being fined for a happy ending

[viewing ownly]

I'm seeing more often providers showing rates for various differences in services, and among them, a higher charge if a "release" on us is done. This isn't merely a difference between a therapeutic and sensual massage - I'm never going to be one of those guys, but I'm well aware that plenty of men want a sensual environment without sensual touch down there.

While I'd much prefer the providers spelling out ahead of time their price points instead of doing the outrageous and springing it on horny clients in the moment, I don't see why having my cock pleasured by one's hand deems a penalty fee. I'm totally understanding that clients with large snakes for cocks probably don't need to donate for a jerk session due to the desires of the provider, if both are interested. 

Thankfully while erotic is prohibited in rent masseur's listings, providers can indicate in their profile that they provide that offering, and that's what I tend to book - so long as I don't have to be gouged to climax. 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

Where are you seeing this? I've had one or two people providers spring an additional charge or oral but a handy during sensual seems pretty standard. 

[viewing ownly]

Most recently I saw this from MassagesByMac in Atlanta. He has his own personal website. I didn't find him on the typical masseur websites. He was only mentioned a long time ago in a closed thread once.

[+ PhileasFogg]

I’m not sure I’d call it a “penalty” - but I do imagine much of the response relates to how much the base massage is.  

[Nightowl]

At the end of my first-ever sensual massage, I was surprised—naively—when the provider started stroking my dick. Ever-cooperative, I didn’t stop him.  I would have been pissed if he had upcharged me for the service since my brain didn’t ask for it even though my dick expressed considerable interest.

[SirBillybob]

“This is what I pay, full stop. How happy I end up may vary. All physiological releases are as normative as the nongenital musculoskeletal benefits of body message. If I squeal too loudly for the neighbours we can chalk it up to primal therapy.” [Ball in play]

”I capitulate to paying more because that is the convention established by other payers in which degrees of happiness are ranked according to degrees of payment. Ejaculate is yucky, an imposition on you, and should cum at a premium. That is the prevailing narrative, the unalterable contract established by my peers, one I grudgingly accept as compensation for unpleasantness and loud noises.” [Own goal]

In other words, it takes a unified village and that’s not going to happen. 

Edited June 27 by SirBillybob

[maninsoma]

I think categorizing this as a "penalty" or "fine" is inaccurate.  I haven't noticed this type of pricing, but haven't there always been some guys who try to do an "a la carte" type of pricing and they get skewered here?  

[pubic_assistance]

On 6/21/2025 at 10:43 AM, viewing ownly said:

erotic is prohibited in rent masseur's listings, providers can indicate in their profile that they provide that offering, and that's what I tend to book - so long as I don't have to be gouged to climax. 

Part of the confusion lies in THIS fact:

The category of "erotic" massage has been eliminated. It was commonly understood by most clients, that an  "erotic" session INCLUDED a happy-ending hand job. (Most of the time).

The move toward "sensual" being the only other category is that "sensual "does NOT guarantee a happy ending. (Not that "erotic" was a 100% guarantee either).

Since providers DID typically charge more for erotic over sensual, what happens now is that when you book a sensual session, you pay for the sensual  lead up, but the a la carte hand job becomes a separate charge. Different providers approach this in different ways.  Some will tell you there's a menu BEFORE. Some will offer a menu IN THE MIDDLE and others will bring dessert to the table without asking. THAT is typically understood as a treat offered in exchange for a generous tip. 

There have been numerous massage providers over the years, who I hired, approached the happy ending as a treat and I tipped VERY generously. The next session always included additional treats, and many more ended up with full blown sexual services that were never discussed as a menu item. Just accepted my generosity. But one need to be sensitive to what generous means.

[Nightowl]

25 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Part of the confusion lies in THIS fact:

The category of "erotic" massage has been eliminated. It was commonly understood by most clients, that an  "erotic" session INCLUDED a happy-ending hand job. (Most of the time).

The move toward "sensual" being the only other category is that "sensual "does NOT guarantee a happy ending. (Not that "erotic" was a 100% guarantee either).

Since providers DID typically charge more for erotic over sensual, what happens now is that when you book a sensual session, you pay for the sensual  lead up, but the a la carte hand job becomes a separate charge. Different providers approach this in different ways.  Some will tell you there's a menu BEFORE. Some will offer a menu IN THE MIDDLE and others will bring dessert to the table without asking. THAT is typically understood as a treat offered in exchange for a generous tip. 

There have been numerous massage providers over the years, who I hired, approached the happy ending as a treat and I tipped VERY generously. The next session always included additional treats, and many more ended up with full blown sexual services that were never discussed as a menu item. Just accepted my generosity. But one need to be sensitive to what generous means.

Generous tips are key.  Providers who are compensated nicely are more inclined to offer additional services on repeat visits.  Interesting that you mention menus; no one has ever offered one at any point in a session….

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, Nightowl said:

Interesting that you mention menus; no one has ever offered one at any point in a session

It's been frequently discussed here. I have rarely run into it myself. But I have even had actual menus with prices texted to me by providers. Handjob+50. Blowjob+100 Fuck +200 💰

[Nightowl]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

It's been frequently discussed here. I have rarely run into it myself. But I have even had actual menus with prices texted to me by providers. Handjob+50. Blowjob+100 Fuck +200 💰

Are fries extra?

[+ JamesB]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

I have even had actual menus with prices texted to me by providers. Handjob+50. Blowjob+100 Fuck +200 💰

 

[SirBillybob]

21 minutes ago, Nightowl said:

Are fries extra?

Better be an option of hand-cut, curly, and sweet potato. 

[SirBillybob]

6 minutes ago, JamesB said:

 

I would be employing a different finger pointed at such a menu composition. 

Edited June 27 by SirBillybob

[Redwine56]

52 minutes ago, Nightowl said:

Are fries extra?

Only if you want ketchup.  😂

[jeezifonly]

Well, the agreement is that clients are paying solely for their time, so it gives the discretionary authority to limit or expand the activities occurring for the hourly rate within the session solely to the provider. 
Want a guarantee of more? Book a provider from an escort site. (Even then, there is no guarantee. Nature of the business, isn’t it?)
 

[viewing ownly]

I doubt I'm in the minority with this take, but simply have a highest scale for ALL clients, and that ends the frustration. They aren't going to lose any business if their massage skills are up to par. Nobody likes ticky-tack nit-picky "add-on" charges for things. Just charge everybody for everything, and if people don't want it more than the basic clothed masseur with no dick touching, that's fine. If we end up fucking, that's fine. 

Just like a sandwich at a fast-food place. Whether I want just a plain patty and bun or want a boatload of toppings, we're paying the same price. 

[+ Jamie21]

Sensual or Erotic, what does it mean? It reminds me of what Humpty Dumpty said: “When I use a word… it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”

I recommend clients assume that masseurs use the Humpty approach when describing their massage. So they should check what is included for the price before booking. 

I describe my massage as ‘sensual’ which I say includes the client getting a happy ending. Sometimes more. 
 

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, viewing ownly said:

Just like a sandwich at a fast-food place

I hope the gentlemen you hire are not actually treated as such. 

NO. its NOT the same.

 

Edited June 27 by pubic_assistance
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[viewing ownly]

4 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

I hope the gentlemen you hire are not actually treated as such. 

NO. its NOT the same.

 

You're right in that SIZE of sandwich = length of time. The bigger / longer, the more expensive. I've never questioned donating more for additional time, but I am questioning price add-ons like climaxing that damper what is to be an enjoyable experience. 

I'll add I'm referring to the client ejaculating, not the provider. Those who bitch about that in their hires don't hold water - and I feel that way even hiring a straight-up escort. YOUR satisfaction is what is to be met in a meet-up, not expecting theirs. 

[pubic_assistance]

9 minutes ago, viewing ownly said:

I am questioning price add-ons like climaxing that damper what is to be an enjoyable experience. 

I would agree that escort prices are more commonly understood as one price including anything from their "list of toppings". 

But masseurs are not escorts and their base rate isnt necessarily going to be worth licking your balls while you jerk off in their face. So the a la carte menu brings more clarity to some providers' willingness to go beyond the standard business model of a rub & tug. 

[maninsoma]

A masseur having a different price for a therapeutic massage versus an erotic massage makes sense.  I even think that someone adjusting his rate depending on what the client requests makes sense.  The more the client's requests veer into escort territory, the more a masseur should charge.  That being said, I am put off my ads that get far too granular about this.  I don't want to see a $20 additional fee for underwear off versus on, and so on.  

As to sandwiches costing the same, this really isn't true once you get beyond certain condiments.  You typically will pay extra if you want avocado or bacon, for example, if they aren't already part of the sandwich you're ordering.

Ultimately this isn't a regulated business.  If a client doesn't like what the masseur has to offer at the rate requested, then he can look elsewhere.  If a client wants more than the masseur wants to provide, he can decline the appointment.  We all know that it isn't like every masseur (or even every escort) runs his business the same way.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

2 hours ago, maninsoma said:

The more the client's requests veer into escort territory, the more a masseur should charge.  That being said, I am put off my ads that get far too granular about this.  I don't want to see a $20 additional fee for underwear off versus on, and so on.  

I completely agree that granularity is a turn-off. I completely respect a provider's right to set their price and even have tiers. But But anything beyond sensual (nude includes HE), sensual with oral, and "full service" makes me feel like I'm negotiating. And that makes me move on. 

[+ JamesB]

I'm perfectly fine with upfront, menu style pricing, what I really dislike is the upselling during the session. That kind of approach is a major turn off for me.

[BrickBuilder]

11 minutes ago, JamesB said:

I'm perfectly fine with upfront, menu style pricing, what I really dislike is the upselling during the session. That kind of approach is a major turn off for me.

I recall a very early hire of mine...showed up with a briefcase and in it had a selection of magazines (think Jock or Advocate Men style) and VCR (those are what we watched before the DVD and Internet world) porn movies where he was on the cover....he would "sign them" for a small fee.  He also had single printed photos he would do the same.  He was very menu based with his pricing, everything had an add on fee.

Taught me early on to get an all inclusive fee.