you today? Just type what your question is”. If they say anything other than “I’d like to book a x hour in call / out call at x time on x date” then the bot engages them in their fantasy with endless inane chat.

If they get bored of the bot then they go through to my ‘on hold’ line where the following message plays “sorry but Jamie is busy right now… your call is important to him, please hold until he becomes available” the background music will be the sound track to one of my porn movies “ugh harder…yeah stick it in…mmmm…fuck me…yeah etc etc” playing on a loop while the client pleasures himself as he waits. It will be a premium number so I get some revenue until he shoots his load and hangs up. 

When it’s all ready and working I’ll market it to other sex workers. It will be called Time Waster Active Terminator or TWAT for short. 
 

You are a breath of fresh air here.  I really enjoy your funny posts. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

17 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I’m thinking of doing something like a cheap inquiry fee of $1.99, $2.99 etc. for what you mentioned: questions.

I don't pay stores money to ask about their merchandise, and I sure as hell wouldn't pay an escort just to ask if they're interested. Escorts should consider themselves lucky that I'm even willing to pay a deposit.

[Jamie21]

40 minutes ago, maninsoma said:

You are a breath of fresh air here.  I really enjoy your funny posts. 

Thank you! I can’t take life too seriously, especially when doing sex work. There’s so many funny situations to write about 🙂

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

3 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

I don't pay stores money to ask about their merchandise, and I sure as hell wouldn't pay an escort just to ask if they're interested. Escorts should consider themselves lucky that I'm even willing to pay a deposit.

You’re using the wrong analogy, 1st of all. 2nd of all you’re not paying to ask if they’re interested. You’re paying to show YOU…. YOU are interested AND that you plan to go thru and that you have invested the money.

The “store” would be considered RentMen. We are the merchandise of that store (RentMen) and we pay first, to be in there. Following me? 
 

A better analogy would be your Uber service. You get the app free but you pay to request the ride, in fact you pay the whole cost upfront before even know what car you in. You don’t get to contact drivers individually and ask 100 questions before they’re paid.

 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ Coolwave35]

Reminds me of this

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 10/31/2022 at 10:41 PM, Coolwave35 said:

Reminds me of this

It is what it is. Fact of the matter is: people love to make statements but no real alternative to back it up. I’m putting in the work, coming up with effective ways to help the client/provider interaction.

I love sex, and even though I’m not an “anon” type, I have engaged in it. Like I really do like interacting and having fun. Some people misinterpret that I don’t enjoy these things but: that’s not the case.  
 

It’s just that we’re in a different period. I want people to be informed. The deposit isn’t a punishment, it’s a structure. Hotel deposits are the ones that are worst: You can pay upfront in full for a night or multiple nights, and guess what? When you check in: they say, “now we just need your credit card for incidentals” And even if you don’t have any “incidents”, they help themselves to $50-$250 of your funds, and give it back a few days later.

Imagine if escorts did that: You pay me $300, upfront before ever meeting me. Then, before you walk in the door I stop you and say: I just need your card for incidentals, I now just need extra $100.

But that’s exactly what happens in the reverse. I pay for ads, the accommodations, and the extra “incidentals”. So no one should be “encouraging” anyone not to do a reasonable thing to ask. 

Edited November 4, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[jeezifonly]

[+ Coolwave35]

In my opinion it’s really hard to compare hiring an escort to booking a hotel room. If I call Chase and say I need mY money back for my room because the hotel burned down and they won’t give me a refund, I’m gunna be fine. 
 

if I call Chase and say my escort no showed I need my money back I doubt I’ll have much luck. Actually, I doubt I’d even make that call. 
 

It just appears to me as a follower of your posts, that given all the problems you’ve expressed that you’re having getting and keeping clients, the deposit situation isn’t having the intended consequence. People are still wasting your time with texts. Enough clients still aren’t booking a second session. Your travel calendar isn’t packed out enough to be profitable. 
 

I believe your product is excellent. I think your customer service is what could use some work. Or, like I’ve suggested before, outsource that portion. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

2 hours ago, Coolwave35 said:

In my opinion it’s really hard to compare hiring an escort to booking a hotel room. If I call Chase and say I need mY money back for my room because the hotel burned down and they won’t give me a refund, I’m gunna be fine. 
 

if I call Chase and say my escort no showed I need my money back I doubt I’ll have much luck. Actually, I doubt I’d even make that call. 
 

It just appears to me as a follower of your posts, that given all the problems you’ve expressed that you’re having getting and keeping clients, the deposit situation isn’t having the intended consequence. People are still wasting your time with texts. Enough clients still aren’t booking a second session. Your travel calendar isn’t packed out enough to be profitable. 
 

I believe your product is excellent. I think your customer service is what could use some work. Or, like I’ve suggested before, outsource that portion. 

Okay, now you’re stepping out of line and making assumptions about things that’s not true.  That’s a problem, and I’ll tell you that right now. Don’t go there with me. I don’t know what you read, but you read incorrectly. Let’s be clear on that. I didn’t say anything about regulars not returning or my travel schedule not being packed. Don’t lie on me, because I’m not about to let you ☝

Even if I do mention certain situations, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s that way all the time. Deposits have actually worked fine by me. I had just mentioned not long ago; a situation where I left where I was staying after reserving a hotel room (because I was a guest at someone’s home), and had 2 potential clients expected to show up. BOTH of them no showed or cancelled, causing me to lose the money I spent on the room AND the money for the 2 sessions. At least about $600 lost. That’s BEFORE I started doing the deposits. And even when that happened, I couldn’t fill in other clients that day. That’s not the only time that has happened, or almost happened. If you can’t understand that then, I don’t know what to tell you. You’re putting your personal values over understanding the actual cause and effect. That’s why you aren’t getting it. Put your personal values aside, and look at the facts. 

The only time I’d be open to waiving on deposits, is if the client is hosting and they aren’t a far shot away from me. But even then, I can’t always rely on that either. BEFORE I was doing the deposits, I was chasing clients down for cancel payments, and just getting nowhere.

As for time wasting texts, that’s the case in general for a lot of people. There’s discussions all on Reddit and overseas about things being slow for both genders in sex work. The market is already flooded, there’s way more escorts now than it used to be, and less demand with the inflation. Then you have hookup apps which have taken many of our clients, and won’t even let us advertise to them without getting banned (finally met with a guy last week who seen me “professionally” after contacting me for YEARS on an app).

You have to educate yourself on the reality, versus making assumptions based on how someone’s running their biz. If I really want to cut a lot of that out, I know the best thing is to have templates with info and instructions. If they can’t follow it, then it’s evident they aren’t worth seeing.

 

 

Edited November 4, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut