+ José Soplanucas Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 15 hours ago, Thelatin said: What happens if you get banned from the site you use to generate your income? Your whole business cracks. That is why independent porn creators take the different sites' rules very seriously. Take a look at these summarizing tables: https://twitter.com/sophie_ladder/status/1545433694911229952 If you are into niche porn, you should have a very close look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ José Soplanucas Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 9 hours ago, tassojunior said: The pandemic killed escorting but more importantly it absolutely destroyed porn. The "studios" are just libraries now bought by people who have no clue about making porn. This seems like a sentence written two years ago. I sympathize with your feeling about the studios not knowing what good porn is, but they are not libraries anymore and are fully back into the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 11 hours ago, RickyKiss said: I'm curious if anybody has had success messaging someone they follow on OnlyFans to arrange a meeting. If so, how did you do it? I'm sure they would remove the conversation to text or somewhere else not to get caught by OF. When you're making money doing something legal, you don't jeopardized it doing one illegal thing... the saying goes like that... RickyKiss and SirBillybob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuscleDaddyRWC Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 18 hours ago, buckguy said: The typical OF claims weekly updates but often don’t even manage to do them monthly. I'm stunned by fans that stay subscribed to a creator for $9.99/month when that creator only publishes 4-5 videos a year. Danny-Darko and + azdr0710 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56harrisond Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 1 hour ago, José Soplanucas said: This seems like a sentence written two years ago. I sympathize with your feeling about the studios not knowing what good porn is, but they are not libraries anymore and are fully back into the business. The fan sites (OF, JFF etc) democratized the porn industry. Instead of a few true porn actors, now every model to decent looking guy with some Twitter followers has a fan site, which is probably a good thing. It doesn't mean most creators are making a lot of money, but it's a good side hustle. And the actual porn stars have more intellectual property rights to their videos, and can choose how much content they create and with whom. Instead of their work being owned by the big studio. BonVivant, + José Soplanucas, + keroscenefire and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maninsoma Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 3 hours ago, MuscleDaddyRWC said: I'm stunned by fans that stay subscribed to a creator for $9.99/month when that creator only publishes 4-5 videos a year. I've been suckered into this only because Only Fans makes it impossible to know how frequently someone posts and exactly what their content is like. I've subscribed for a month only to find out that someone only posts teaser clips and wants more money for full scenes. I recently subscribed to a very well known guy's OF only to discover that he no longer posts anything new there (or at least not during the month I subscribed, despite him stating after I subscribed that he posts two videos per month to OF but that he posts a lot more on another platform where he makes more money). It's still generally not bad since most guys at least have a library of older clips that can be downloaded for later viewing, so $10 for a bunch of videos isn't bad. I'm definitely not going to be an auto-renew subscriber for someone who doesn't post at least a couple of videos per month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ José Soplanucas Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 3 hours ago, 56harrisond said: The fan sites (OF, JFF etc) democratized the porn industry. Instead of a few true porn actors, now every model to decent looking guy with some Twitter followers has a fan site, which is probably a good thing. It doesn't mean most creators are making a lot of money, but it's a good side hustle. And the actual porn stars have more intellectual property rights to their videos, and can choose how much content they create and with whom. Instead of their work being owned by the big studio. Adios Gay Porn Studios - ILikePinga -welcome independent porn ILIKEPINGA.COM Adios Gay Porn Studios! Although they will continue to exist, the pandemic has taught us how little we do... INDEPENDENT PORN BOOM - ILikePinga -a 2020 tailored 4 masturbation ILIKEPINGA.COM INDEPENDENT PORN BOOM. This year, independent artists’ talent took over the pornosphera. Welcome to... marylander1940 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ azdr0710 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 just part of the evolution..... remember in "Boogie Nights" the hand-wringing over the adult industry changing from film to VHS??!!........ MikeBiDude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuscleDaddyRWC Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 2 hours ago, maninsoma said: It's still generally not bad since most guys at least have a library of older clips that can be downloaded for later viewing, so $10 for a bunch of videos isn't bad. Yeah, I don't mind paying for a month, looking at the videos and then cancelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coriolis888 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 22 hours ago, RickyKiss said: I'm curious if anybody has had success messaging someone they follow on OnlyFans to arrange a meeting. If so, how did you do it? Many who have OFs accounts do so well, financially, they do not bother to escort. Face it, for the talented and good looking, OF is a game changer. pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coriolis888 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 9 hours ago, MuscleDaddyRWC said: I'm stunned by fans that stay subscribed to a creator for $9.99/month when that creator only publishes 4-5 videos a year. In the meantime, the OF owner is raking in $9.99 monthly for little to no effort. Considering the unknown number of clients that pay $9.99 each month for almost nothing is quite a nice income to the OF creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ José Soplanucas Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, coriolis888 said: In the meantime, the OF owner is raking in $9.99 monthly for little to no effort. Considering the unknown number of clients that pay $9.99 each month for almost nothing is quite a nice income to the OF creator. OF gets "only" 40% of the fee. 60% is for the creator, whether or not he publishes anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coriolis888 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 27 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said: OF gets "only" 40% of the fee. 60% is for the creator, whether or not he publishes anything. Regardless of the OF percentage being shared, the OF member gets a fair amount of money for a lot less work and time than escorting. Escorting is clearly more time consuming and more work than OF gigs. I have met an OF member who makes in excess of $100,00 annually just for making movies and putting them on OF. That amount does not compare to earnings from escorting. Of course, not all OF members make that kind of money, but many do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBillybob Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 (edited) This thread appears to be describing a parallel process based on the opening question. Some DIY porn providers are upcharging for videos beyond the monthly subscription fee and some escorts are requesting what seems to be an exorbitant hookup rate. The two categories may overlap for one individual or be mutually exclusive for another. Either way, nothing ventured nothing gained; in what other commercial area can selective customers’ dissociative obsession be similarly harnessed? I doubt that at a broader level there is a particular order in which one domain in particular may be compensatory for purchasers’ reservations about amounts. The order of historical and prospective labour uptake is variable according to the two domains. OF etc may be more as to telemedicine as an escort appointment is to a live in office consult. Who can know, for any one erotica provider, let alone vast provider collective, whether the trend is cumulative in the same direction, with both modes of performative delivery maintaining traction? It seems that the reality of varying degrees of hybrid models is here to stay and defies the notion of one supplanting the other at the level of commercial sex infrastructure or according to how the work self-defines individually and possibly predominantly. Disclosure: I generally don’t pay for erotica. Maybe a dabbling into OF, annually low 2 figures. Never renew. The one out of about four brief subscriptions that crossed over to a booked live session in his home at a rate that did not deviate much from his vid upcharges. He asked what I thought about his OF content. I dodged it by indicating I wished the choreography replicated. He did so reasonably well. I followed up with the idea that I could consultatively edit his accompanying minor descriptive text passages if he wanted. That part is quite poor and scrambled across languages but I did not offer an evaluative opinion that directly. My sense is that he only wanted to be complimented. I had desired him and initiated brief preparatory contact long before his OF account began. Edited May 21, 2023 by SirBillybob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ José Soplanucas Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 1 hour ago, coriolis888 said: Regardless of the OF percentage being shared, the OF member gets a fair amount of money for a lot less work and time than escorting. Escorting is clearly more time consuming and more work than OF gigs. I have met an OF member who makes in excess of $100,00 annually just for making movies and putting them on OF. That amount does not compare to earnings from escorting. Of course, not all OF members make that kind of money, but many do. I think you are underestimating the hard work of maintaining a high-quality OF. MikeBiDude and big-n-tall 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coriolis888 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 1 hour ago, José Soplanucas said: I think you are underestimating the hard work of maintaining a high-quality OF. It is possible I underestimated my friends time spent putting up his OF material. However his take from OF is in excess of $100,000 annually. All he does is make a couple of movies each month and sometimes does not make two movies each month. The bulk of his money from AF comes from his portion of the monthly subscription fees that is shared with him. If you compare making a couple of films (or less) each month compared to having to place an ad on rentmen and maybe get clients and maybe not get clients. Plus lots of wasted time he spent while relying on rentmen for his income. No comparison. OF is easier and less work than escorting from rentmen. No question, OF took a big bite into escorting from rentmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckguy Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Porn studios seem to be staying in business. They’ve been using social media to recruit people since the 2000s. Being in studio porn creates visibility and opportunities for collaborations. Escorts are still in business—more in many places than pre-COVID. As I mentioned upthread, it’s complicated and it’s dynamic. Customers will get more sophisticated about posting rates, quality and up selling. Very few guys can produce high quality vids over a long period. It requires skill and it helps to have collaborators behind the camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coriolis888 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 On 8/13/2022 at 10:19 AM, big-n-tall said: clip - - - - Do I think there is a new wave of rentmen ads used to funnel traffic to onlyfan accounts… definitely. However as I mentioned I don’t think rentmen fan accounts are the reason rates have increased. They may not be the only reason rates have increased but the OF phenomenon has certainly had an influence on the increase in rentmen fees. Times have changed. An OF member can do very little work (one of two films a month - or less) and earn a percentage of monthly fees paid into their account at the OF system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeezifonly Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Personal meet-ups will always have a market. The difference in interaction between viewer/OFDude, and client/provider, having your parts engaging in person with same dude in person - vastly different. maybe like watching a band’s World tour on YT …vs making your own live acoustic music in a small room with other people present to do the same. Both pleasurable. Different desires. Providers have a baseline income requirement. Many likely work in some other field, full or part time. Escorting fell off in 2020 w/lockdown and JFF/OF became a way to bridge the gap for those who relied on it. As a worker, needing a specific amount of liquidity by a certain day, you weigh the total time and effort put into on-camera sex with hot men, vs the total time and effort to advertise, volley inquiries, book, prepare, clean if hosting, and fake 90% of your fun with a client resembling Archie Bunker. C’mon… BonVivant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBillybob Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, jeezifonly said: The Archie Bunker whose taciturn contextual verbal and pointing cues consist of “meat … head”. ?? And wherein the provider periodically ecstatically shrieks “Oh Awchie!” ?? Edited May 21, 2023 by SirBillybob jeezifonly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ BenjaminNicholas Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 People seem to think that OF guys and gals are all making bank. They're not. Very few are earning real money... Career money. And many of them stretch the truth about what they're actually making. To make six-figures, you need to post multiple videos a month which takes time, money, legal contracts and effort. It's a full-time job if you're doing it in-house and expensive if you're fielding it out for a quick turnaround. It's not a negative game changer to or for the escort industry. Really an apples and oranges comparison. OF suffers from a fickle audience and easy burnout from repetitive videos that can eventually have a sameness to them. As the song goes, 'there's nothing like the real thing.' The world's oldest profession remains the default defacto. LookingAround, DaveOrDavid, + José Soplanucas and 5 others 4 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingAround Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 1 hour ago, BenjaminNicholas said: People seem to think that OF guys and gals are all making bank. They're not. Very few are earning real money... Career money. And many of them stretch the truth about what they're actually making. To make six-figures, you need to post multiple videos a month which takes time, money, legal contracts and effort. It's a full-time job if you're doing it in-house and expensive if you're fielding it out for a quick turnaround. It's not a negative game changer to or for the escort industry. Really an apples and oranges comparison. OF suffers from a fickle audience and easy burnout from repetitive videos that can eventually have a sameness to them. As the song goes, 'there's nothing like the real thing.' The world's oldest profession remains the default defacto. This. Period. coriolis888 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 On 5/19/2023 at 4:32 PM, Thelatin said: It’s an interesting business. I’ve seen people “make it big” and then have issues. What happens if you get banned from the site you use to generate your income? Example: 'Just For Fans' Dumps Adult Performer Billy Santoro For Urging Police To Shoot Black Looters - Towleroad Gay News WWW.TOWLEROAD.COM The adult social platform JustFor.Fans dumped performer Billy Santoro's account on Monday night after a Facebook post encouraging police to shoot black looters. Gay adult performer Billy Santoro admits he faked a suicide attempt after backlash for racist posts WWW.METROWEEKLY.COM Billy Santoro's husband claimed he had tried to take his own life after condemnation over calling for Black protesters to be shot. I've met him when he was a bartender at a local bar called Cobalt... he always had an attitude, I'm not surprised he had the chance of a lifetime to make a fortune and blew it all by himself. Where is he now? pubic_assistance and Danny-Darko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bretts2002 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 I sure hope not. Only fans is just porn to me. There is plenty of free porn out there. I would love to find a hot twink or two or a cute jock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coriolis888 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 On 8/13/2022 at 10:53 AM, GTMike said: I've recently had one gentlemen up his $400/hr rate to $800/hr and candidly told me that was why he did it. Greed or lack of good judgement! His new $800 rate will chase off a good portion of clients he would have met had his rate not doubled as it did. kko123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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