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Whenever the major ad campaign of a large brand relies on sex, it's fair to assume that the majority of the models have been rigorously field tested by the client, the advertising executives, the modeling agents and the photographers. 
The assumption is fair, the practice is not. I hope these guys who have been subject to abuse (especially those under age) find justice. 

Try thinking of Top and Bottom as verbs, not as nouns. A man topping you tonight can bottom tomorrow. I find it incredibly hot when the expectation of type is disrupted by the natural inclinations of the human's desires. A lithe girly drag queen topping super-hung beefy bottom? Huzzah!! 

AI Summary of ALL previous comments. 
This thread is honestly fascinating because it slowly evolved into an unofficial “client handbook” for sensual/erotic massage providers over several years. The overall vibe is less about technique and more about professionalism, authenticity, atmosphere, and emotional intelligence.
Overall Forum Consensus
The biggest takeaway from the entire thread:
Again and again people came back to:
honesty, consistency, communication, hygiene, atmosphere, and making clients feel respected instead of processed like transactions. A mediocre massage with warmth and professionalism often beats a technically great massage with awkwardness, ego, deception, or poor communication.
The Major Themes
1. False Advertising Is the #1 Sin
This was probably the strongest recurring complaint.
People HATE:
heavily edited photos, old photos, misleading body pics, “therapeutic only” ads with erotic imagery, claiming training/certifications they clearly don’t have, promising amenities that don’t exist, charging for one thing then changing terms later. The recent AI-photo comment fits perfectly into the thread’s long-running theme:
That’s basically the modern version of:
“show current body hair,” “look like your photos,” “don’t oversell yourself.” The forum clearly values authenticity over perfection.
2. Professionalism = Huge Turn-On
People repeatedly said that simple professionalism creates loyalty:
being on time, confirming appointments, not cancelling last minute, not rushing sessions, communicating delays, not checking phones constantly, respecting the booked duration. One recurring emotional theme:
Clients hate feeling like:
an ATM, a backup option, or cattle being processed. That’s why your older quote about not soliciting constantly and instead building rapport resonated with people. The forum strongly agrees that:
3. Atmosphere Matters WAY More Than Many Providers Think
A surprising amount of discussion focused on ambiance:
music, lighting, cleanliness, sheets, scents, temperature, interruptions, pets, roommates, parking, ads playing on Spotify/YouTube. The “Spotify ad suddenly playing during massage” topic became almost legendary in the thread 😂
People were basically saying:
Also repeatedly mentioned:
heated tables, warmed oils, quality lotion, clean linens, avoiding rancid smells, trimming nails, fresh breath, no cigarette smell. Very “hospitality business” mindset.
4. Emotional Presence > Pure Technique
This may have been the deepest insight in the entire thread.
Several posters—including actual providers—said the best sessions happen when the client feels:
desired, attended to, emotionally present with, and not judged. One provider put it beautifully:
That idea came up repeatedly in different forms:
eye contact, reading body language, not seeming bored, adapting energy, not talking too much, making the client feel special. The thread basically argues that sensual massage is partly:
hospitality, performance, emotional intelligence, and energy management. Not just rubbing muscles.
5. Boundaries Matter Too
Interesting nuance:
The thread is NOT “anything goes.”
A lot of experienced posters stressed:
know your limits, communicate clearly, don’t get pressured, don’t promise what you can’t provide, don’t blur massage into escorting unless intentional. There’s actually a strong undercurrent of:
6. Regulars Are the Real Business
Many providers emphasized:
repeat clients are everything, consistency matters, regulars deserve flexibility, loyalty goes both ways. The thread repeatedly frames this less as “quick cash” and more as:
Some even compared it to building a long-term client book in other industries.
Funniest / Most Memorable Running Topics
The anti–Johnson’s Baby Oil campaign 😂
This came up MULTIPLE times.
People were passionately against it.
The music disasters
Examples included:
YouTube ads, pop dance music, notification sounds, answering texts mid-session, cheap phone speakers. Basically:
Pets ruining the fantasy
Several horror stories:
dogs staring during massages, cats on clothes, allergies, roommates unexpectedly appearing. The Evolution of the Thread
One cool thing:
You can actually see the culture evolve over time.
2018:
practical basics, setup, oils, timing, professionalism. 2019–2021:
branding, communication, reviews, follow-up etiquette, emotional connection. 2024–2026:
authenticity, photo editing, texting boundaries, image management, “don’t make this feel like Grindr.” The newer posts feel more cynical and more focused on authenticity because people are burned out from over-filtered marketing and transactional behavior.
Bottom-Line Summary
The forum’s collective philosophy basically became:
The best masseurs:
look like their photos, communicate clearly, create a relaxing environment, stay emotionally present, respect boundaries, avoid desperation, and make clients feel valued instead of processed. And the fastest way to lose clients is:
misleading advertising, bad communication, rushing, phone addiction, obvious thirst for money, or creating a disconnect between fantasy and reality. Honestly, for a random internet forum thread, there’s a weird amount of solid business psychology in it.
     

Try thinking of Top and Bottom as verbs, not as nouns. A man topping you tonight can bottom tomorrow. I find it incredibly hot when the expectation of type is disrupted by the natural inclinations of the human's desires. A lithe girly drag queen topping super-hung beefy bottom? Huzzah!! 

Try thinking of Top and Bottom as verbs, not as nouns. A man topping you tonight can bottom tomorrow. I find it incredibly hot when the expectation of type is disrupted by the natural inclinations of the human's desires. A lithe girly drag queen topping super-hung beefy bottom? Huzzah!! 

Attraction is kinda mysterious. There can be elements of it that change as we grow older, a few that situationally deepen and intensify, others that switch off after becoming associated with a terrible experience, and some aspects of attractiveness that last a lifetime.
I have experienced all of these. The two most attractive aspects that have remained and/or grown, are body hair and sense of humor.
 

No table?

 

"years ago, even decades" should sufficiently answer the main question.  😂
I think all the hookup apps available now are still doing what they set out to do. Things change, but hours spent from search to climax, the freebies are shorter and more regular. 
In a real life chance meeting, at a party, at a bar, a job, etc we got to sum each other up, maybe speak, have a laugh. A spark. Everything online is antithetical to that. I was paired and past cruising before everything went on line. Bulletin boards were it.
The hobby is more recent for me, and very limited because I understand what I want. No strings.
Many of us who successfully cruised for hookups in person, (decades ago) are far less appealing decades later, when represented by the harshness of ones and zeros now.
When a treat is needed, hiring automatically runs everything I have through a flattering filter for me. Always adds a touch of green. 
 

Attraction is kinda mysterious. There can be elements of it that change as we grow older, a few that situationally deepen and intensify, others that switch off after becoming associated with a terrible experience, and some aspects of attractiveness that last a lifetime.
I have experienced all of these. The two most attractive aspects that have remained and/or grown, are body hair and sense of humor.
 

The Less They Know...

the better.

Attraction is kinda mysterious. There can be elements of it that change as we grow older, a few that situationally deepen and intensify, others that switch off after becoming associated with a terrible experience, and some aspects of attractiveness that last a lifetime.
I have experienced all of these. The two most attractive aspects that have remained and/or grown, are body hair and sense of humor.
 

There’s an aesthetic - not mine - that I’m physically attracted to, but it has to tie in to a sense of humor and intellect that syncs well with mine 

Take a few days to really understand your body's natural elimination rhythm. Most folks eating a healthy diet with enough fiber avg less than 24 hrs for food to translate into a movement. Once you understand your body's timing, you can adjust your intake to result in full elimination just prior to the time of day you like to be ready to play. It's a homework assignment - there won't be a quiz, but being armed with this particular self-knowledge can pay off for years, reducing (or eliminating) the need for douching most of the time. 

Prices for the essentials of living will not be coming down in the foreseeable future. Fuel, and everything that relies on it (which is everything) will continue to provide profits for executives and shareholders. If that makes everyone's lives difficult, it's merely an inconvenience we'll have to live with. 

I see proof that the service, as we all understand it to be carried out, is worthy of a lot more pre-meet nuance than people today can muster while working, looking for work, or needing sex. 
SMH (this is why telephones and gay bars worked, kids)

I'm restocking my bird sanctuary:

For those like me, who need a little help with this one…..
 "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

well, good ol' youtube's algorithm suggested this to me.....no idea why, but part of the title ("amazing version") pulled me in......evidently produced about 1971 by New York's PBS station, channel 13 WNET, as part of a short-lived PBS show, "The Great American Dream Machine", according to a comment.....and, as always, those comments are fantastic.......
 
 

Sensual 
Sensual massage is a type of therapeutic massage that focuses on enhancing personal connection, emotional intimacy, and mutual comfort between partners. Unlike traditional massage therapies that aim solely at physical relief or relaxation, sensual massage incorporates elements that stimulate the senses and enhance the emotional and physical bond between individuals. This form of massage pays special attention to the body's erogenous zones, but it is conducted with respect, understanding, and consent from all parties involved.
The primary goal of sensual massage is to create a deep, intimate experience that relaxes the body, calms the mind, and uplifts the spirit. It involves slow, deliberate strokes and gentle, teasing touches that awaken the body's sensory receptors. Aromatherapy, soft lighting, and soothing music often accompany the session to create a serene and inviting atmosphere, further enhancing the sensory experience.
Sensual massage encourages partners to explore and express their affection through touch, facilitating a stronger emotional connection and fostering a deeper sense of closeness. It's a journey of exploration, allowing individuals to discover new aspects of their relationship and build trust in a safe and nurturing environment.
While sensual massage can be deeply fulfilling, it's essential to approach it with mutual respect, clear communication, and boundaries that honor both partners' comfort levels and preferences.

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I only share information about my (most interesting) past lives. 

I'm obsessed with this little black comedy, for more than 40 years. As the Countess von Ornstein, Lansbury carries it, obviously. It is on YT, sometimes in segments numbered by sequence. There has been no remastering, so it still looks and sounds like a 1970 indy film. 
A few years ago, at the memorial for a mutual close friend with whom she had worked on Broadway, I met Jane Carr. She gives an epic performance as the Countess's bookish daughter in the film, and I mentioned how I'd always wanted to tell her in person how much I loved her work in it, and she said, "Oh, you're one of those..." 🤣  It's been relegated to cult status, I guess.  The outrageous plot twists and key performances in it make Something For Everyone live up to its promise.
It should be noted that Harold Prince was a brilliant stage director, and this was one of his two films that proved his eye for the stage far exceeded the one used for the camera. Nevertheless, it's really smart and entertaining. And Lansbury is perfection. 
 

Take a few days to really understand your body's natural elimination rhythm. Most folks eating a healthy diet with enough fiber avg less than 24 hrs for food to translate into a movement. Once you understand your body's timing, you can adjust your intake to result in full elimination just prior to the time of day you like to be ready to play. It's a homework assignment - there won't be a quiz, but being armed with this particular self-knowledge can pay off for years, reducing (or eliminating) the need for douching most of the time. 

Take a few days to really understand your body's natural elimination rhythm. Most folks eating a healthy diet with enough fiber avg less than 24 hrs for food to translate into a movement. Once you understand your body's timing, you can adjust your intake to result in full elimination just prior to the time of day you like to be ready to play. It's a homework assignment - there won't be a quiz, but being armed with this particular self-knowledge can pay off for years, reducing (or eliminating) the need for douching most of the time. 

Take a few days to really understand your body's natural elimination rhythm. Most folks eating a healthy diet with enough fiber avg less than 24 hrs for food to translate into a movement. Once you understand your body's timing, you can adjust your intake to result in full elimination just prior to the time of day you like to be ready to play. It's a homework assignment - there won't be a quiz, but being armed with this particular self-knowledge can pay off for years, reducing (or eliminating) the need for douching most of the time.