Rocca

Handsome guys in LA are a dime a dozen. Finding one with real massage talent and skill is a whole other thing

After thinking about it some more and listening to the feedback, I totally get why they’re not on this forum anymore. They are working, busy with their lives, and on TikTok, Twitter, and Instagram. And likely don’t see much benefit in being on the forum. It makes sense.

Is it me or does it seem like there are even fewer escorts and masseurs participating on this forum lately? What’s happening? There weren’t many on here a year ago, but there seems to be even fewer ones now. Have they been run off?

After thinking about it some more and listening to the feedback, I totally get why they’re not on this forum anymore. They are working, busy with their lives, and on TikTok, Twitter, and Instagram. And likely don’t see much benefit in being on the forum. It makes sense.

After thinking about it some more and listening to the feedback, I totally get why they’re not on this forum anymore. They are working, busy with their lives, and on TikTok, Twitter, and Instagram. And likely don’t see much benefit in being on the forum. It makes sense.

After thinking about it some more and listening to the feedback, I totally get why they’re not on this forum anymore. They are working, busy with their lives, and on TikTok, Twitter, and Instagram. And likely don’t see much benefit in being on the forum. It makes sense.

After thinking about it some more and listening to the feedback, I totally get why they’re not on this forum anymore. They are working, busy with their lives, and on TikTok, Twitter, and Instagram. And likely don’t see much benefit in being on the forum. It makes sense.

Is it me or does it seem like there are even fewer escorts and masseurs participating on this forum lately? What’s happening? There weren’t many on here a year ago, but there seems to be even fewer ones now. Have they been run off?

If I see “hot, fit & Black” in an ad, im ready to hire.

If I see “hot, fit & Black” in an ad, im ready to hire.

If I see “hot, fit & Black” in an ad, im ready to hire.

I don’t believe we are debating sexual preference based on race here. That’s a valid topic but different. 
We are talking about if trends exist in market rates based on race, driven by different treatment of providers based on their race. And that is tied to your closing statement on respect. 

In my experience, I have not seen much variation in price based on race or color. I have seen variation in price based on age, and maybe fitness level. Ive seen older men charge a little less, and Ive seen older men who aren’t as fit charge less. 
Guys with model/actor looks are going to charge about the same black or white. Guys with average looks charge about the same black or white.

I lean more towards, preppy and jocks....with big dicks

I lean more towards, preppy and jocks....with big dicks

All of what's mentioned by @Swazca and @Daniel84.I no longer do massage in LA, but I did until very  recently but when I stopped my rates started at $180 and went up from there. I have seen multiple client guys on this forum mention that when they see a masseur, they expect  him to be able to host at a convenient and/or desirable location, and they want the masseur to host in a nice place. According to an Apartment List Rent Report, rent is up 17.6% in year over year increases overall. With that being said, a massage by a great massuer, in a desirable location, in a nice place is not going to be on the low end of a price range. Not to mention inflation making everything more expensive, gas, supplies, etc.  Masseurs have to factor all of that in, in order to make it worthwhile to even offer clients the service. It's a business.

Yikes…i’m not sure if you will receive this in the spirit im intending it, but I would challenge you to look at the problem you are having with time-wasters differently. First of all, I empathize with you & I feel I can speak on this because I have managed to do really well in one of the flakiest, most saturated cities in the US (LA). If you want to P.M.  me for advice, Im happy to give feedback when I can by the way. Im not on here as often these days but I do login. That being said, Im sure it depends on the demographics of the location, and I can only speak from my experience, but I think in most territories, most of the clients are white, so most of the flakes, and time wasters you experience are going to be….you guessed it….also white. But you’ll have flakes in every color. The first few Black clients I had flaked on me consecutively and I started thinking Black clients are flakey, and then I got some really great  Black clients and I learned that it wasn’t a color issue at all, it’s just that flakes are just a part of the business. And it was a coincidence that 3 in a row flaked. But many more didn’t.
 
I also noticed you changed the title of this question from “white” to “all american” and I think you have to be very clear if you are suggesting that it may be a color thing you are experiencing since as you may have noticed from the responses, white and all American are not always synonymous. White is relegated to color, while All American lends itself to many characteristics that have nothing to do with color as others have described in their answers as well…and that could change the type of answers you get to your question. For example, if you’re in a city where the “all American” look is more popular, and you have that look, and there is a white guy  in the area that doesn’t have that look, (assuming your marketing and everything is good), then you are going to bring in more business than he will. With that being said, if you get too frustrated with the time-wasters and flakes, I think it is healthy to take a break from the business.
 
Also, you have to remember that you are a product, so if your product is good and it’s being marketed the right way to the right demographic in the right territory, it will do well regardless of the number of flakes that you will inevitably encounter. If you have it all together and you feel like the flakes are outnumbering the bookings, then that is your sign to move as quickly as you can, and it sounds like you’ve already figured out your location is bad for your business.

I’m intrigued by this question. Why are some people fascinated about the idea of a sex worker hiring a client??? Lol. 
 
There is no alternate universe or “other life”. Things are the way they are. Now you can ask, if sex worker and said client ever decided to form a “non-clock” relationship, and yes that happens. 
 
I won’t go into the pros and cons of such arrangements, but yes it can and does happen. Once it does, it can be subject to the same pitfalls as any traditionally started relationship. 
But the fantasy of an escort hiring a client: kill that. Clients aren’t going to earn money by becoming SuperSexman 🦸🏻‍♂️ 

No strings about its use attached!

Best comment I’ve read on this forum. Thank you for sharing this!👏🏻

To providers, what would you do with an extra grand, if it was given to you by a client as a Christmas present?

I would invest it, which is what I do with most of my massage money.

Everyone except providers are responding. I appreciate the replies, but this question is for providers.

Yes I do think so…. I’m a masseur, so I think I encounter less flakes than I would if I advertised as an escort, but there are flakes in every service based business. The key is figuring out  the best way to navigate that part of the business in a  healthy way. It’s trick, but I’ve been able to do that, so it’s definitely possible.

Are you the same person with your clients that you are in your personal lives?