Paying for the Uber

[Islesguy]

Has anyone order flowers or candy for delivery and not paid the additional amount for the delivery cost? I don't see how that's different than paying a guy's transportation costs to you. My family's candy shoppe provides free delivery for any place within 5 miles. Any farther and we start charging a delivery fee to cover the costs of delivery.

[John]

Distance matters a lot. Almost all my hiring is in the center of a big city with excellent public transportation. I don't pay for Uber, but I will pay a surcharge for an out call.

Others here put me in the "cheap" crowd. I would put these others in the "throwing money away" crowd.

[cany10011]

NYC subway is not very efficient

Where is the subway not efficient? Most escorts who visit me get to come to a very nice neighborhood. I don’t pay Uber to go from Times Square to Chelsea for myself, why would I pay an escort to do so? I’d rather pay more so he can grab a cab than to coordinate getting an Uber for him. Or, I’d offer to pay him to use his own Uber account and I would reimburse him. Coordinating the ride, sending a text of the confirmed Uber driver, and then telling the Uber driver, that he is picking up my ”friend” at such and such a corner is way too much. I’ve done it before and it is just more cumbersome.

[Skip]

I don’t consider paying a guy $300+ for an hour of his time as treating him like a lowlife or being cheap. And let’s be honest, there are millions of people out there working for their money, getting over rough spots, supplementing income of a lower paying job, and getting through school. None of them get paid that rate for their time, nor do they have their transportation paid for them getting to and from that second job to supplement their income.

 

Now, if you’re hiring someone who isn’t local, he should absolutely be compensated for his travel, but I’m not paying someone a higher outcall rate plus their transportation if he’s a half hour away. Last year, I hired a California provider for a weekend, bought his airline ticket, and flew him to me. I see a NY provider regularly and pay his transportation costs to me. That’s understandable and expected. My daily transportation costs for my job are on me. If I need to travel for work, I expense the travel to my employer.

 

I find it interesting that providers want clients to understand they’re running a business and want it to be treated as such, until, for some, treating it like a business isn’t advantageous to them.

If you're paying 300+, what's an Uber ride?

[+ RJD]

If you're paying 300+, what's an Uber ride?

 

I’ll make you a deal. When the in/out rates are the same, I’ll pay for an Uber. What is the higher out rate for if not to compensate for travel?

 

But, you do you. If you’re comfortable paying extra for an outcall plus footing the transportation, have at it.

[cany10011]

Asking a client to pay for transportation fees is normal if they are outside the scope of what is built into an escort's business model. For example, most of my business is incall at my place in SF, which is in the leather district, or outcall to clients who live within 20 minutes or less from me by car. I do charge an extra 100 for Outcall to cover my travel time and expense when I go to a client's place, because my Incall rate doesn't factor in that time or expense. But let's say that a client asks me to do an Outcall to a place that's 45-55 minutes away from me by car. Suddenly my $100 Outcall fee doesn't really feel like it covers almost 2 hours of travel time in addition to the appointment plus the cost of the Uber anymore. I'm definitely going to ask the client to pay for my transportation if they want me to travel that far to visit them. This "business model" factor is obviously going to be subjective to every escort, but it's nothing to take personally or get offended about if someone asks you to cover transportation costs. It only means that this additional cost hasn't been factored into their pricing structure already.

 

Besides this, if this is a client I have *never* met before and have no way of verifying as real/serious, it's very difficult to justify spending so much time and money out of my pocket to go find out. Frankly, most of us who have been escorting for more than a few months or years have had clients send us on wild goose chases to appointments that didn't exist. You only do that once or a few times before you become skeptical of traveling far for someone who you don't know. Asking a client to book an uber is a good guarantee that the appointment on the other end is likely real. Bored guys making fake appointments with escorts to entertain themselves aren't going to invest any money into their prank. And clients who agree to send an uber tend to be respectful, considerate clients who value my service. Some clients even enjoy sending ubers because at least that way they know the escort is going to show up, and exactly when!

 

There was definitely a time when I was less likely to ask for uber fare. Back when uber was really cheap and it was easier to eat the cost in my Outcall fee. Back when public transportation didn't feel like a petri dish for infectious diseases. But we're not living in those times.

 

These days I've started asking most NEW clients who want Outcall to book my Uber/Lyft or send an advance deposit. But I generally also tell them that if they plan to repeat with me that I will handle my own transportation in the future, since we will already know each other. I generally prefer to arrange my own transportation anyway and the entire reason I ever ask anyone to book it for me is purely as a test to ensure that I am not being sent on a wild goose chase with a new/unknown client.

 

Thank you for providing the escort's perspective. This makes justifying an uber in your situation much more reasonable.

[Skip]

I’ll make you a deal. When the in/out rates are the same, I’ll pay for an Uber. What is the higher out rate for if not to compensate for travel?

 

But, you do you. If you’re comfortable paying extra for an outcall plus footing the transportation, have at it.

Really not important, I'm not hiring you and you're not hiring me.

[NJmusclelover]

Wow. some of you guys are very stingy.

 

Considering escort rates have not gone up with inflation over the past 10 years or so, Paying a bit more for an Uber is not too much to ask for.

I’ll never pay for an Uber for an escort , that to me is the escorts responsibility and a real turn off when they ask me to pay for it

[Monarchy79]

Like any other business-related fee, for any other profession, I believe that an escort should factor it into his hourly rate.

 

Attorneys, doctors, hairstylists, house cleaners, or any other proprietor does not ask for a separate Uber fee, so why should an escort.

 

Also, IMO, it comes off kinda tacky, especially since the average escort earns a MINIMUM of $300 per hour.

[Monarchy79]

If you can’t afford to give up an extra 20 or so to get that escort to you stress free, then you shouldn’t be hiring in the first place.

 

I respectfully think you’re missing some of the points these guys are making. It’s not that they can’t afford to provide an extra $20 bucks. It’s the overall idea of being asked, that is off-putting.

 

If I were an escort, I would just simply charge an out call rate, that would factor in transportation.

 

But having a rate and then telling the said customer, “oh, you need to pay extra for my Uber”, is so not-sexy....

 

A hot, sexy, high-class escort, who understands his brand, charges a rate (that clients don’t mind paying, regardless of the price) , and leaves the rest of the mechanics behind his service (i.e. transportation), a mystery. But a provider who starts negotiating with a client over Uber rates, and a back & forth of nickel & dime-ing, has reduced himself from an escort, to a “ street hustler”.

 

And yes, there is a difference.

Edited April 19, 2021 by Monarchy79

[CheckCar]

I’m guessing they do it because they can. When a critical mass of clients stop paying for Ubers, then perhaps providers will stop making that request.

[HoleTrainer]

The rate cap for what most clients consider to be reasonable is frankly way too low to factor in every possible operating expense into a base rate. It would be one thing if a client included the outcall address in his initial inquiry before requesting a price quote, but in most cases that's simply not how it happens. If clients were more accepting of higher rates across the board, I'm sure more escorts would not itemize expenses like uber fees. I charge around 300-400 in an attempt to compromise between an accessible market rate and the rates I'd prefer to be charging ($1K and up for multihour meetings), but even guys in very high cost-of-living areas consistently balk at paying $300. Now I have over a decade of experience in the industry and my marketing draws a lot of attention, so I have the perspective to just move onto the next client who IS willing to pay. But most escorts without my experience level probably feel they cannot charge as much as they want to cover every possible expense. I definitely understand the clients' desire for an all-inclusive price, but when rates do not rise with inflation, this is simply not practical. I am glad to see that 300+ is a number clients are getting more comfortable with now. I remember even 5-10 years ago, it was seen as a lot more wild to be asking even that much. So the rates have risen a little. Just not enough for all the bells and whistles to be "included". And as I mentioned above, a lot of times the direct Uber request is also a screening mechanism to weed the real bookings from the flakes.

[DMICS]

I have recently contacted several escorts that I have not met before. All were very nice, asked for a normal fee, and asked that I pay for their transportation to me and then back home. I have been using the same escorts for a long time and I never pay their transportation fee. Is paying for the Uber a new norm?

 

It really depends on the situation but I've definitely noticed more and more now that will be asked for. I usually book outcalls and where I live isn't exactly in the "core" of the city where most providers are usually located. While we have transit, a normal trip to my location via train is an hour to 1hr30mins. Driving here is 20-30 mins. So if the provider doesn't drive (which is mostly the case), I'll cover their Uber. If I'm in another city, most times I'm in popular high density areas where most providers are so its a quick commute for them. I don't cover Uber in that scenario.

 

If someone asks you to send them money to cover the Uber, extremely high probability of being a scam.

 

Yeah, definitely abort if this happens.

 

 

This whole Uber thing is a modern development that I refuse to participate in. It used to be, for example, incall $300.00, outcall $350.00. Now it's outcall $350.00 (or more) plus Uber. I thought the reason for the extra $50 was to cover travel. I'm in NYC and we have a perfectly quick and efficient subway system which is faster, and immensely cheaper than getting around by a hired automobile. If the escort is too high-bred to stoop to the level of taking public transportation then he's too prissy for me anyway. If I'm really stuck on seeing the guy I tell him I'd rather give him a higher tip than give it to a chauffeur and risk him arriving late due to traffic problems and adding to pollution.

 

Same. To me that fee was for travel/time for an outcall vs. a lower rate if its an incall.

 

 

I find that traveling escorts are generally the ones who ask for an Uber. I don't pay it and break off discussions as soon as the request is made. At the same time, I have never objected to a surcharge for an out call as additional time is involved.

 

Which is understandable in most cases. But I also find local providers are asking for Ubers more now too. I'd say it's 50/50.

 

NYC subway is not very efficient

 

Considering 90% of NYC providers live in Manhattan, where there's multiple train options even during regular shutdowns, I'd say it's very efficient. I've had prominent providers walk or take the train when I'm in NYC.

 

 

My issue with sending an Uber is that I want anonymity, and don't want to link the hiring to my personal info. So I avoid the Uber thing but, depending on the exchange, will often offer to add a sum to the rate. I see that Outcall rates were higher to cover transportation costs, but I now think the outcall rate is more about the time the escort takes to go back and forth.

 

You can change your profile name and picture on Uber. I do this for my regular friends, and providers I hire. I just update my Uber account with the provider's picture and his "name." When the session is over and he's home safely, I updated my profile with my own information.

 

 

Distance matters a lot. Almost all my hiring is in the center of a big city with excellent public transportation. I don't pay for Uber, but I will pay a surcharge for an out call.

Others here put me in the "cheap" crowd. I would put these others in the "throwing money away" crowd.

 

Agreed 100% on both points.

 

Where is the subway not efficient? Most escorts who visit me get to come to a very nice neighborhood. I don’t pay Uber to go from Times Square to Chelsea for myself, why would I pay an escort to do so? I’d rather pay more so he can grab a cab than to coordinate getting an Uber for him. Or, I’d offer to pay him to use his own Uber account and I would reimburse him. Coordinating the ride, sending a text of the confirmed Uber driver, and then telling the Uber driver, that he is picking up my ”friend” at such and such a corner is way too much. I’ve done it before and it is just more cumbersome.

 

Depending on the weather I wouldn't even take the train from Times Square to Chelsea unless I'm in a rush. It's like 15 a min walk lol.

 

As for the Uber, you can change you account picture and name. I do it all the time. Just have to send a screenshot to the provider showing the driver, car, and how long it'll take to arrive. Change the account back to your regular info when everything is done.

[MrMattBig]

The rate cap for what most clients consider to be reasonable is frankly way too low to factor in every possible operating expense into a base rate. It would be one thing if a client included the outcall address in his initial inquiry before requesting a price quote, but in most cases that's simply not how it happens. If clients were more accepting of higher rates across the board, I'm sure more escorts would not itemize expenses like uber fees. I charge around 300-400 in an attempt to compromise between an accessible market rate and the rates I'd prefer to be charging ($1K and up for multihour meetings), but even guys in very high cost-of-living areas consistently balk at paying $300. Now I have over a decade of experience in the industry and my marketing draws a lot of attention, so I have the perspective to just move onto the next client who IS willing to pay. But most escorts without my experience level probably feel they cannot charge as much as they want to cover every possible expense. I definitely understand the clients' desire for an all-inclusive price, but when rates do not rise with inflation, this is simply not practical. I am glad to see that 300+ is a number clients are getting more comfortable with now. I remember even 5-10 years ago, it was seen as a lot more wild to be asking even that much. So the rates have risen a little. Just not enough for all the bells and whistles to be "included". And as I mentioned above, a lot of times the direct Uber request is also a screening mechanism to weed the real bookings from the flakes.

Absolutely agree. With hotel, flight, transportation expenses related to escorting it comes out to the same as what I pay in rent or more annually, essentially meaning I pay for 2 apartments. And new inquires still balk at my sub $300 rate.??

Having a $300 rate would help lessen the impact of that overhead greatly, but I would never hear the end of it and decrease the prospect of new clients drastically.

[+ azdr0710]

[lonely_john]

I'm glad I haven't suffered any of these inconveniences. I'm not far from the city center where most of the escorts live and where public transit is reliable, and even in case of interruptions not even one of my regulars have asked me to pay for transportation, but I did pay for a couple of times when it seemed like Uber was the only option. Most guys also charge more for Outcall so I assume they are smartly factoring in extra 'fees'. I have also seen a few prima-donnas asking for this Uber ride at which point I decline any further conversations not because I'm cheap but because it's completely out of the norm where I live, at least for me. Most providers seem to understand and try to save the sale they're about to lose. I would assume and respect requests for higher fees if the escort lives +1hr trip from the client but I'm pretty sure that's a situation not the client nor the escort want to get involved in.

Edited April 18, 2021 by lonely_john

[markeramzn]

I haven't seen anyone mention this, but I live 3 hours from the nearest city with any providers (I'm in West Virginia, and you are right to moan). There are times I have messaged an escort a few days to a week in advance, stating what I am interested in, why I'm asking early (I need to take time off work, book a hotel room, arrange a pet sitter, etc.), and for them to recommend a hotel or location that would be convenient for them to meet me.

 

It is rare for me to get any decent answer, and what I do generally get is "contact me after you arrive, and a couple hours before you want to meet."

 

Just like they want assurances that someone isn't sending them on a wild goose chase, I am looking for assurances that I have someone committed in advance before I make arrangements, pay the hotel, and drive the distance. And if I ask for someone to recommend a hotel that is close to them, and then they want money from transportation, then I feel something is wrong. If there wasn't a close option, then I wouldn't balk at paying them a little extra for transportation.

 

Hiring is a treat for me. As a single person making under $35,000 a year, the $1,000 I'll invest just for that hour meeting is a big deal for me personally. I don't argue with someone's rate or try to get a discount, they know their market and their worth. It would just be nice if they would sometimes understand other people's situations and respond accordingly, just as they want others to understand why they are asking their rate and for uber/other expenses.

[marylander1940]

I’ll make you a deal. When the in/out rates are the same, I’ll pay for an Uber. What is the higher out rate for if not to compensate for travel?

 

But, you do you. If you’re comfortable paying extra for an outcall plus footing the transportation, have at it.

 

talking about nickel and dimming... an extra 20 per hire won't break the bank!

[+ RJD]

talking about nickel and dimming... an extra 20 per hire won't break the bank!

And you wanted to know why I compared you to a 12 year old TikTok girl in the other thread. This right here. Your petty, little, poorly veiled insults. Our disagreement is in the politics sub-forum. Leave it there.

[marylander1940]

And you wanted to know why I compared you to a 12 year old TikTok girl in the other thread. This right here. Your petty, little, poorly veiled insults. Our disagreement is in the politics sub-forum. Leave it there.

 

others have raised the same question in this thread yet now you react this way.

 

when folks on here use homophobic language (girl) I know for sure they were called that way in person by bullies.

Edited April 19, 2021 by marylander1940

[+ harey]

Has anyone order flowers or candy for delivery and not paid the additional amount for the delivery cost? I don't see how that's different than paying a guy's transportation costs to you. My family's candy shoppe provides free delivery for any place within 5 miles. Any farther and we start charging a delivery fee to cover the costs of delivery.

To me that seems like comparing apples to oranges. Do you require your customers to pay the delivery driver directly and make the delivery arrangements themselves? That’s what’s happening when a client arranges Uber for a provider.

[+ harey]

I’ll never pay for an Uber for an escort , that to me is the escorts responsibility and a real turn off when they ask me to pay for it

Same. I’m not looking for a man who needs help with transportation.

[Islesguy]

I haven't seen anyone mention this, but I live 3 hours from the nearest city with any providers (I'm in West Virginia, and you are right to moan). There are times I have messaged an escort a few days to a week in advance, stating what I am interested in, why I'm asking early (I need to take time off work, book a hotel room, arrange a pet sitter, etc.), and for them to recommend a hotel or location that would be convenient for them to meet me.

 

It is rare for me to get any decent answer, and what I do generally get is "contact me after you arrive, and a couple hours before you want to meet."

 

Just like they want assurances that someone isn't sending them on a wild goose chase, I am looking for assurances that I have someone committed in advance before I make arrangements, pay the hotel, and drive the distance. And if I ask for someone to recommend a hotel that is close to them, and then they want money from transportation, then I feel something is wrong. If there wasn't a close option, then I wouldn't balk at paying them a little extra for transportation.

 

Hiring is a treat for me. As a single person making under $35,000 a year, the $1,000 I'll invest just for that hour meeting is a big deal for me personally. I don't argue with someone's rate or try to get a discount, they know their market and their worth. It would just be nice if they would sometimes understand other people's situations and respond accordingly, just as they want others to understand why they are asking their rate and for uber/other expenses.

You make an excellent point here. I see this as similar as a disabled person looking to hire. It's bad enough with all the flakes and scammers out there. You still have to hope the guy isn't going to mistreat you or hurt you while you are with him. It's a whole extra level of vulnerability to which you are exposing yourself.

[+ RJD]

others have raised the same question in this thread yet now you react this way.

 

when folks on here use homophobic language (girl) I know for sure they were called that way in person by bullies.

 

I'm reacting to your petty, antagonistic comment, not the subject of this thread. But you know that, oh Great Deflector!

[marylander1940]

I'm reacting to your petty, antagonistic comment, not the subject of this thread. But you know that, oh Great Deflector!

 

and hypocrite too!

 

I hope you treat escorts better and don't get offended by them.

 

it pays to treat folks like gentlemen, specially before sex.