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I realize you don't care, but this assumption is offensive. I have no interest in getting off via conversations in text or on the phone. My interactions are a means to an in-person end...with the right providor. You've made this accusation before, and your contempt for your clients is evident. I can see why you insist on a deposit in advance.

I never said they were there. I'm saying the scenario is not far fetched because other people NOT related to SavantSav have experienced exactly what they described. The fact that you're so bone headedly stubborn to keep doubling and tripling down on your dumb point, that you didn't understand that the other people were confirming the scenario happened to them separately and independently to what SavantSav described kinda proves my point that you're trying way too hard to assert your own experiences as the norm that everyone else here experiences or didn't actually experience. Which, again, has you looking really ridiculous here. Especially when in your own very next paragraph you talk about all your own regulars who also have told you of similar experiences. So what is it about SavantSav, that suddenly you know for such fact the review they're referring to is BS? Do you see the silliness in your argument here?

Funny how you didn't address SavantSav pointing out that other people here corroborated the experience you called BS on (cause you're wrong). You're trying way too hard to assert your experiences as the norm that everyone else here experiences too, while also being sassy about it, and it's making you look silly. And also like SavantSav said, not everyone who PNPs lists that on their RM profiles. Your suggestion there is a good one but it's not a guarantee or something anyone can have true control over because people sometimes lie or omit that information.

I'm not wrong. I just don't believe it. Nothing said here has changed my mind on that. No one here was with SavantSav at the time this 'happened', and so no one can actually 'corroborate' what transpired. 
I have arrived at group bookings where other providers have been high or under performed. I have been in situations where I was shocked by the behavior of the other providers in all manner of ways (hygiene, drug use, tardiness, politeness, outdated pics, poor effort). I have trusted regulars who have told me about providers who have been aggressive. I am certain that is true that provides can behave in these ways, and I am certain he has had bad encounters. 
I just don't believe that the initial experience he had with provider resulting in a 5star review was a bad one. Sorry. *Shrug* But it's not just my experience that tells me otherwise, it's also Rentmen's (admittedly deeply flawed) review policies. 
So once again - if there was a situation where someone DEMANDED you give up your phone to them (I don't believe this happened, but lets go with it) IF that was true - you can simply have the review removed by contacting Rentmen. They remove reviews at the posters request very quickly.
So it is way more likely that the review is still up because it was genuine, and now something has happened since the encounter and the reviewer has sour grapes/ the relationship has soured. 
This might surprise you - but people often come on here a tell half lies or complete BS in order to get sympathy and pats on the back- it makes them feel better about themselves I guess I don't know the motive. They put down providers here on the DAILY. 
Not sure what else to say my dude. Sorry but thats how I see it. 

WTH is going on with this thread. Classless 🤦‍♂️

You might characterize it as snarky. I don't. The point is that I am successful in making bookings and the other poster isn't. If you want to make a booking at 27 or HK you need to follow their current policy simple as that.

I have only one past experience to compare, and I'm going to give the "cliff notes" version, but if anybody wants the "filler" part that I'm leaving off, I'll be happy to provide:
Around 2006, a student at the university in the city where I reside took out an ad, which I believe was on the old Men4RentNow.  I replied the same way I've been replying to ads in the 21 years I've been hiring, which is to state the only three activities which "do it" for me:  being spanked (probably the biggest one), worshipping the provider's feet, and having my face sat upon.
It was obvious that he was new (and I'd only been hiring a couple of years at that time), so he asked if we could first meet at a restaurant to feel one another out.  I obliged.
During the meal, he harped on how disheartened he was that he could not pay his tuition for the upcoming semester and would therefore risk all of the hard work he'd put in pursuing his accounting degree and becoming a CPA.  Being an inactive CPA myself, we discussed (not to bore anyone) principles which I knew he should be learning based on the courses he told me he'd just taken.  Our discussion was highly, highly specific on accounting issues, and it was VERY obvious that he was a legitimate accounting student and was retaining what he'd learned.
When I returned home, I made a spontaneous decision to send him an email (iPhones had not yet even come out -- hence no texts) proposing that, if he was interested, I could pay his tuition as a prepayment for 13 meetings (tuition was $2,600 and back then $200 was the "going" rate).  I told him that we could meet at a restaurant the next day and I would provide the check.  He was ESTATIC!!  I KNEW as I handed the check over (payee was blank) that I had essentially no recourse if he never met with me, but I had compassion for him because he'd told me about having a tough time growing up with a father who had abandoned the family.
A couple of weeks after I supplied the check, it became obvious that he did not want to hold his end of the bargain (and clearly wasn't going to) and I knew there was nothing I could do.
<-------At this point is where I'm leaving a TON of material out, but I can supplement if anyone is interested.------->
I resolved myself that I'd just helped a young man out and let it go.  About five years later, I Googled his name, and I discovered a presentation he was making to a water system's Board of Directors (it was in the minutes).  He'd graduated, gotten his CPA license, and I actually was very, very happy for him notwithstanding the loss of funds on my end.
So, as far as I'm concerned, that was a "happy ending," and, being honest, I've thought about previously posting the whole episode to this forum, but I thought I'd be the laughing stock of the whole forum given that so many clients strenuously object to even providing a much smaller deposit for a single meeting (and I fully concur now).  Seeing so many others step up on this post, however, has caused me to be willing to publish my one and only similar situation.
From reading the initial post on this thread, I don't think the situation described has even the remotest possibility of having a "happy ending," so I have to agree with the sentiments expressed by others that you just have to let it go. 

There are ample examples of this among a few regular posters here, who frequently dehumanize providers.

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I have noticed more and more restaurants are using the term 'mocktails' rather than virgin.  Perhaps it was an issue with the word virgin rather than not actually offering such a drink.  Just a thought...

I have noticed more and more restaurants are using the term 'mocktails' rather than virgin.  Perhaps it was an issue with the word virgin rather than not actually offering such a drink.  Just a thought...

I don’t have a specific recommendation but just wanted to comment. I tend not to go below a certain age. I am 71. I always ask if older is OK, I state my age and I’ve had pretty good luck with that. In the encounters that I’ve had it seems the more important issue is are you well groomed, decently dressed and clean. I have had a couple of meetings with guys who I’m sure would never be interested outside of a paid encounter but who went the extra mile, were quite pleasant and complimentary. The kinder and nicer you are the better- treating them like a person instead of an object of your desire…ask about their life, etc. I avoid any ad where the profile language is rough, aggressive or anything like that but that’s just my own personal preference. 

“Provider” is just the term most longtime members use on this forum, probably going back to an earlier time when we were discouraged or not allowed to use the term “escort”. I wouldn’t read too much into it.

This topic sure went off the rails

It is true that in a place like NYC there are lots of other options for cruising nowadays, like gay bars, but some of us grew up when the social options were very different, so we still remember when public toilets were the only place where we could handle our cocks in public, much less make sexual overtures to another male. Old habits die hard. Then there are also the closeted gays who don't want to be seen in openly gay surroundings, and want to be able to plausibly claim, "I just came here because I needed to use the bathroom."
I went to college in a small city in farm country. One evening in the college library, I went to use the men's room, and when I sat down in a stall, the foot in the next stall started a tapping routine that I immediately recognized from my experience in Manhattan public men's rooms. When I returned the message, we both left and met outside in the hall. The guy turned out to be a former student who now lived in town, and I went home with him. After we had concluded our business at his place, I asked him why he was cruising in the college library. He said that all the actively gay men in the town knew that the library men's room was the standard place in town to pick up tricks, and if the guy in the adjoining stall didn't respond to the tapping foot, he probably didn't know what it meant and wasn't available. It was easy enough to just leave and start looking for something on the library book shelves, as if that were the only reason he was there.
Unfortunately, one evening the tapping foot turned out to belong to one of my professors. When he emerged from the stall and I saw who it was, I was dumbfounded, because he was the last person I would have wanted to have sex with, but I couldn't very well refuse after having signaled with my foot that I was available. Luckily, the semester was almost over, and I took no more courses with him.

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Maybe they have things to do other than sit on here and critisize others. Maybe theyre out being productive and actually hiring instead of just gossiping. I'm not sure why the fact that other older members aren't posting has anything to do with me?

Ok buddy. You should find a hobby. 

I think you’re on to something.  I’ve noticed the absence of a couple of very frequent posters as well.

Not everyone in the industry is equal. Why aren't you a professional athlete? Some people have better skills and features than others. That doesn't make another worthless. But the premium is going to be more exclusive and more expensive. If you dont understand that then I'm not sure what to tell you. Its a fact of life. 
A Honda civic won't be the same price as a Bugatti.... Use your head.

Getting down on your knees is relatively easy. It’s the getting back up you’ll need help with as you age. Lol

The argument that seeking a professional service, such as hiring a clown or meeting a "dreamy guy," requires agreeing to the provider’s terms, including a deposit, oversimplifies the dynamics of professional engagements and unfairly prioritizes the provider’s interests.
The claim that this is solely a "professional service" and not a relationship dismisses the mutual respect inherent in any professional interaction. Even in service based engagements, both parties, client and provider, have valid needs. My concern with deposits is that they solely benefit the provider and offer no protection to the client. A deposit secures the provider’s time but leaves the client vulnerable if the provider cancels, underperforms, or fails to deliver as promised. Additionally, there’s a privacy risk and the possibility of creating a paper trail that could come back to bite you later. The assertion that deposits are standard, like for a clown, ignores that most providers do not require them. Comparing a provider to a clown and arguing they deserve the same respect overlooks that respect is mutual. A clown’s deposit is part of a structured agreement, often backed by contracts or booking platforms, ensuring accountability. In contrast, a vague demand for $100 to “hold a spot” lacks transparency and accountability. Respect is earned through clear communication and fair terms, not blind compliance with one party’s demands.
While providers can set terms, clients are not obligated to accept them unquestioningly. A professional service should involve negotiation and transparency, ensuring both parties’ needs are met. Deposits may be reasonable in some very specific cases but since most providers operate without requiring one, clients should feel empowered to seek those who prioritize mutual trust over rigid demands.

The relevance of how long someone has been a member is simply that others here have little idea who you are.  For example, you could be someone who's been active on the site for a long time but decided to create a new profile simply to promote a specific point of view or specific provider while not having your posts tied to your well known identity.  
At the end of the day, this deposit or no deposit issue will never be resolved to everyone's satisfaction.  It's clearly in the provider's benefit as long as he has sufficient business to make up for the loss of some clients who never pay a deposit.  For a variety of reasons (privacy and concerns about being scammed being the top two) some clients will never pay a deposit.  It isn't like either side is incorrect, even if some of the arguments for requiring a deposit are far off the mark.  But I think even the "no deposits ever" clients here will acknowledge that a provider can run his business how he wants to (charge a higher than market rate, require a deposit, require a face photograph, etc), and they can simply book a different provider if they don't like those policies.

Whats all the "you’re new here" bullshit. 
You mean the longer I sit on a computer in my underwear discussing guys ill never have the nerve or the money to see that will make my word worth more?
Thats ok, you can have that. I hire PREMIUM and while I read about guys whining about a 50 dollar deposit I just send a guy 200 and that will get his attention fast. Money does certainly talk. And bullshit walks. I get the idea some of you are just hobbyists sitting around criticizing providers who you cant afford to see or they'd never give you the time of day anyway.
Im a below average looking 53 year old. But i pay good and im very considerate and that's why I think I always have a great experience.
I say lots of great things about the guys I've seen. The reason is I only hire at the top of the food chain. I always go after the upscale Instagram model looking ones and I haven't been disappointed in 20 years. It pays to play.