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Hugh Jackman escorts? What's his rate?

Jarrod definitely has that right, but is exercising that right here, in a forum that's largely made up of clients who hire escorts, wise?

The sad thing is that if the guy finds out that people know the fake photo he's using, it's easy enough for him to steal someone else's photo. Similar with a phone number -- easy enough for a scammer to simply get a new phone number when he realizes the one he's currently using has been identified as belonging to a scammer. That's why I hold these two things to be true: 1. Caveat emptor. Ultimately, we as clients are responsible for verifying the legitimacy of the providers we contact. This is especially true since in most locations where clients live, sex work is not legal. If you hire some other business professional and they cannot or do not perform the work paid for, at least you have some avenues of recourse. With escorts you just have to chalk up your loss/bad experience as an unfortunate thing from which you hopefully learned something to avoid having it repeated. 2. Rentmen really should at least verify that the photos used in ads match the identify of the person paying for the ad. At least that would cut down on some of the thievery. But, again, it's clear that Rentmen will only act after someone else brings to their attention that the ad is fraudulent. By that point it's too late for the clients who have already been scammed or, worse, assaulted.

I don't see how using CashApp can cause someone to be able to drain your linked bank account, unless you are very sloppy with your account credentials. I'm not saying this because I'm fond of payment apps (I prefer to pay in cash for escorts or masseurs), but based on what I've read it doesn't sound like someone receiving money from you on an app automatically has the ability to take other money.

A couple of times I arranged a meeting through a manager/scheduler, unbeknownst to me. In both cases I discovered this after showing up for the appointments, and the guys explained that because English was their second language they preferred having someone else schedule their appointments.

Someone saying they are available the rest of the day doesn't mean you shouldn't try to set a specific time (more or less) with them. It sounds like you were driving some distance to get to the guy, so I get that it might have been difficult to give a precise time. Based on the screen shots, though, it sounds like the client anticipated you being there much earlier and your interpretation was that it didn't matter if you arrive within an hour or several hours later. Maybe some clients would be okay with that, but I expect that a lot of guys would be irritated sitting around waiting. The wording of "I have a couple of things to do first" doesn't even say much. Does that mean I have to wash my dishes and take my dog out to pee, or I am in the middle of painting my house and then have to do my grocery shopping for the week? Again, I expect that a lot of guys would assume that someone who has "a couple of things to do first" means a few easily accomplished tasks, not something that's going to take a long time. All of this could be avoided by you actually scheduling an appointment. Sorry if the above has already been addressed by someone else. I haven't read all of the back-and-forth in this thread yet.

Sean Ford has gone from twink to twunk. Still looking very sexy. I'm puzzled why this is in the Deli. So far I haven't seen any indication that he escorts, so wouldn't it make more sense to discuss Sean's attractiveness in the area devoted to porn?

Yes, the links provided above do not work. But the guy is probably already back on Rentmen under another name using fake pictures. It really is too bad that Rentmen dominates the market since they seem to care only about money, with no concern about how frequently their site is used by scammers.

And yet here we are in a thread that was started precisely because Homeland Security and Dallas/Ft Worth police set up a sting to trap straight men who attempted to hire escorts. Am I saying it's likely that the same thing will happen in either Dallas or elsewhere regarding gay men? No. But I don't think it's beyond reason to think that it could. Rentmen being based in the Netherlands has nothing to do with it. All that means is that the Feds cannot attempt to take down Rentmen because they have no jurisdiction. It doesn't mean that they cannot use Rentmen to try to arrest citizens of the US who are using that website. While I'm not suggesting that everyone should just stop using Rentmen out of fear that they could be trapped by law enforcement, I do like someone's earlier post about sticking to providers with a good reputation.

I still don't understand why you think it would be difficult to put up a fake sting ad on Rentmen. Pre-internet the police used actual human beings (i.e., female cops posting as sex workers) as lures to arrest johns. You don't think there would be cops willing to have their face posted in an ad for a short time as part of a sex sting? Or, for that matter, the police couldn't just get some stock photos? The rest of the process is easy because, as I wrote earlier, despite Rentmen acting like they verify ads they really don't verify that the person running an ad is the person whose photo is displayed in the ad.

I'm way more confused by your reactions in this story. From your account, this mega hottie keeps giving you evidence that he's into you but instead you doubt him at first, then give him money as he's leaving even though he says he isn't expecting it, and then let two weeks go by before he leaves town without texting him even though he said "that was great, I had a blast, text me sometime." I understand the initial skepticism on your part, but I 100% don't understand why you wouldn't have gotten together with him over the next two weeks. Or did you reach out to him to ask to get together again and that didn't happen, but you just didn't include that detail in your story?

I have noticed the trend you mentioned, but it is not an absolute. There are many guys in my area with full frontal nudes that show both face and dick that are not private pictures, and I'm not logged into Rentmen because I don't even have an account.

I don't understand why anyone would think it would be too costly or difficult for a sting to happen via Rentmen. We all know Rentmen doesn't really verify ads; just look at the number of posts made here where people point out that the guy pictured in the ad is not the person providing the service or, even worse, just easily obtainable photos of a good looking guy used to take money from men with no intention of providing any service at all. I certainly believe that Homeland Security could run fake Rentmen ads to ensnare gay male clients if they decided to do so.

I'd prefer to go to a Korean BBQ/Hot Pot restaurant, where you order what you want from a tablet and it's an "all you can eat" for 90 minutes sort of deal. That way you can get variety and, if you are at a good restaurant, get better quality meats & veggies (not to mention the broth) than you'd find at Red Lobster.

Airbnb in good in theory, but there were a lot of abuses: 1. People removing long-term rental housing from the market by converting apartments into makeshift hotel rooms. 2. Increased traffic in apartment buildings with no doorman or other security other than locks on the doors results in increased threats to residents. 3. Depending on the sensibleness of the "host," they may create a nuisance such that the other neighbors in the building no longer have "quiet enjoyment" of their residents. That's what happened to me. My upstairs neighbors turned their small 1-bedroom apartment into a flop house where 4-6 people stayed at a time, mostly younger people visiting the city to "party." This meant that in the early evening it was always incredibly noisy in my apartment, and then around the time the bars closed I would be awakened and there would be noise for a couple of additional hours. I kid you not that I probably only got 3 hours of sleep per night during that period until they were evicted (which happened because I did some investigative work and outed them to the landlord). Speaking of which -- it takes some nerve to take someone else's investment property and turn it into your own without consent of the property owner. They were basically greedy in the extreme and did not care that their actions were causing problems for anyone else because they were probably making $2,000 per month over their rent by renting it out on a nightly basis. I have stayed in some Airbnbs, but I am not an unreasonable guest like the ones I had most of the time in the unit above mine. I don't have people over who aren't on the rental agreement. I abide by the host's rules (don't exceed the maximum number of guests). I don't make a lot of noise at any time of day, but particularly early morning or in the middle of the night.

While it never felt great to show up at a provider's place and find someone else there (roommate/boyfriend or, in a couple of cases, the client before me on the way out!), that was never a big concern of mine as long as the room we were in was private. I think if someone has to stop the session at mid-point due to some physical issue he should discount the session. I wouldn't be inclined to give the guy a second chance if he didn't realize that his inability to complete the booking as scheduled warranted some reduction of fee.

The question is whether you can get what/who you want for free.

I know a lot of escorts visit San Francisco around the time of Folsom Street Fair, but that makes sense because it is a sexually oriented event and presumably there are both locals and many out of town visitors who are looking to hire as part of their fun that weekend. I agree that it wouldn't make sense to try to chase some other type of event for the reasons you list.

I am seldom even logged in when I view Rentmasseur, and I don't have a Rentmen account, so providers won't know that I've looked at their ad once or 1,000 times. When I did used to log into Rentmasseur before browsing (or when I used Adam4Adam and kept my visits traceable), I didn't mind when a provider sent a simple message after I viewed their ad. Sometimes it would remind me that I looked at him and it would result in me making an appointment, but most of the time I had already decided I wasn't motivated to meet them for whatever reason. So I guess I would say that it doesn't bother me to get one such message but only one, and in my case at least the return on the time investment isn't likely to be worth the effort.

Only a couple of people in my life know that I hire. One of them also hires but has different tastes in men than I do. The other one usually recommends guys he knows personally whom he wants to help, and even after I tell him they aren't my type he'll still bring them up to me when we get together. I find that annoying; it's the equivalent of junk mail or spam email except it's in person. How many times do I have to say that I don't find someone appealing before I'm heard?

It really does depend on where you live. One would think that being in the middle of San Francisco would give good results with an inside antenna, but a lot of channels do not come in well (picture and audio cuts in and out) due to multipath interference. This was true when TV signals were analog. Center of the city -- horrible interference. Up on Nob Hill, even though it was only a mile or two away, yielded much better reception.

There is one big problem with your question: You are assuming facts not in evidence. Just because someone doesn't have an obvious online presence as an escort doesn't mean he hasn't at least occasionally done sex work. I've posted about my college age escort from two decades ago a number of times here, but to repeat: He only ever occasionally posted on Craigslist. He took his ads down as soon as he found clients. He only used one face photo, and it was small and low enough resolution that there is no way anyone could have used it to definitively identify him. After he got as many regulars as he wanted, he never advertised again. He was never on any site like Rentboy, Rentmen or Rentmasseur. He was never reviewed on Hooboy's site or Daddy's site; I asked if he wanted me to write a review for him to help with his business and he said he didn't want any permanent record of his sex work. So he did sex work for at least a couple of years (the time I hired him) and had at least one regular client, but for all intents and purposes almost no one knew he was doing sex work. I'm writing all of this to say that I believe such men surely exist today -- the problem for prospective clients is where/how to find them. Now, broadly speaking, I get the point that there are many, many handsome young men who could be successful in sex work because they are so attractive, but as others have written there are a variety of reasons why someone would choose not to do this line of work and also many reasons why someone who's attractive might try it and then realize that it isn't for them.

That's one of the big problems with providers misrepresenting themselves. I will likely not cancel a session in the moment unless the misrepresentation is huge (I have had to walk away upon guys opening their doors when I was expecting a 30ish jock and instead an overweight 50ish guy presents himself), but won't repeat with a guy when my initial reaction is one of disappointment that he doesn't match his description/photos. Kudos to Simon and other escorts who understand that meeting clients' expectations and then providing a good experience is a far better way to run a business than to try to manipulate the market with false advertising. I don't think I ever had a second appointment with someone who wasn't what I expected when we first met.

Maybe I just have different vision. While I find him (and have always found him) very handsome, in no way do I think his face looks like a man in his forties. If he were going to shave his age, I'd say early to mid 50s would be reasonable.

I'd rather have silence during a session that a streaming service that interjects ad. Seriously, the guy cannot afford to pay for a streaming service so he can eliminate ads (or he doesn't have another way to play his own music -- mp3 player, cd player, etc)?