Bait and Switch, Cum in Hand?

[HoseMaster]

I have seen a local provider for usually around 2 hours each time for the last year, and his usual charge for me for that is $600.  He really gets into kissing and making out, and we really get into it which I love.  We had often talked about doing an overnight, and finally had set a date for last night to do one.  We had agreed upon $1,500 as his rate for at least 12 hours.
 

It was going to be at my house, but then I get a text about Ubering him to my house, as he had a flat tire.  I didn’t think much of it, so I agreed.  If I do an overnight, I like to do a dinner before as well.  We were supposed to meet at 8 pm, and as the time approaches, I get this text: “Hey don’t think I’ll be able to come tonight. My bf isn’t comfortable with the cuddling/sleeping in the same bed together with someone else. We can play but he’d rather I keep that exclusive to us.”  I then asked if he’d rather just stick to our 2-hour appointments then?  He replied, “I could do 2-4 hours hang/dinner and play but the sleepover thing he’s not comfortable with.”  I asked him then if $800 was cool for 4 hours including a nice dinner, to which he agreed.  
 

He then asked about coming to him instead, so I drove up to downtown LA and met him at his neat little apartment, met his cats, and walked over to a very good hip little restaurant that was full of life, and had some drinks and dinner.  My bill there was $200.  We talked about him getting serious with his new BF and how he didn’t want the snuggling, but he also was upset how the new BF was just making out with one of his best friends during a recent trip to Miami.

On the walk back home, he said if you want to stay for an overnight then, I guess we can do that then.  As we got home, he got very “boyfriend-ish”, put some sweats on , took off his shirt, laid on my chest, put my hand on his chest and abs, and asked to watch a movie.  I obliged, and he asked to move it to the bedroom and watch from there instead.

We watched the complete movie, and he was laying all over me being very cuddly.  When it was over, he asked if I wanted to watch some porn and got naked and got some lube.  I grabbed him, and he grabbed me.  I told him to slow down, and he said he liked to make a man cum in his hand.  I said I didn’t want to cum that easy and let’s take this further, so we did.

When we were done, he didn’t kiss or get intimate like before.  I felt like he just wanted to finish me off quickly, and just made that up about the “cum in hand”.  He then said we should probably just wrap it up now, which by now was 2 am, and six hours after I had got there.  I didn’t really want to drive home at that time, but didn’t want to make waves either.  I told him I only brought the $800 as requested, and I asked what more did he want, as this was no longer an overnight, but longer than what we first agreed upon.  He asked for $400 more, and I was a little ticked off as this was now near the price of his overnight, but only in half the time. Plus, he didn’t even kiss or make out at all as he does in his normal routine. He told me he took PayPal & Venmo.  I reluctantly agreed.

Now I feel I got ripped off.  He asked to watch a movie, as I thought this was transitioning into an overnight.  Then the movie was over, and I feel like he then wanted to finish me up quickly.  I kinda feel baited and switched, and he was trying to milk more money out of me for not a lot of work: $1,200 for a 6 hours: 2 1/2 hour dinner, 1/2 hour walk, 2 hour movie, and about 45 minutes of fun.  If I would’ve known the whole thing up front, I would’ve said let’s just come back and do what we were gonna do, and I’ll go home.  I didn’t need to pay him essentially to watch a movie.

If I use him again, I’ll just go back to our normal 2 hour routine.  However, now I feel a slight edge of him being a hustler.

Edited September 23, 2021 by HoseMaster

[+ StLouisOct]

The guy has shown you what he’s really like. Time to move on rather than set yourself up for further disappointment.

[Wanderoz]

OMG!  Sounds like he charged you extra for an evening at the theatre, watching his drama live on stage.

Move on from this train wreck.  You survived the crash, now crawl out of the wreckage.  

[+ DERRIK]

Move on

[jetlow]

I need more details here.  - What movie did you watch?

I wouldn't use him again. He burned the relation you had as a client - I feel like you should tell him that. I would. Be nice about it though . 

I feel like since he has a BF, his escorting days are winding down, he had to take one last hit at the golden goose. 

Its done.  LA has lots of aspiring talent, I am sure you can find a replacement. 

No way I am going to repeat this 1200 mistake.

 

Edited September 23, 2021 by jetlow

[+ glutes]

3 hours ago, HoseMaster said:

 However, now I feel a slight edge of him being a hustler.

I have a heavy edge that he's a hustler.

[Luv2play]

I think he jerked you around. I agree with others that you should see if you can find a replacement. If you are in LA, that should not be too difficult.

[Jostar]

Sorry to say this but he played you. It best to find someone else that you'll have a better time with. Than waste so much money on a trickster. 

[+ Pensant]

One must be judicious re overnights!

[+ DrownedBoy]

You've been scammed.

Write up a review somewhere to warn the rest of us.

[HoseMaster]

7 hours ago, jetlow said:

I need more details here.  - What movie did you watch?

I wouldn't use him again. He burned the relation you had as a client - I feel like you should tell him that. I would. Be nice about it though . 

I feel like since he has a BF, his escorting days are winding down, he had to take one last hit at the golden goose. 

Its done.  LA has lots of aspiring talent, I am sure you can find a replacement. 

No way I am going to repeat this 1200 mistake.

 

We were looking for a movie to watch on his Netflix.  It ended up being Crazy Rich Asians.

Yeah, I feel burned.

Sounds like he’s had a few boyfriends.  The BF wants him to give up escorting, and he feels he can’t do that yet.  It seems the BF has made out a few times with some of his friends as well.

[lonely_john]

10 hours ago, HoseMaster said:

I asked what more did he want

It was your own mistake. When you asked this, he immediately knew he could rip you off very hard. Boyfriend my ass. From the moment he started changing the initial agreement it was already a huge red flag and you just had to stick to your $800 and say that you'd discuss what would be a fair difference to pay later, or on the next session, then leave.

LESSON LEARNED AND NEVER AGAIN.

[Jostar]

2 minutes ago, lonely_john said:

It was your own mistake. When you asked this, he immediately knew he could rip you off very hard. Boyfriend my ass. From the moment he started changing the initial agreement it was already a huge red flag and you just had to stick to your $800 and say that you'd discuss what would be a fair difference to pay later, or on the next session, then leave.

LESSON LEARNED AND NEVER AGAIN.

You are exactly right. The provider could been lying his ass off. His so call boyfriend and excuses. 

[HoseMaster]

55 minutes ago, lonely_john said:

It was your own mistake. When you asked this, he immediately knew he could rip you off very hard. Boyfriend my ass. From the moment he started changing the initial agreement it was already a huge red flag and you just had to stick to your $800 and say that you'd discuss what would be a fair difference to pay later, or on the next session, then leave.

LESSON LEARNED AND NEVER AGAIN.

When it was time to go, I knew I had stayed with him an extra two hours than agreed upon.  I felt I owed more to be fair, but at the same time, the extra time was really only watching that movie with him.  I figured maybe by me treating him to a nice dinner and being very easy with him, he might just take the original amount agreed upon.   I don’t need to pay someone to eat with me, watch a movie with me, or anything else I can do with family or friends. I pay them for massages or other intimate fun.  If it’s part of an overnight, those other things can happen as well to break up the time.  
 

I offered $200, but then he said 6 hours was $400 more. I was a little taken back.  I should have said more, such as, “Hey, you wanted to do the overnight after all, so I thought you wanting to watch the movie was part of the overnight.  Now you wanted to end the overnight, but still charge me $400 to watch that movie with you?”

[caliguy]

Wow.  That takes some giant cajones to charge you all that for a dinner, movie and a small amount of lame sex. He must be really hot though for you to even consider using him again after that.  

[+ Coolwave35]

You have a relationship with this guy. He isn’t just a random first time hire. Call him tomorrow and talk it out. Tell him you’re noticing it isn’t sitting well with you and you need to talk it out. Tell him you feel taken advantage of and you don’t like that feeling. Give him an opportunity to unhustle you in my opinion. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

39 minutes ago, Coolwave35 said:

You have a relationship with this guy. He isn’t just a random first time hire. Call him tomorrow and talk it out. Tell him you’re noticing it isn’t sitting well with you and you need to talk it out. Tell him you feel taken advantage of and you don’t like that feeling. Give him an opportunity to unhustle you in my opinion. 

This is the most mature advice yet. 

Communication always wins out over blinding bitterness. 

If it still doesn't jive, don't make a big deal about it and just move forward. 

[+ nycman]

14 hours ago, Wanderoz said:

You survived the crash, now crawl out of the wreckage.  

My new advice for everything!

[Lazarus]

The guy is playing you for a sucker. He is taking advantage of you & treating you like an ATM. If you like being played for a fool, then call him & “talk it out”. I’m sure he will feed you some bullshit. 

[jtwalker]

I would move on.  At best, this guy is playing a lot of games.

[HoseMaster]

I’m just realizing another thing too, although it’s water under the bridge now.  When I inquired about how long his overnights usually last, he said he had to be logged on at his house for work the next day.  I said I could work around that, as I told him I like a little bit of “morning time” in an overnight.  Otherwise an overnight is completely worthless to me, as I don’t need someone sleeping next to me just to wake up and leave.  When I got to his house, he said his full time job now was escorting and left his normal job.  Now I’m thinking he made all that shit up about even having to log on at 9 am as an excuse to end an overnight at a certain time.

[MscleLovr]

You’ve had excellent advice from various people here @HoseMaster. 
 

Stop thinking about this disaster and all the details of how it happened. If you’d been robbed by a stranger, you wouldn’t be thinking about how you might have negotiated better with the robber. 
 

This guy simply abused the relationship you had with him. His motto seems to me to be ‘Maximum $ for Minimum Effort’. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

One thing I learned the hard way:

If you agree on a price, and the guy later says he wants more, CANCEL IMMEDIATELY.

1. If you turn down their request, the session will be lousy or a lot shorter than expected.

2. If you pay them more, they've pegged you as a sucker, and will keep asking for more.

This is a business deal. You don't offer more money when buying something.

[jeezifonly]

Sorry that you got hosed in learning this lesson, @HoseMaster

Hearing about this is a good reminder to us clients, that dating is a reciprocal arrangement, and hiring is not. Spending time with vs spending money on.
Understandably it’s easy to let the nice feelings muck up one’s spidey senses about the business part. He admitted that he has a boyfriend, so he was clear that you were definitely not that. He’s charged you that amount …to watch …Netflix? The relation you have (had) to him is your custom, and he was never interested in keeping even that.
That he began with the “last minute flat tire” speaks to his premeditation in taking advantage.

Members have correctly pointed out that in LA we have many other options available. Take that to heart. Delete and block his number, and don’t retell this event to any provider you spend time with/money on.

Dating is time with, hiring is money on.

You’ll be fine going forward.

[Flynn]

Hose Master, don't retirn to the scene of the crime.