is this the "new normal" attitude?

[Jamie21]

52 minutes ago, KensingtonHomo said:

(The dog is a sweetheart but very attached and will want to "help" the escort.) 

That’s familiar. Reminds me of the time a client told me his dog likes to be in the room during the session. It sat quietly in its basket as I did the session, watching me for what seemed like the whole time. At the end there was some cum on my shin and foot. As I got off the bed to go in the shower the dog quickly left it’s basket and licked at my leg. I suspect the client had trained him…

[Jarrod_Uncut]

15 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

That’s familiar. Reminds me of the time a client told me his dog likes to be in the room during the session. It sat quietly in its basket as I did the session, watching me for what seemed like the whole time. At the end there was some cum on my shin and foot. As I got off the bed to go in the shower the dog quickly left it’s basket and licked at my leg. I suspect the client had trained him…

Don’t tell me the dog licked the cum too 🤮 . I prefer guys leave their pets in another room. I didn’t sign up for bestiality, and the only time I am okay being watched is on video or a (male) client’s partner.

I had one guy before was like, “my dog(s) will want to sleep in the bed with us tonight, he always does”.

I got up and checked into a Sheraton at 2 in the morning. This is not 3way dating with the dog. 

Edited May 6, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Gadfly22]

20 hours ago, Kevin Slater said:

Providers exist to provide!  To hell with any personal business, sleep schedule, time off, travel, gym, work/life balance...  Unless you're directly servicing someone else, when I call, you owe it to my entitlement to answer!

Well at least there's one of you that has it right!! 🤣 😝

But seriously can somebody tell me when as a society we became so bizarre and insular that it is considered "rude" or "entitled" to expect someone to pick up the phone when you call or to reply to a text message (especially when your livelihood depends on it)? Even if its a simple no - two letters N-O. 

I can't do that! Its haaaaaaaaaard!

Edited May 6, 2022 by Gadfly22

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Gadfly22 said:

Well at least there's one of you that has it right!! 🤣 😝

But seriously can somebody tell me when as a society we became so bizarre and insular that it is considered "rude" or "entitled" to expect someone to pick up the phone when you call or to reply to a text message (especially when your livelihood depends on it)? Even if its a simple no - two letters N-O. 

I can't do that! Its haaaaaaaaaard!

Honey, if my livelihood in this business depended on picking up every call and replying to every text in 30 minutes.....well, I wouldn't be in this business. 

[Gadfly22]

19 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

At the same time: I understand the dynamic is different and at times it’s necessary to arrange things on same day notice. But we’ve already heard several examples of providers who don’t show their phone numbers or do same day visits. How do they get clients in a “moment’s notice” culture?

Sorry to have to tell you this but the "moments notice" culture was created by the overwhelming majority of providers who have no desire to hear from you days (and sometimes even hours) in advance. 

Its an escorts world we clients just live in it.

19 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Most clients who expect us to be available at drop of dime, are generally never are themselves when the escort reaches out of the blue.

No I don't expect you to be available at the drop of a dime. I expect the courtesy of a prompt reply - and it doesn't have to be a War and Peace length novel! (as hard as that may be for you to believe!). Please do not conflate the two.

[Kevin Slater]

29 minutes ago, Gadfly22 said:

Well at least there's one of you that has it right!! 🤣 😝

But seriously can somebody tell me when as a society we became so bizarre and insular that it is considered "rude" or "entitled" to expect someone to pick up the phone when you call or to reply to a text message (especially when your livelihood depends on it)? Even if its a simple no - two letters N-O. 

I can't do that! Its haaaaaaaaaard!

How 'bout you let us worry about our livelihoods.  Again, your privilege doesn't extend to telling me how to do my job.

2 minutes ago, Gadfly22 said:

I expect the courtesy of a prompt reply - and it doesn't have to be a War and Peace length novel! (as hard as that may be for you to believe!). Please do not conflate the two.

You're welcome to expect anything you like.  But for reasons detailed above (i.e. we're not on call 24/7), your expectations will often lead to disappointment.

Karen Slater

[Jamie21]

2 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Don’t tell me the dog licked the cum too 🤮

It certainly was interested in my leg. I wasn’t bothered by it sitting in its bed while I massaged the client but I wasn’t keen on the attention afterwards. 
Some people are very close to their pets and don’t like to lock them away while they have visitors. It’s fine as long as the pet is well behaved.

I had another client who had a tortoise roam around the apartment while I was there. Very strange. 
 

[Gadfly22]

19 hours ago, Dante said:

In your business, are there times you don't respond to colleagues or clients within 30 minutes? Are there hours of the day or night you're not working? Do you take days or weeks off? Does ANYTHING IN THE WORLD matter besides optimizing the client experience?? 

Well since I've had a cell phone with caller ID I generally do pick up when I get a call from a co-worker, even if its just to say sorry I can't talk now call me back in an hour (or whatever). OMG that was so haaaaaaard! And I do have an understanding with my co-workers under what circumstances it is and is not permissible to contact me outside of normal working hours. You can put the same info in your RM profile incl when you are on "vacation".

But to answer your question - yes there have been times when I have not answered or replied to a work related call/text quickly. When that happens I accept and deal with the consequences (if any). I do not go running to social media whining, "They didn't give me 8 hours to replyyyyyyyy! That's not faaaaaaaaaair!" 

[Gadfly22]

13 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Ok where was I? Oh yes I take my phone everywhere and as I write this I’m sitting on the toilet just responding to a client. I hope I don’t drop it dow *^%<#!’…….   <error> 

Thank you that's one I didn't think of. Flushing ur phone down the latrine is an acceptable excuse for not getting back to me quickly.

Can someone keep a running list? 🤣

[coriolis888]

35 minutes ago, Gadfly22 said:

I expect the courtesy of a prompt reply - and it doesn't have to be a War and Peace length novel! (as hard as that may be for you to believe!). Please do not conflate the two.

Have you considered that escorts have things to do besides waiting by a telephone for a message that might or might not arrive?  

For example, what if an escort is involved with a project that cannot be interrupted? 

What if the escort is driving or is at a market or is with family or is doing a variety of things that occupy day-to-day life?

What if the escort is not near his telephone making him not available?  

The above represents merely a few reasons an escort might not respond to a text message within your expected "thirty minutes" or so.   

We all have different expectations.  However, I believe that it is too demanding to expect a thirty minute response from an escort (or from most people for that matter).  

Reasonable people can disagree.  

[cany10011]

I think Americans expect a response all the time, at dinner, at the gym, at midnight etc... I once had a work colleague email me at 9 and then called at 9:15 to follow up and ask if I had a chance to review the email... WTF? It was not even time sensitive. It's crazy. I can't be bothered to work so hard, the more I make, the more taxes i have to pay. If I didn't have it so easy, i wouldn't bother. 

Edited May 6, 2022 by cany10011

[+ KensingtonHomo]

30 minutes ago, Gadfly22 said:

Thank you that's one I didn't think of. Flushing ur phone down the latrine is an acceptable excuse for not getting back to me quickly.

Can someone keep a running list? 🤣

Dude, you're coming off really poorly here. Yes, a reasonably prompt reply would be good. But since you've said you take a day off for your play, why wait until that day to make the appointment? 

As I've said above, we're going to Montreal in 6 days and I'm already setting things up. We met up with a provider we really enjoy in DC last weekend. I reached out to him when the trip was set to see if he'd be in town as he travels a lot. We kept in touch and had an amazing time. 

I think what providers here are objecting to is you wanting to set a date in a couple of hours and being pissed if the guys you want are busy. And, sure, a couple of guys I reached out to in Montreal haven't responded. That's fine. Either they're booked up and don't need the gig, or they're messy. If it's the latter, I don't want to see them anyway. 

[Gadfly22]

5 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Just like the person above said, “I give a guy half an hour to reply and I consider this to be EXTREMELY generous and even then sometimes I'm unable to secure a meet up.”

I just can’t tell if this mean: “the escort can’t secure a meet up for me”, or if it means “It’s not fast enough to secure a meet with me”

 

OK that's a fair question. Let me explain in more detail. I text a guy at 10:00 am, wait a while, no response. Text another, guy, wait no response. Etc., etc. until 5 in the afternoon, still no response from anyone. That is what I mean when I say "unable to secure a meet up." Oh eventually I will get a reply from one or 2 - hours, even days after I've given up. Sometimes I reply. Sometimes I don't. This has happened to me many times since I began hiring.

Keep telling me what a bad guy I am.

Edited May 6, 2022 by Gadfly22

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Gadfly22 said:

 I do not go running to social media whining, "(....)" 

Oh really

[Jamie21]

2 hours ago, Gadfly22 said:

But seriously can somebody tell me when as a society we became so bizarre and insular that it is considered "rude" or "entitled" to expect someone to pick up the phone when you call or to reply to a text message (especially when your livelihood depends on it)? Even if its a simple no - two letters N-O. 

When people say “can somebody tell me etc”…..when someone does tell the person it usually results in the person rejecting the response because they don’t really want an answer, they just want their views confirmed. 

So, you’re right @Gadfly22 it’s reasonable to expect an almost instant response to any message. I suspect you will continue to send messages on the morning of the day you’re looking to hire, you’ll continue to get some late responses, and you’ll continue to be irritated by it. Happy hiring. 
 

 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

32 minutes ago, cany10011 said:

I think Americans expect a response all the time, at dinner, at the gym, at midnight etc... I once had a work colleague email me at 9 and then called at 9:15 to follow up and ask if I had a chance to review the email... WTF? It was not even time sensitive. It's crazy. I can't be bothered to work so hard, the more I make, the more taxes i have to pay. If I didn't have it so easy, i wouldn't bother. 

Americans are particularly awful this way, and I say that as one of them. I've been actively trying to be more patient and also less available because it's a very mentally and physically unhealthy way to live. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

6 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

It certainly was interested in my leg. I wasn’t bothered by it sitting in its bed while I massaged the client but I wasn’t keen on the attention afterwards. 
Some people are very close to their pets and don’t like to lock them away while they have visitors. It’s fine as long as the pet is well behaved.

I had another client who had a tortoise roam around the apartment while I was there. Very strange. 
 

lol I luv turtles 🐢! Though I would not let it roam around unattended as reptiles are expert Escape artists (ask me how a creature with no legs manages to pop out of an aquarium, and climb itself up on a curtain rod 🤦🏽‍♂️ 

6 hours ago, Gadfly22 said:

Well since I've had a cell phone with caller ID I generally do pick up when I get a call from a co-worker, even if its just to say sorry I can't talk now call me back in an hour (or whatever). OMG that was so haaaaaaard! And I do have an understanding with my co-workers under what circumstances it is and is not permissible to contact me outside of normal working hours. You can put the same info in your RM profile incl when you are on "vacation".

But to answer your question - yes there have been times when I have not answered or replied to a work related call/text quickly. When that happens I accept and deal with the consequences (if any). I do not go running to social media whining, "They didn't give me 8 hours to replyyyyyyyy! That's not faaaaaaaaaair!" 

You’re making this too easy for me. C’mon, you’re talking about COWORKERS. People you’ve actually met before, and people you probably…aren’t trying to fuck or have sex with. 
 

A random TEXT from a complete unexpected stranger can’t be compared to a coworker who knows what your business hours are. However, it’s a good point you do mention business hours because I had to recheck yesterday that I clearly put that in my ad and my website. 

Many escorts are not going to have “business hours” per say because it’s just not a whole lot of room to convey that. 

6 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

Have you considered that escorts have things to do besides waiting by a telephone for a message that might or might not arrive?  

For example, what if an escort is involved with a project that cannot be interrupted? 

What if the escort is driving or is at a market or is with family or is doing a variety of things that occupy day-to-day life?

What if the escort is not near his telephone making him not available?  

The above represents merely a few reasons an escort might not respond to a text message within your expected "thirty minutes" or so.   

We all have different expectations.  However, I believe that it is too demanding to expect a thirty minute response from an escort (or from most people for that matter).  

Reasonable people can disagree.  

Bingo

Bingo

and Bingo

Bingo again.

Example: During the week I have hobbies I do which usually require me to be engrossed in a project and I absolutely CANNOT be distracted. I’ve done that many times, engaged in chat with clients, only for them to turn out to be on bullshit and waste my time. Leaving me more annoyed and frustrated than already on the task at hand. 

This is real life photo (the first one lol) of me with part of my engine removed to change spark plugs on my V8 engine. 

 

 During a project like this, unless a client is going to meet me in my garage and suck me off: don’t bother 😆 

So, eventually I would leave my work phone out of reach and ignore and “dings” until I was done. But being I couldn’t resist, I find it better to just remove my number and require all new inquiries to pay and arrange a consultation to reach me. 

5 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Dude, you're coming off really poorly here. Yes, a reasonably prompt reply would be good. But since you've said you take a day off for your play, why wait until that day to make the appointment? 

As I've said above, we're going to Montreal in 6 days and I'm already setting things up. We met up with a provider we really enjoy in DC last weekend. I reached out to him when the trip was set to see if he'd be in town as he travels a lot. We kept in touch and had an amazing time. 

I think what providers here are objecting to is you wanting to set a date in a couple of hours and being pissed if the guys you want are busy. And, sure, a couple of guys I reached out to in Montreal haven't responded. That's fine. Either they're booked up and don't need the gig, or they're messy. If it's the latter, I don't want to see them anyway. 

I was in 💯 agreement with everything until you said “messy”. Maybe they just didn’t notice your message?

There’s been many times I thought I replied to a client, and got distracted. 2 weeks later I scroll through my phone and can’t recall how the fuck I didn’t notice the message. 
 

But again, this is also the benefit of me now asking deposits/consultation fees and not displaying my number any further. I get to better focus on client texts, versus just getting miscellaneous inquiries that eventually fall on deaf ears (like literally, sometimes I hear my phone but because it goes off so many times a day, sometimes my natural focus mechanism just ignores it).  

5 hours ago, Gadfly22 said:

OK that's a fair question. Let me explain in more detail. I text a guy at 10:00 am, wait a while, no response. Text another, guy, wait no response. Etc., etc. until 5 in the afternoon, still no response from anyone. That is what I mean when I say "unable to secure a meet up." Oh eventually I will get a reply from one or 2 - hours, even days after I've given up. Sometimes I reply. Sometimes I don't. This has happened to me many times since I began hiring.

Keep telling me what a bad guy I am.

Nobody is saying you’re a bad guy. Let’s clarify that. We’re just saying your expectations based on your actions, are not conducive. 
 

You’re doing the same routine, and getting the same results. Texting at 10 a.m. First of all: the part time escorts are likely at work, and the full time escorts (like me) are likely just starting their day, or getting ready to check out of their hotel/moving to the next city. 
 

If you text me at 10 a.m., and I’m staying in a hotel, planning to checkout at noon: you’re going to get 1 of 2 answers: hurry up and get here by 11 a.m. (so I can **** you for an hour, and have an extra 30-60 minutes to checkout LATE). Or, you’re going to say you can’t get there soon enough, and can I meet at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and I’ll say: I’m not able to extend an extra day unless I receive a deposit. 
 

And people do this day in, day out…the same way you are: and wonder why I have to reinvent and strategize regularly.

Edited May 7, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ KensingtonHomo]

1 hour ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I was in 💯 agreement with everything until you said “messy”. Maybe they just didn’t notice your message?

I work in an industry where I deal with/am answerable to a lot of stakeholders. If I neglect to respond to them for 2 weeks, it would be very bad for me because I would be considered "messy." @Gadfly22 has what, to me, seem like unrealistic expectations. But you're also admitting that you sometimes neglect to respond to clients or potential clients. I believe a lot of us are just oversaturated with email, texts, phone calls, social media, the news, etc. It's like we're drinking from a firehose. 

[Kevin Slater]

12 minutes ago, KensingtonHomo said:

 It's like we're drinking from a firehose. 

Naw, that's the reward you get after setting it up.

Karen Slater

[Luv2play]

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Don’t tell me the dog licked the cum too 🤮 . I prefer guys leave their pets in another room. I didn’t sign up for bestiality, and the only time I am okay being watched is on video or a (male) client’s partner.

I had one guy before was like, “my dog(s) will want to sleep in the bed with us tonight, he always does”.

I got up and checked into a Sheraton at 2 in the morning. This is not 3way dating with the dog. 

I'm a dog lover and I know some providers are too. I once had an escort stay the weekend with me at my home and he knew I had a dog. A couple of days before the event he texted me and asked if it would be ok if he brought his dog as his usual dog sitter wasn't available.

I agreed once I learned the dog was small as mine might have not taken kindly to a larger dog in the house. The dog remained in a crate when we were playing but in the room as he would have made a fuss otherwise. 

And then he got into bed and slept between the two of us at night. My dog just looked on passively and couldn't have cared less. It all went very well and I saw the provider several times after but never saw his dog again.  

Edited May 7, 2022 by Luv2play

[Gadfly22]

22 hours ago, Kevin Slater said:

How 'bout you let us worry about our livelihoods.  Again, your privilege doesn't extend to telling me how to do my job.

You're welcome to expect anything you like.  But for reasons detailed above (i.e. we're not on call 24/7), your expectations will often lead to disappointment.

Karen Slater

What's the matter buddy? No reply to my question so you repeat the same drivel that I so completely obliterated in my original reply? Disappointed in you. Some advice: when you're in a hole, stop digging! Oh wait sorry I can't give you advice. That would be "telling you what to do".

[Gadfly22]

22 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

Have you considered that escorts have things to do besides waiting by a telephone for a message that might or might not arrive?  

May I ask what century you are living in? Mobile phones are called mobile because they are......... wait for it.......... MOBILE! You can take them anywhere and talk to anyone........ any time. Imagine the concept! Of course if ur one of these people that has a single green rotary landline phone attached to the wall in ur kitchen that ur sitting next to waiting for people to call I do apologize.

22 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

what if an escort is involved with a project that cannot be interrupted? 

What if the escort is driving or is at a market or is with family or is doing a variety of things that occupy day-to-day life?

What if the escort is not near his telephone making him not available?  

What if only 8 angels can dance on the head of a pin instead of 9?

You can come up with an excuse for anything. But are you seriously going to tell me that when I text half a dozen guys (or more) over the course of a day and don't get a reply from any of them that they're all busy working on the Manhattan project? or that they are so considerate of their fellow shoppers that they can't stop and take literally a few seconds to shoot off a reply? or are you saying maybe that their "families" aren't aware of their "activities"? If that's the case I understand. I was in the closet for a long time so I'll do what I can to accommodate your choice but please don't make me jump through hoops. I could go on forever about how many times I've been kept waiting outside in sweltering heat / freezing cold for an hour or more because the provider's family or roommates were unaware of their profession and he had to sneak me in. (And no that factoid wasn't in his RM profile.) But I'm digressing. Applying Occam's razor to my original question I think it is much more likely that these guys are sketchy, messy as someone else said, not serious about their chosen profession, or inconsiderate a-holes.

[Gadfly22]

23 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Yes, a reasonably prompt reply would be good. But since you've said you take a day off for your play, why wait until that day to make the appointment? 

I have already answered this more than once in my previous posts so if I could trouble you to go back and look at them you will find the answer. I'm not going to keep repeating myself as so many others have been doing in this thread. 

[Gadfly22]

22 hours ago, Dante said:

Oh really

Yeah really. You asked - I answered. It isn't whining unless its unsolicited.

No I don't expect you to understand.

[Gadfly22]

22 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

When people say “can somebody tell me etc”…..when someone does tell the person it usually results in the person rejecting the response because they don’t really want an answer, they just want their views confirmed. 

Hey you got one right! Enlightened escorts: 1, bitter, unreasonable clients: 0!

This is what educated people call a rhetorical question. Intelligent people often use them to make a point. Hey aren't you a Brit? You guys have a much better educational system than we do. Too bad you didn't take advantage of it.