Gilfson Posted July 6 Posted July 6 53 minutes ago, Ali Gator said: Exactly my point. And once again, I'll reiterate - we, the consumers, have allowed this to happen over the past 40 years. We have allowed them to monopolize, we have allowed them to mistreat and take advantage of us, and most importantly - we have normalized this 'customer service' behavior. Now we suffer the consequences. Can I ask genuinely what you guys are referring to when you claim we have a monopoly over the industry? The industry being our time and bodies why should we not have autonomy and full control over those things? I understand being frustrated over poor service providers but you sound jaded. And also at the end of day this is an illegal business it’s not held to the same standard as papa John’s. You’re gonna get bad eggs just like we get bad clients. But genuinely curiosity as to what ya’ll mean when referring to us having a monopoly on the industry. Keenan, Ali Gator, pubic_assistance and 2 others 2 2 1
mike carey Posted July 6 Posted July 6 18 minutes ago, Gilfson said: Can I ask genuinely what you guys are referring to when you claim we have a monopoly over the industry? The industry being our time and bodies why should we not have autonomy and full control over those things? I understand being frustrated over poor service providers but you sound jaded. And also at the end of day this is an illegal business it’s not held to the same standard as papa John’s. You’re gonna get bad eggs just like we get bad clients. But genuinely curiosity as to what ya’ll mean when referring to us having a monopoly on the industry. I think @Ali Gator was making a more general case, talking about bigger businesses and corporations that are monopolies or can otherwise ignore customer opinions about their service rather than sole traders (like escorts) who are in competition for theirs. Something of a digression from the subject of the thread. For those bigger businesses, and even for small businesses with at local monopoly, that people see as essential, it's not too difficult to succeed while treating customers with relative contempt. Escorts, as a discretionary service, don't have that freedom to ignore what customers want, but they are also able to set limits to what they will do. 'The customer is always right' has always had the 'T&C apply' caveat. We should perhaps set aside further discussion of customer relations unless the point being made can be linked to this line of business. Gilfson, pubic_assistance and Ali Gator 2 1
Ali Gator Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Just now, mike carey said: I think @Ali Gator was making a more general case, talking about bigger businesses and corporations that are monopolies or can otherwise ignore customer opinions about their service rather than sole traders (like escorts) who are in competition for theirs. Something of a digression from the subject of the thread. For those bigger businesses, and even for small businesses with at local monopoly, that people see as essential, it's not too difficult to succeed while treating customers with relative contempt. Thank You. BrickBuilder 1
Rod Hagen Posted July 6 Posted July 6 In every scenario, clients can move on or not. Why is this thread 4 pages? mike carey, MikeBiDude, + Just Chuck and 5 others 3 5
Archangel Posted July 6 Posted July 6 1 hour ago, d.anders said: Beware of any personal attitude you may have about service professionals, especially the attitudes that can be perceived as negative. IME, service professionals can smell disrespect a mile away. So can I. Then again, although not an escort, I am a service professional. Hence why I know of what I speak. I guess because it’s illegal, escorting means it’s exempted from the same standard of client expectation as other service professionals. Escorting seems exempted from anything and everything until it’s not…It’s to respected as a professional enterprise but not expected to behave like a professional enterprise. ✅ I don’t appreciate having someone insult my intelligence by insisting the sky is green when we all know it’s blue. pubic_assistance, Ali Gator and Gilfson 1 1 1
Ali Gator Posted July 6 Posted July 6 1 hour ago, Rod Hagen said: In every scenario, clients can move on or not. Why is this thread 4 pages? It's called 'a discussion'. Archangel 1
+ purplekow Posted July 6 Posted July 6 (edited) 5 hours ago, d.anders said: Beware of any personal attitude you may have about service professionals, especially the attitudes that can be perceived as negative. IME, service professionals can smell disrespect a mile away. It's too much bad information, if your goal is to win someone over. It's a coarse way of speaking about oneself, and lacks zero charm. It's an easy turn-off. It says, "I'm ugly and pitiful, deal with it." It's a bad attempt at expressing self-effacing humor. I am not trying to win over an escort. I am making an inquiry and trying to see if he can provide a service to someone who is bald fat and over 60. This is not self deprecating, this is factual information. If it indeed leads an escort to think that I am "ugly and pitiful" then that is an escort I do not want to hire. I do not think of myself as ugly and certainly not pitiful, but apparently those words came to mind for you. You have exactly the mindset of the oeople I am hoping to eliminate, a perfect example of the kind of man I am not interested in hiring. Edited July 6 by purplekow Archangel, Monarchy79 and pubic_assistance 1 2
Archangel Posted July 6 Posted July 6 2 hours ago, Ali Gator said: It's called 'a discussion'. I’ve been surprised at the animosity some have here toward a discussion. We can go on for 58 pages with banality about cocks and asses or OF or IG, but let us talk 4 pages about actual escorting and at some point someone will feel compelled to interject in such a way that suggests the discussion is moot. You’ll see me do it too. My favorite way of highlighting something I’m not willing to invest in, tired of hearing about, and unable to contribute something relevant to is posting this gif. It makes me laugh out loud every time I see it. Ali Gator and pubic_assistance 1 1
marylander1940 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 On 7/3/2025 at 11:39 PM, pubic_assistance said: Is that true ? I can't be THAT much of an outlier. I understand that some people only use escorts services because they are so unattractive that nobody would fuck them for free...so being rejected by their last chance at getting laid would be humiliating and sad. But the guys who I seek are good looking enough that they can pick and choose the clients they want. So I dont mind the momentary gatekeeping if it gets me what I want. Yes, you're an outlier! believe me MOST client don't send pics at all! Let's ask some escorts how often they receive pics of potential clients @BenjaminNicholas Luv2play, Ali Gator, josh282282 and 1 other 2 1 1
Gilfson Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Just now, marylander1940 said: Yes, you're an outlier! believe me MOST client don't send pics at all! Let's ask some escorts how often they receive pics of potential clients @BenjaminNicholas I receive pics from about a 3rd of my clients usually don’t ask for them but if I ever do it’s just too see who I’m talking to. I never turn away a client based on their looks. mike carey, Luv2play and pubic_assistance 2 1
marylander1940 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Just now, Gilfson said: I receive pics from about a 3rd of my clients usually don’t ask for them but if I ever do it’s just too see who I’m talking to. I never turn away a client based on their looks. 1/3 is way more than my estimate based on what other escorts tell me. Maybe some folks on here are confusing RM with seeking arrangement success or other sites for sugar boys where a picture is required. Some clients don't even complete their profiles with stats and others simply "interpret" body type based on unrealistic descriptions. Does chubby have a new meaning now!? pubic_assistance and + Just Chuck 1 1
Gilfson Posted July 6 Posted July 6 4 minutes ago, marylander1940 said: 1/3 is way more than my estimate based on what other escorts tell me. Maybe some folks on here are confusing RM with seeking arrangement success or other sites for sugar boys where a picture is required. Some clients don't even complete their profiles with stats and others simply "interpret" body type based on unrealistic descriptions. Does chubby have a new meaning now!? I think for me it’s because I tend to talk with my clients for a while before meeting so we build a rapport and they realize I’m not a crazy person trying to ruin their life by having their face pic pubic_assistance and mike carey 1 1
marylander1940 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Just now, Gilfson said: I think for me it’s because I tend to talk with my clients for a while before meeting so we build a rapport and they realize I’m not a crazy person trying to ruin their life by having their face pic yes, you're not a potential scammer but there are some out there and how do they know you're reliable until they meet you. josh282282 1
jackcali Posted July 7 Posted July 7 I never send photos for reasons of discretion, but I certainly would like to know before I hire (and I totally understand that the provider wants to know) if I am too ugly for him to do his job satisfactorily or at all. If I were an extraordinarily ugly 60-something fat guy (I'm not bald, yay!), I might be moved to send a pic, but being only ordinarily ugly I feel my stats give a good enough impression of what the escort will see. That being said, some escorts can't hide their lack of attraction and I never repeat with them or recommend them to others. Archangel, pubic_assistance and marylander1940 1 2
Archangel Posted July 7 Posted July 7 I like the expression “ordinarily ugly!” 🤣 pubic_assistance and marylander1940 2
Keenan Posted July 7 Posted July 7 22 hours ago, Gilfson said: The industry being our time and bodies why should we not have autonomy and full control over those things? Thank you for saying this. Too many times I have a client say they feel they are entitled to "this or that" just because they paid. Paying doesn't give you full control of my body, it gives you the time to spend with me and whatever we agree upon during that time. Gilfson, Trevor and pubic_assistance 1 2
d.anders Posted July 7 Posted July 7 16 hours ago, purplekow said: I am not trying to win over an escort. I am making an inquiry and trying to see if he can provide a service to someone who is bald fat and over 60. This is not self deprecating, this is factual information. If it indeed leads an escort to think that I am "ugly and pitiful" then that is an escort I do not want to hire. I do not think of myself as ugly and certainly not pitiful, but apparently those words came to mind for you. You have exactly the mindset of the oeople I am hoping to eliminate, a perfect example of the kind of man I am not interested in hiring. Sorry you took my post so personally. I did not intend that. I was commenting on the words chosen for the self-description, not how I personally feel about being bald and senior age. I can't get into the mind of every younger person, but I have little faith that "bald fat and over 60" is a good sales pitch. + KensingtonHomo 1
+ KensingtonHomo Posted July 7 Posted July 7 17 hours ago, purplekow said: I am not trying to win over an escort. I am making an inquiry and trying to see if he can provide a service to someone who is bald fat and over 60. This is not self deprecating, this is factual information. If it indeed leads an escort to think that I am "ugly and pitiful" then that is an escort I do not want to hire. I do not think of myself as ugly and certainly not pitiful, but apparently those words came to mind for you. You have exactly the mindset of the oeople I am hoping to eliminate, a perfect example of the kind of man I am not interested in hiring. I assume it's unintentional, but you have portrayed yourself as insecure about your appearance. "Fat", in particular, is a troubling description because it can mean anything from being "gay fat", e.g., not ripped and starving to chubby to morbidly obese. Similarly, there are a ton of hot bald guys running around our community. And being over 60 also doesn't suggest you're unattractive. Yet, your refusal to share a photo (which may reveal you have a handsome face, are just chubby, etc) suggests you believe that most escorts will find you unappealing. That's why you're getting these responses. marylander1940 1
mike carey Posted July 7 Posted July 7 'Insecure' is not the first word to come to mind. Sometimes allow people to say what they want without second guessing what they mean or their motives, perhaps? Or read other things they have written about themselves.
JMatt Posted July 7 Posted July 7 My response is, "Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't expecting that. Is it a dealbreaker for you? If so, then I'll move on."
+ purplekow Posted July 7 Posted July 7 7 hours ago, d.anders said: Sorry you took my post so personally. I did not intend that. I was commenting on the words chosen for the self-description, not how I personally feel about being bald and senior age. I can't get into the mind of every younger person, but I have little faith that "bald fat and over 60" is a good sales pitch. Once again you miss the point, I am not selling myself to him. I just want to give him some information so he can see if he wants to rent himself to me. If I sent a picture, it would be patently obvious that I am indeed bald fat and over 60. This was after all a thread about sending photos to providers. I do not, but it is not because I am concerned about what they will see. After all they are going to see that and much more if I hire them and they agree to be hired. mike carey and pubic_assistance 1 1
+ purplekow Posted July 7 Posted July 7 (edited) 7 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said: I assume it's unintentional, but you have portrayed yourself as insecure about your appearance. "Fat", in particular, is a troubling description because it can mean anything from being "gay fat", e.g., not ripped and starving to chubby to morbidly obese. Similarly, there are a ton of hot bald guys running around our community. And being over 60 also doesn't suggest you're unattractive. Yet, your refusal to share a photo (which may reveal you have a handsome face, are just chubby, etc) suggests you believe that most escorts will find you unappealing. That's why you're getting these responses. It seems you have mistaken being secure for being insecure. I am secure in my appearance as much as most of us are. I have known magnificently built men who worry about their appearance, checking ever muscle group for symmetry and looking to lose that last iota of fat, I know very handsome men who spend a very long time staring in the mirror looking for defects or trying to get their hair "perfect". "Does my ass look too big in these jeans." I am not afraid of the words fat, bad, old but I have very little patience for providers (and posters) who do. This is the information an escort would get from a photo and very little more. If those words scare them off, then we were not a match to start. If they want to know more, I give them contact information. As I wrote in another post, I am more than happy to supply details, just not photographic evidence. After we have been together, if they want a photo with me to remember the great time we had together or to fuel their masturbatory fantasies, I will take one. I might even sign it. To a great provider, you are as good as it gets. Satiatedly yours, PK. Edited July 7 by purplekow + nycman and Act25 1 1
d.anders Posted July 7 Posted July 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, purplekow said: Once again you miss the point, I am not selling myself to him. Really? It seems to me from the very start it's all a transaction, a negotiation, whether you wish to admit it or not. I think how you present, or sell, yourself matters. I did not miss your point. Edited July 7 by d.anders pubic_assistance 1
+ purplekow Posted July 7 Posted July 7 (edited) It seems you believe that one has to sell oneself to the provider. I have no interest in doing so. Either he wants to offer his services to me or he does not. He has full control over that. If he needs more information than I am willing to give, he may move on. If I do not like the particulars of his requests, I may move on. Perhaps if one is in an area where the provider supply is limited and the demand is high or if one has very specific needs and tastes, one needs to be a bit more flexible. I am not in such a predicament. There will be another bus along soon enough if, there is not a seat on the first one. Edited July 7 by purplekow italianboyph 1
+ KensingtonHomo Posted July 7 Posted July 7 1 hour ago, purplekow said: It seems you have mistaken being secure for being insecure. I am secure in my appearance as much as most of us are. I have known magnificently built men who worry about their appearance, checking ever muscle group for symmetry and looking to lose that last iota of fat, I know very handsome men who spend a very long time staring in the mirror looking for defects or trying to get their hair "perfect". What you're describing here is a combination of vanity and body dysmorphia. Most people have some physical insecurities, even if they're generally happy with their appearance. From my conversations with several providers, they seem to have very few issues with men who are bald, over 60, or overweight. Once you exclude guys cheating on their wives, that's their bread and butter. Faced with a hypothetical fat, bald man over 60, most guys in their 20s-30s will likely conjure someone completely unattractive rather than say Kevin James, who may be overweight and middle-aged, but has a handsome face. I agree with @d.anders that it's a negotiation and you might be foregoing a possible leg up.
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