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True, I have no interest in him. I was just attempting to make a funny post since I have never seen the word "proving" used this way.

I don't know because I'm not that wealthy, but if I understand your argument there should be premiere websites and agencies accessible to everyone who wants to hire, but then they should also offer access to the "best providers" or "celebs" that "are out of normal reach." I'd suggest that there probably are networks available to the very wealthy who hire, and they are specifically not available to most people because they are catering to the top 1% of wealth holders. If you are in that tier and haven't made such a connection, network with the other gay 1%ers to see what they recommend. If you're not in that tier of wealth, you're certainly welcome to make your own website (or hire someone to make it to your specifications) if you don't like Rent.men. Personally I am less bothered by Rent.men's functionality than I am with the ability for obvious scammers to put up ads over and over.

What is he proving?

I get it, but there are hundreds of thousands (or more, probably) of photos and videos online that can serve as jerk off material. Is the provider really so petty as to not want to allow someone to jerk off looking at his photos? It just seems so silly to me. since it isn't like the blocking will result in the person hiring them instead of looking at their photos. If anything, it makes an eventual booking much less likely. Maybe if the client rubs one out looking at a provider's photos he'll eventually decide he just has to meet the guy behind the photos.

Yes, the word "star" gets used a lot. Performing in porn doesn't automatically make one a star, but it seems like most people use "porn star" to refer to anyone who appears in porn. I prefer the term "porn performer." Then again, where to draw the line in terms of what makes a star is tricky. I read a comment on a different site recently where someone said she'd never heard of Jason Mraz until his coming out made news, and my initial reaction was to think it's ridiculous that someone who has sold millions of records would be perceived as a "nobody." But then I realized that if someone either didn't pay attention to pop music at all or pop music of a certain era, it's quite possible the "stars" of that era would be unknown. So I can see Mr. Cunningham being a "track star" to those who closely follow the sport but to the rest of us it's "who's that?"

I've read here that some providers will block people who view their photos a lot without reaching out to them to book. I'm not sure why that would bother a provider since I don't think their ad rate is dependent on how many times its viewed, but it seems to rub some guys the wrong way.

More context is needed to know what I think about the initial post. Some providers are into (and clearly advertise) a sort of sexual-spiritual experience, so I wouldn't be surprised if a provider like that brought up spirituality. I know the OP says "religion," but I also know that some people just use that word to describe anything related to spirituality. I would find it very weird to be with an escort or masseur and suddenly have them proselytizing. If it's December and they casually bring up Christmas plans, I'm not going to freak out just because I'm not Christian. I'd feel the same with respect to any other faith. I did have a massage with someone once who clearly was into "eastern spirituality" based on the music he played, the incense burning, some of the rituals he performed, and some of what he said. Even though I found it all a bit hokey, I just let him do his thing and in the end I did enjoy the massage. Life doesn't always need to involve challenging someone whose beliefs are different, though I agree that the best way of handling a situation like the one described in the first post is simply to say, "I'd rather not discuss religion at this time," and then only leave if the provider continued talking about it. I think the only situation in which I would just leave without an attempt to redirect would involve someone bringing up religion in a denigrating way. (I'm thinking of the possibility of a gay-for-pay guy unloading his shame on his clients, for example.)

Not sure what happened here, but I cannot even read the text in the OP in dark mode. Usually when that happens I can highlight the block of text to read it, but in this case that still doesn't make it readable. If I turn off dark mode, I can read it.

Five. My then boyfriend and I were visiting a friend out of town and he invited another couple to join us for lunch. We all ended up back at his apartment for a little fun. That was the only time I was with more than two other guys at once. I actually don't like group sex very much. I don't even like watching it. Threeways can be fun if the chemistry is right (everyone is into each other) and if everyone is sexually compatible (not everyone wants to be in the same role), but I have always preferred one on one.

Interesting that this guy's Rentmen ad has only one photo and he's completely clothed, whereas the Rentmasseur has two photos of him without a shirt on. His Rentmen ad also indicates that he's straight and has a piercing (which isn't visible in the Rentmasseur ad, but maybe he has a guiche or some other genital piercing. Or maybe these ads are pure BS.

I don't even know what most of that means. Why is the word "spa" used so liberally? What's a "fancy" body massage versus any other body massage. What's "private area care?" Anyone who promises to pay this guy what he's asking for services that sound like a basic light rub with scented oils has too much money to burn.

Life is too short to get drawn into such drama with someone one hasn't even met. Tell your "friend" to move on.

I don't know whether any younger men are into the hanky code, or if locations with fewer gay men are into it, but I still see some guys wearing a colored hanky in a back pocket on occasion. I was actually recently in one of the sex shops in the Castro and they had various colored hankies and a guide as to the meaning of various colors in right versus left pocket.

I can understand trying a different contact method if you reach out to someone and don't get a reply, but I assume that flaking on two appointments means that contact was established and plans were made -- it's just that Zoro didn't show up to either appointment. Why would initiating contact a third time in a different manner be any more likely to result in an escort showing up? I personally wouldn't give anyone even a second chance if they flaked on me once. Canceling an appointment in advance -- yes. But just not showing up? Barring being in a coma or something, it just isn't excusable for me. Worst is when they don't show up and don't even have the decency to reply to messages asking what's going on. Even if it's a couple of hours later, a contrite reply might cause me to reconsider them for a future appointment; ghosting me just puts them on the time-waster list.

He has a promotion for a free day right now, so I subscribed. I didn't scroll back through his entire feed, but everything I saw was just a quick video with an instruction to "check your inbox" aka pay me more and you can see the full video. That isn't worth it to me, and I'm not interested in coordinating my schedule with someone who goes live a few nights per week. Just goes to show you that different people have a different sense of what's "worth it." To me, I want to see full length videos posted on their page without me having to pay extra, at a minimum of two new full length videos per month but hopefully more.

There is a huge difference between an adult male renting a room and then having more male guests than one would normally expect and an adult male renting a room with a female companion (who may or may not give obvious signs of being exploited) and then that room being visited by more male guests than one would expect. In fact, I'd argue there really isn't any comparison other than that both rooms have a lot of men going to them.

This. It might be viewed as callous and capitalism certainly has its callous aspects, but most places I worked at had either no official bereavement leave policy or had 2-3 days, depending on the closeness of relationship of the deceased and employee. Even then, I was surprised to learn that when my father died there was actually no separate pot of paid time off for bereavement; it just came out of my vacation accrual. Bereavement leave simply meant that the supervisor couldn't deny the time off request since it was precipitated by a death. I'm just posting this to say that corporate America thinks you should be back to work in just a few days, so I don't think that anyone should feel they need to avoid contacting a service provider for a long period of time because he had a personal tragedy. He honestly might not have the luxury of not working for a month (a lot of people don't have savings that allow taking off that much time), so I'd say that approaching him after a week (more or less) is okay, particuarly if you do so in a sympathetic way -- something along the lines of, "I'm sorry to learn of the loss of your son. I'm interested in hiring you for a massage whenever you feel ready to return to work."

Are you trying to read reviews on Rent.men or Rentmen.eu? I cannot get it to work on Rent.men but the VPN site does work on Rentmen.eu using Chrome. (I haven't tried Firefox in a while, but I couldn't get the work-around to work using Firefox when I first tried it years ago.)

In all of my decades of hiring in San Francisco, I think this type of escort with a bodybuilder has either not existed or extremely rare. The reason I asked for clarification as to what constitutes a bodybuilder is that I can recall an exchange on Hooboy decades ago where I linked an ad as a bodybuilder and I was promptly shot down by a lot of forum members who told me that a bodybuilder isn't just someone muscular but someone who has an even larger build and lower body fat.

Yes, but it also sounds like he was gone for a while the first time so why would he think he could find something the second time at an even later hour?

Well, that certainly changes things. I would certainly question why someone needs something to eat only a couple of hours after you met and then says he needs to go out again a couple of hours later. Maybe a sign of a drug problem he wanted to hide from you, or maybe he was seeing other clients for short appointments during your time together? Even if he was just looking for food because he lifts a lot and likes to eat frequently, he should have brought some protein bars or a shake or something instead of leaving you to look for food repeatedly.

If you had a 14 hour appointment, it sounds like it began at 7pm since he left at 9am the next day. If that's the case, then you should have arranged to have a meal at either the beginning of your appointment or, if you were worried about one or both of you being clean enough for anal sexy, had sex right away (or maybe after one drink) and then gone out to eat. In my experience an overnight appointment that truly is an extended appointment (not just hooking up from midnight to 6am or something) should include at least the evening meal if not breakfast. So, if you did anything "wrong" other than starting out with an overnight instead of just an hour or two appointment, it's that you didn't factor in the need for the guy to eat dinner and instead spent hours drinking alcohol with him. (I assume you were drinking for hours since you said he went out to get something to eat and came back at midnight, so unless he was absent for a long time then you probably were hanging out drinking and chatting for quite a while.) I don't really get a sense that the escort did anything wrong other than maybe not guiding you into a more explicit conversation about how your appointment would be structured. Since he knew you were new to this and he's apparently experienced, he should have raised some of these issues in advance (including the time in the morning he anticipated leaving) so you could have structured the time in a way that met more of your needs. Therefore, I definitely don't think it would be appropriate for you to contact him to complain about his behavior other than maybe you wish he had helped you figure out some structure in advance. It's more of a live and learn circumstance. I'm interested in alternate perspectives. Maybe some believe that the escort should have taken more control in the moment, guiding you to eating dinner instead of drinking when more dining establishments were open, and then initiated play in the morning early enough that you could enjoy it without feeling like the clock was ticking. Maybe some will call into question the escort leaving to try to find food not once but twice (which does seem a bit odd to me). Maybe some will even argue that the escort knew exactly what he was doing -- getting you to pay his fee in exchange for mostly time spent drinking and sleeping -- but for all we knew the escort actually believed that allowing you to set the pace was the best thing for you. Assuming you decide to schedule another overnight at some point with him or anyone else, I suggest having more communication in advance to see if you are both on the same page as to what's going to happen during your time together.

Just to be clear: You don't believe anyone should be held pretrial?

I assume I am the poster who is being accused of conflating two different cases. My point in bringing up the other man's case wasn't to equate it to Wolf's. It was in response to others claiming that they knew what the disposition of Wolf's case would be. Sometimes the eventual conviction and punishment is far less than one might assume based on the initial charges and evidence.

Yes, that's the difficulty here. Unless one wants to believe some sort of conspiracy (the evidence was planted, someone else was using his account to trade the videos), then regardless of the fact that he hasn't faced trial yet he's guilty in my eyes. It's like if someone gets caught in the act of some other crime: They are still entitled to their day in court, and maybe through some legal wrangling they will end up being convicted of a charge that's less severe than the crime they actually did. In the case of Wolf, it's just hard to conjure up any sympathy for someone trading videos of prepubescent kids getting raped, especially when some of his previous behaviors made him out to be a not very likeable guy already.