November 2021- Is the demand down?

[+ goosh69]

15 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

What people don't understand is that this so called "vaccine" is only gonna give your immune system a head start against a COVID-19 infection. It doesn't actually prevent you from catching it. So hire at your own risk if you're not otherwise healthy.

You are both less likely to catch it and less likely to get sick if you do. Don’t spread disinformation. 

[+ Pensant]

While I agree that the quality is some cities has declined, there are still some hot young guys available. I’m heading to Tampa next month for a change of pace, and weather, and will be meeting with two newbies who have caught my eye, both of whom prompt and pleasant in their responses. 

[pubic_assistance]

15 hours ago, goosh69 said:

Don’t spread disinformation.

I would make the same point.

There is a LOT of wishful thinking going on with this misconception that these inoculations provide anything more than a boost to your own immune response. 99% of humans make a natural immune response to Covid19. How quickly and efficiently your immune system works is the key to prevention. The idea that you being inoculated and your sexual partner being inoculated is "safer" only works if neither of you ever encounter someone who is Covid positive.

Edited November 22, 2021 by pubic_assistance
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[+ DrownedBoy]

Yes, the quality of the merchandise has declined. This fall, I hired two guys I wanted to try out, but both of their photos were pre pandemic and showed muscle they lost during the interim.

Luckily, my libido cooled down during the interim as well. I was thinking of visiting a market this weekend, then decided I'd rather read by the fireplace. Maybe getting old has its advantages.

[Enronnja]

On 11/21/2021 at 5:45 PM, Merboy said:

I think the escorting world died out five years ago actually.  It's just not the same as it was 10 years ago in 2011 and by 2016, you start to see it just decline altogether.  When they shut down Rentboy, that did a lot of harm to this industry.  The stigma associated with it and the decline in Sex in general in America, but also COVID did a number on everything.  It's hard selling your body during a Plague... and maybe this is the new normal, that the escorts are subpar, there isn't a lot of demand from younger generations for sex workers, and it's just too damn fucking expensive for everyday people.  You've literally got to be making at least $100,000 to hire these men.  That $300 hourly rate's going to go up too - up to $500 or $1,000 for just one hour.  Gay guys have it easy.  It's a lot more expensive in the straight world.  I just don't see muscular hunks on Rentmen that much anymore - all the old ones retired and they have not been replaced with a new stable of studmuffins... they're either at home playing video games, at their gyms working out to tease us and make us feel sad because we can't get fucked by them, or they're in the Middle East of all places (which I'm sorry but sucks and I don't think any American should go to any country in the ME that is not Israel).

Thats because 10 years ago, OF, JFF didn’t exist. A lot of these guys depending on escorting to supplement their income. It use to be about, put up and shut up. I was scrolling through my Twitter feed recently and come to the realization, escorts pretty much want to have sex with good looking muscular guys and make money. Thats why you are now seeing subpar. 

23 hours ago, HoseMaster said:

Robbed?  What happened?  Sorry to hear this. 

I can’t go into detail, but a escort I discussed recently robbed me. If you look through threads and reviews I have written you should see it. 

[coriolis888]

On 11/20/2021 at 1:40 PM, tassojunior said:

I meant when the hard lockdown came off after the decline and guys started hiring like crazy and rates soared. I think most people with vaccines are still willing to hire but from what I hear clients are getting scarce. The market has swung like......

I don't think that clients are getting scarce.   Clients still exist.  Clients are being more picky when choosing a provider.  

I think that many clients are disgusted with the rates jump of 50 % or more. 

Worse than that, too many providers insist on being paid in advance or want deposits.

Also, I have noticed that more providers use drugs, which is a turn off to me and likely to other clients. 

Hence, a shortage of clients or an increase in clients more selective.    

Things change.    

[+ Pensant]

5 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

I don't think that clients are getting scarce.   Clients still exist.  Clients are being more picky when choosing a provider.  

I think that many clients are disgusted with the rates jump of 50 % or more. 

Worse than that, too many providers insist on being paid in advance or want deposits.

Also, I have noticed that more providers use drugs, which is a turn off to me and likely to other clients. 

Hence, a shortage of clients or an increase in clients more selective.    

Things change.    

I just haven’t experienced these 50% increases or increased demands for deposits. These seem to be more the demands of the heavily muscled providers, not the newer generation of Gen Z’s who I’ve interacted with recently.

[HoseMaster]

17 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

I don't think that clients are getting scarce.   Clients still exist.  Clients are being more picky when choosing a provider.  

I think that many clients are disgusted with the rates jump of 50 % or more. 

Worse than that, too many providers insist on being paid in advance or want deposits.

Also, I have noticed that more providers use drugs, which is a turn off to me and likely to other clients. 

Hence, a shortage of clients or an increase in clients more selective.    

Things change.    

I recently reached out to a muscular guy visiting the West Coast recently that has tons of good reviews (on RentMen) to inquire about his in-call, out-call, and overnight rates.  His response was:

• $350 in-call (acceptable)

• $500 out-call (too high)

• $2,500 overnight (G.T.F.O.)

He even said, “My overnight is 2,500 very nice guy here and guaranteed service. You're going to have your best experience for sure”

I can—and still do—have overnights for as little as $1,000 that are phenomenal.  I don’t feel I’ll get any more out of some other guy charging more than twice that rate, expect the feeling of “How much did you just fork out for that night?!?!?”  Plenty of fish in the sea still…

 

[BaronArtz]

42 minutes ago, HoseMaster said:

 

• $2,500 overnight (G.T.F.O.)

 

At that rate, I much rather have 2 amazing escorts at $500 an hour each, staggered on a Saturday night, and another one at $500 for 2 hours Sunday morning - for sex and maybe brunch, to keep it civil.

And that would be $1,500 spent instead of $2,500

Do these guys not understand simple math?

Edited November 24, 2021 by BaronArtz

[jtwalker]

I hire less based on lessons learned from previous hires, but it has nothing to do with Covid.  I did avoid hiring during 2020, but this year I've been too busy if anything.  I don't find it to be much more expensive and I still find quite a few good options when I have the time.

I also seem to have noticed that the more expensive guys are seldom worth it.  My best encounters have been with guys in the $200-$250 range.  I usually give everyone about $300 regardless of what they're asking and don't hire anyone over $300.

[HoseMaster]

8 minutes ago, jtwalker said:

 

I also seem to have noticed that the more expensive guys are seldom worth it.  My best encounters have been with guys in the $200-$250 range.  I usually give everyone about $300 regardless of what they're asking and don't hire anyone over $300.

My thought exactly!  I’ve found over my years of hiring that there is absolutely no correlation between price and encounter.  
 

I recently went on a week-long trip out of the country with an escort that only charged me $2,500 for the week.  Can’t complain whatsoever.  

[Islesguy]

19 minutes ago, HoseMaster said:

My thought exactly!  I’ve found over my years of hiring that there is absolutely no correlation between price and encounter.  
 

I recently went on a week-long trip out of the country with an escort that only charged me $2,500 for the week.  Can’t complain whatsoever.  

$2,500 for the week? I wish the guy I spent a week with charged me that. The session was very well worth what I paid, but I could have done another one if he had charged me only $2,500

[HoseMaster]

38 minutes ago, Islesguy said:

$2,500 for the week? I wish the guy I spent a week with charged me that. The session was very well worth what I paid, but I could have done another one if he had charged me only $2,500

Yes.  I’ve done a few “vacations” with escorts over the years, and $2,500 for the week is the most I’ve spent.  If you ask around, you’ll find ones that will do that rate.

[Islesguy]

4 hours ago, HoseMaster said:

Yes.  I’ve done a few “vacations” with escorts over the years, and $2,500 for the week is the most I’ve spent.  If you ask around, you’ll find ones that will do that rate.

I'm sure you are right but I cannot imagine anyone charging $200-300 an hour asking for less than $1000 a day for a weeklong sojourn with a client. If you want to pm the names of the guys who gave you these deals, I'd be all ears.

Edited November 24, 2021 by Islesguy

[coriolis888]

7 hours ago, HoseMaster said:

 

I can—and still do—have overnights for as little as $1,000 that are phenomenal.  I don’t feel I’ll get any more out of some other guy charging more than twice that rate, expect the feeling of “How much did you just fork out for that night?!?!?”  Plenty of fish in the sea still…

 

Where are you finding these rates?  Rentmen advertisers ask for a lot more than that when you contact them.  

This has happened with me and several friends who find the increased rates (some rates doubled) and insistence on a deposit (in advance) ridiculous.  

No wonder there is a shortage of clients.   We are tired of getting ripped off.  

[HoseMaster]

1 hour ago, coriolis888 said:

Where are you finding these rates?  Rentmen advertisers ask for a lot more than that when you contact them.  

This has happened with me and several friends who find the increased rates (some rates doubled) and insistence on a deposit (in advance) ridiculous.  

No wonder there is a shortage of clients.   We are tired of getting ripped off.  

There is a guy in Orlando I’ve flown out twice for a weekend rate of $2,000 (two nights, and roughly 40 hours or so of being together).  One guy in San Diego charges me $1,200, and another new one from down there charges me $1,500 for an overnight.  The guy that charges me $1,200 initially quoted me $1,800 for an overnight from 10 pm to 6 am.  When I told him I like my guys to arrive early enough to have dinner first, have some fun time after, sleep for at least six hours, and a little more cuddling and fun time in the morning before he goes, he reduced his rate for me, as he thought I wanted to stay up all night for PNP for the shorter length, higher rate session.

Edited November 24, 2021 by HoseMaster

[MscleLovr]

1 hour ago, HoseMaster said:

I told him I like my guys to arrive early….sleep for at least six hours….more cuddling and fun time in the morning….he reduced his rate….as he thought I wanted to stay up all night for PNP for the shorter length, higher rate session.

This mirrors my own experience @HoseMaster.
 

I had some great dates with a handsome, blond muscleboy-bottom, 23 before I asked him for an overnight. He was new to the business and quoted me $2500. When I explored his pricing, it transpired that he’d only done 1 overnight date before; it was with a fit 30 year old who topped him 5x between bouts of kissing and oral so he’d barely slept at all.

I explained my routine (full, athletic sex session on arrival, good restaurant dinner, shorter session before 7 hours sleep, and oral to completion before breakfast) and he immediately responded with $800. We had an enthusiastic and passionate time, and he became a regular date for me. 

[+ Pensant]

Total hotties for $1,000/night and a frequent regular for 3 nights for $2,400. I love an intense evening session, then 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep. They do, too.

[+ bigjoey]

10 hours ago, HoseMaster said:

Yes.  I’ve done a few “vacations” with escorts over the years, and $2,500 for the week is the most I’ve spent.  If you ask around, you’ll find ones that will do that rate.

Same here.  In the days before the pandemic when I hired for a week or more, if the activity that week included a great location with great experiences that appealed to the escort, the price for his time dropped.

 

[HoseMaster]

I think part of the reason for spike hikes is no one calls them out on it.  If they say their rate is $1,000, and someone pays it, they’re worth $1,000 from then on out.  A new person comes along asking for the rate, and then they replay back “$1,500 for the overnight”.  If the new person pays it, they’re now worth $1,500 from then on out.  Now they’re getting $1,500, and someone new comes along to ask.  “$2,000 for the overnight!”  Someone pays that, and that’s their new go rate.

Someone quoted me $300 hourly and $2K overnight, so I told them what I like to see happen in an overnight.  This is how the conversation went, showing they’re willing to negotiate.  Although I never saw them this time around, I might be able to get a more price seeing what I see here.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Wow. 

This thread turned into a race to the bottom rather quickly, didn't it. 

For the guys who have cultivated clientele, the demand remains strong.

Not negotiating and saying 'no' because you can is still the greatest power an escort has.  

Edited November 25, 2021 by Benjamin_Nicholas

[robberbaron4u]

Scarcity runs the market, and, the market is heavily saturated with escorts at this time. Being that my professional life was in international banking, I know it to be a matter of fact that there "ain't no such thing" as "free money"; the "bill", if you will, has to be footed by someone in the end, or, as Louis XV put it, succinctly, "After me, the flood". Sadly, the day will come for the boys in the business that the proposition of "make me an offer" will be  the "going rate". 

[mike carey]

16 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

For the guys who have cultivated clientele, the demand remains strong.

And I suspect that holds true whether you intended 'cultivated' as a verb (past participle) or an adjective.

[HoseMaster]

1 hour ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

Not negotiating and saying 'no' because you can is still the greatest power an escort has.  

‘Tis true.  The escort that wanted $2,500 for the overnight didn’t seem to want to negotiate, so I left it at that.  Just because he tried to say he would be a “very nice guy”, “guaranteed service”, etc, was not even remotely tempting me to try him at that rate.  However, when there are guys that peak my interest, and they come back with some ridiculous price, I have no problem stating my expectations, that I’m not wanting to stay up all night, etc, and see what they come back with.  If they’re willing to negotiate, I see what we can work out.  If not, I move on, or see some regulars.  I’ve been doing this for nearly 20 years, and as I’ve said before, the price paid for services rendered has no correlation at all as to how well the appointment goes.

[coriolis888]

2 hours ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

 

For the guys who have cultivated clientele, the demand remains strong.

 

That is true for most of the escorts that have been around a while and who treat their clients fairly. 

It is the newer guys, many with lousy reviews on rentmen, who think they can command higher prices equal to the rates of escorts that have been around a while and have made a name for themselves with clients. 

The above is a major reason for the supposed shortage of clients.  Or, clients unwilling to pay inflated rates for almost every provider advertising.